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India lobbies hard for UNSC seat, hopes to end 18-year drought


India is lobbying hard for a non-permanent seat to the UN Security Council, when the Asia seat comes up for renewal at the end of next year, hoping to end a drought that would have lasted 18 years by the time elections are held in October 2010.

India’s main rival for the Asia seat is Kazakhstan, which has never won a seat to the Security Council. India has already been elected six times, the last time as long ago in 1991-92, when the world was a completely different place.

The last time India sat on the Council, the Soviet Union was still a country and the first US invasion of Iraq was a taste of things to come in the new world order. As a non-permanent member at the time, India had little choice but to go along with the Security Council resolution sanctioning the Iraq invasion.

The Security Council consists of five veto-wielding permanent members — US, Russia, China, UK and France — and 10 non-permanent members, not allowed a veto but elected for two-year terms, from regions like Asia, Africa, eastern Europe, Latin America and the Caribbean, and western Europe.

An Indian win against Kazakhstan is also aimed at wiping out the nightmare of 1996, when India fought a hugely unequal contest against Japan for the Asian seat and was trounced 142-40, in favour of Japan.

Japan, the second highest donor to the UN and currently on the Security Council again, holds the honour of representing Asia as many as 10 times.

The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), which had projected a huge victory for India in 1996, was stunned at the scale of its defeat. Today, more than 13 years later, with the campaign well underway for the last several months — and with a full year to go — it appears far more confident, but cautious.

Of the 192 voting countries in the UN General Assembly, Indian officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity said they had already got the support of “more than 100 countries.”

The hope exists that Kazakhstan will withdraw its candidature when faced with overwhelming support for India, but clearly, no one’s taking any chances. The upcoming UN General Assembly session will be used to lobby hard, underlining requests already made by Indian ambassadors worldwide, as well as by the prime minister and the external affairs minister to visiting dignitaries.

As many as three out of five permanent members, including Russia and France, are believed to have committed support to India.

Still, there remains a certain uncertainty over whether India should be expending its “political capital” over a non-permanent seat that has been variously described as a “toothless, anachronistic, archaic wonder,” left over from the Cold War era.

Perhaps, part of the reason to go ahead with the contest two years ago was the realisation that the expansion of the UN Security Council was still some years away, and that the Permanent Five were never going to dilute their own veto power by sharing it. Then when (now minister of state for external affairs) Shashi Tharoor lost the race to UN Secretary-General in 2006, Delhi’s dream of being at the helm of global affairs died quickly.

A large section of the political-security establishment believes that India shouldn’t even bother. This “realist” school, which seeks to further India’s national interest by cultivating friendships with big powers like the US, is dismissive about the “multi-lateral” school which seeks to make friends irrespective of the influence nations wield.

The BJP-led NDA governments (1998-2004), which took the decision to go nuclear in 1998, clearly believed in following a muscular approach to India’s foreign policy. But the Congress-led UPA alliances have followed suit, sewing up the Indo-US deal with alacrity in the face of pressure from the Left parties and the BJP.
 

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India discusses UNSC reforms with Brazil, S Africa

New York, Sept 22 (PTI) Foreign Minister S M Krishna here met with his counterparts from Brazil and South Africa to discuss the UN Security Council reforms.

The IBSA (India-Brazil-South Africa) meeting was hosted by Brazil on the sidelines of the 64th session of the UN General Assembly that kicks off today with a Climate Change Summit.

All three nations of the IBSA support the expansion of the UNSC. At the meeting, the ministers reiterated the urgent need for the expansion of the SC in both the permanent and non-permanent seats to increase the participation of developing countries.

Noting the progress of the inter-governmental negotiations on Security Council during the previous session of the General Assembly, the senior politicians stressed the need to reach concrete results in this 64th session
 

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Gadhafi against expansion of UNSC, inclusion of India, Pak

United Nations, Sep 24 (PTI) Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi has opposed the expansion of the UN Security Council by including countries like India which would spur a "competition" with nations like Pakistan wanting to get in.

In his maiden speech to the UN General Assembly, Gadhafi said that Security Council reform does not mean increasing the member states in the powerful body.

"It will just make things worse...," Gadhafi, who is also the president of the African Union, said.

Opening the doors of the UNSC for big powers would "add more poverty, more injustice, more tension at the world level", the maverick Libyan leader said.

"There would be high competition between Italy, Germany, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Philippines, Japan, Argentina, Brazil...," Gadhafi, attired in a long brown robe, said during his more than one-and-a-half-hour-long address
 

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Opening the doors of the UNSC for big powers would "add more poverty, more injustice, more tension at the world level", the maverick Libyan leader said.
And we can deny representation of the country with 15% of the world's population and go back to pretending everything is hunky-dory in the world so the 'big powers' can peacefully keep on policing at their pleasure.
 

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The Hindu : News / National : ‘Some countries’ hesitant to have India in UNSC: France

France on Thursday said some countries were hesitant to have India in a reformed United Nations Security Council (UNSC) as a permanent member.

It, however, refused to name any country working against Indian permanent membership in UNSC.

“Several countries feel India, being an Asian power, should find a place in UNSC. It has not happened yet because certain countries have hesitation and constraints,” French Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence Vice-President Jean-Pierre Chevenement told reporters here.

Mr. Chevenement, however, said the hesitation and constraints could be removed.

Asked to name the countries hesitant to have India in the UNSC, he said “none in Europe.”

Citing the Nuclear Suppliers Group and International Atomic Energy Agency nod to India-specific waiver to do civil nuclear business and India’s civil nuclear agreements with France and U.S., he said France, Great Britain and China had no problem with it.

“These are indications that these countries are not against India becoming a permanent member of the UNSC,” he said.

“You cannot expect France to change the world,” Mr. Chevenement said to a query if Paris was making efforts to remove the hesitation.
 

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friend,if you read my earlier post you would underastand.i said it is a matter of debate in india.no more no less.what is it got to do with claim.intention or fantasy?
I did a little research. It is a myth. The PRC took the UNSC seat and veto away from Taiwan. See China and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Republic of China (ROC) was one of the founding members of the United Nations and a permanent member of the Security Council from its creation in 1945. In 1949, the Communist Party of China seized power in mainland China and declared the People's Republic of China (PRC), claiming to have replaced the ROC as the sole legitimate government of China and the ROC government withdrew to Taiwan."

The rest of the article explains the circumstances under which the PRC replaced Taiwan in the UNSC.
 

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I did a little research. It is a myth. The PRC took the UNSC seat and veto away from Taiwan. See China and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Republic of China (ROC) was one of the founding members of the United Nations and a permanent member of the Security Council from its creation in 1945. In 1949, the Communist Party of China seized power in mainland China and declared the People's Republic of China (PRC), claiming to have replaced the ROC as the sole legitimate government of China and the ROC government withdrew to Taiwan."

The rest of the article explains the circumstances under which the PRC replaced Taiwan in the UNSC.
may be a myth, may be not. nobody will know. at best these informal offers came to nehru but he thought china should get it. no less a person than shashi taroor who was under secretay general says it in his book (ofc i am yet to read it). certainly being at the UN for a such a long period, i assume, he will know better than both of us.
 
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Does anybody seriously think India will be in the UNSC without signing the NPT,CTBT,FMCT? highly doubtful if this was to happen it would make all these treaties useless.
 

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I did a little research. It is a myth. The PRC took the UNSC seat and veto away from Taiwan. See China and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Republic of China (ROC) was one of the founding members of the United Nations and a permanent member of the Security Council from its creation in 1945. In 1949, the Communist Party of China seized power in mainland China and declared the People's Republic of China (PRC), claiming to have replaced the ROC as the sole legitimate government of China and the ROC government withdrew to Taiwan."

The rest of the article explains the circumstances under which the PRC replaced Taiwan in the UNSC.
There ya go! It was Taiwan's seat to begin with (republic of China) for being one of the major, independent, victorious member of the Allies in WWII. The time line doesn't work if Nehru refused the UNSC seat in the early 50's because the PRC didn't get it until the early 70's. That's some 20 years later!
 
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didn't China have to be saved in ww2 by the ALLIES?? what history book are you using?
 

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If you mean "saved" as having others help create another front against the Imperial Japanese and given military aid...then yes. But trust me, it was both ROC and PRC soldiers on the ground fighting.


And to remind you, the UK, Russia, and France all had to be "saved" as well. So your point is really mute.
 

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There ya go! It was Taiwan's seat to begin with (republic of China) for being one of the major, independent, victorious member of the Allies in WWII. The time line doesn't work if Nehru refused the UNSC seat in the early 50's because the PRC didn't get it until the early 70's. That's some 20 years later!
India too was on the victorious side of WWII. It contributed millions of it's men for wars in distant lands. By that count India too should have got a seat.
Strange things happen in internstional politics.
 

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India too was on the victorious side of WWII. It contributed millions of it's men for wars in distant lands. By that count India too should have got a seat.
Strange things happen in internstional politics.
India was not an independent, sovereign nation!! It was conquered by the British, under its rule, and considered British territory. That's like saying California should've gotten it's own UNSC seat separate from the US because it contributed soldiers as well. LOL.
 

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There is a difference between California and India.
I was commenting on the victorious nations. Mind you India is called a founding member of the UN inspite of being under the British rule.
The British could have pushed for a seat for India back then. More than anything it could be for getting a vote on it's favor when time demanded back then.
 

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There is a difference between California and India.
I was commenting on the victorious nations. Mind you India is called a founding member of the UN inspite of being under the British rule.
The British could have pushed for a seat for India back then. More than anything it could be for getting a vote on it's favor when time demanded back then.
Not really. Did California provide soldiers? Yes. Was California? Yes. Did California have an independent governing body capable of making international affairs decisions? No.


India is the same. Conquered, provided soldiers, and had no legitimate government.

Anyways, my point is that Indian solders helped the UK win, and then the UK got a seat in the UNSC, and rightly so. Indian soldiers did not fight for "India" and thus why would India get a seat?
 
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Millions of Indians fought for the British in ww1 and ww2 and helped the british in many fronts and it went more or less unrecognized.
 
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Not really. Did California provide soldiers? Yes. Was California? Yes. Did California have an independent governing body capable of making international affairs decisions? No.


India is the same. Conquered, provided soldiers, and had no legitimate government.

Anyways, my point is that Indian solders helped the UK win, and then the UK got a seat in the UNSC, and rightly so. Indian soldiers did not fight for "India" and thus why would India get a seat?
Why did China get UNSC when they were defeated by the Japanese until the allies came , China is the only UNSC member that was in reality defeated in ww2 and made a member.
 

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Actually, the more I think about it, the more your point doesn't make any sense.


According to your logic, then Pakistan, Australia, Canada, South Africa, maybe even Iraq should be given a permanent seat. What about Bangladesh? Sudan? New Zealand?
 

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Why did China get UNSC when they were defeated by the Japanese until the allies came , China is the only UNSC member that was in reality defeated in ww2 and made a member.
How was China defeated? Losing yes, but they didn't get defeated.

If anything, France was completely defeated and all they had left were a few guerilla bands roaming around.

The Chinese were still fielding armies, held territory, and fighting the Japanese. In fact, more than half of our troops were bogged down in the Chinese quagmire.
 

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