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Chinese support here doesnt mean anything. Everyone knows what it tried to do at the last moment in the NSG meet for India specific rules.
What I would like to know is if the US is on board or not. So far they have had an ambiguous stand.
 

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Look, the way I see it, if not immediately, then in the near future of about 2 to 3 years, they WILL have to own up and give us a permanent seat in the security council... the only question is on what terms will we get a seat ???

Will we get a seat with Veto powers??? That to me is the most important question at the moment, not if we get a seat...

Without Veto powers, we would be like any of the other non-permanent members, not much of a difference between us and them in that case... We need to lobby for a seat with Veto powers...

All or nothing, I say...
 

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Yes. Among the whole gamut of reforms, this point should be also discussed. Do away with Veto altogether. Because of it, no important resolutions have ever been passed.
 

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Personally, I want our country to be there just for the sake of prestige...

Who wants to pass any resolutions??? And, even if the resolutions are passed, what's the guarantee that the country who its passed against will implement it??? It's a whole gravy train...

The prestige and perks associated with a full permanent seat with veto are enormous, and I say we make use of that.... it sounds very self centered, but the fact is that none of the existing members are going to give up their veto rights, so they will veto the reform resolutions too (if thats possible)!!!
 

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The prestige and perks associated with a full permanent seat with veto are enormous
The powers are enormous only to protect rogue regimes like NoKo or to illegally invade countries like Iraq. I have never see these powers being implemented for common good cause of the world, it was always used to extend their power and for geo-political reasons.
 

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Chinese support here doesnt mean anything. Everyone knows what it tried to do at the last moment in the NSG meet for India specific rules.
What I would like to know is if the US is on board or not. So far they have had an ambiguous stand.
Chinese support means everything. They have the veto and the key to your entry.
 

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India dares UNSC expansion opponents to straw poll

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United Nations, Sept 3 (PTI) Hitting hard at the countries who have been blocking the expansion of UN Security Council in both the permanent and non-permanent categories, India today dared such nations to schedule a straw poll in the UN General Assembly to prove that they have the numbers.

"If there is genuine doubt about the basic premise that most delegations support expansion in both categories, then, my knowledge of mathematics tells me that we should test the hypothesis scientifically," Indian's permanent envoy to the United Nations Hardeep Singh Puri said.

"So, let me ask, why do they not want us to schedule a straw poll to ask who really objects to an expansion in both categories? I suspect the results would clearly demonstrate that this is a small minority.
 

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India for 'genuine reform' in UN Security Council

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United Nations, Sept 2 (PTI) Describing the "genuine reform" in the UN Security Council as essential, India has strongly favoured the G4 proposal of expanding the prestigious body by including six new Permanent Members having veto powers and four additional non-permanent members.

"We remain convinced that this is the optimum expansion that meets both the tests of representativeness and manageability," the Indian Ambassador to the UN, Hardeep Singh Puri, said in his address to the informal meeting of the UN General Assembly on start of the third round of inter-governmental negotiations on Security Council reforms.

G-4 comprising of India, Brazil, Japan and Germany had made such a proposal in 2005. "New permanent members would have the same rights and responsibilities as existing permanent members, including that of the veto. Nevertheless, recognising the complexity of the issue, the G-4 proposal offered to defer its utilisation until a review is undertaken," he said.
 

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It's high time the P5 realize their monopoly over the global matters will not be for long.In a decade or so they will have to contend with global rising powers like India,Brazil,South Africa,even Japan if it's sheds it's pacifist attitude regarding world matters.
The 60 year old format of the SC needs to change dramatically to encompass the the challenges of todays world.For the SC to effectively tackle those challenges it will need the active participation of the developing powers.
 

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Bigger role for India backed | The Australian

WAYNE Swan has assured India of Australia's support in its push for a more powerful voice on the world stage, as the Rudd government seeks to make up ground with the emerging Asian economic giant.

Fresh from the G20 finance ministers meeting, where he pushed India's case for International Monetary Fund reform, the Treasurer yesterday agreed in New Delhi that Australia was increasingly aligning diplomatically with India "for very good policy reasons".

Mr Swan is the third senior government minister to visit India in a week, after Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Trade Minister Simon Crean, in the wake of a series of assaults on Indian students in Australia that have damaged bilateral relations.

Australia is increasingly playing chief advocate for India in its bid for a seat at the UN Security Council, as well as for a greater vote-weighting within the IMF and the World Bank.

The Rudd government also championed the landmark nuclear supply deal last year between the US and India through the Nuclear Suppliers Group, despite refusing to supply uranium to India because it is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Mr Swan told a meeting of the National Council for Applied Economic Research in New Delhi that Australia hoped India would be "one of our biggest future customers and suppliers" and called on the two nations to work together.

The growth of India -- which is projected to expand its middle class tenfold by 2025 -- "presents both of our countries with amazing opportunities to grow and to work together, but also to play a far greater role on the international stage", he said.

The G20 was a forum where "emerging economic giants like India and innovative middle powers like Australia can be at the centre of world economic decision-making for the benefit of ourselves and our region".

Mr Swan told The Australian ahead of yesterday's meetings: "There's no doubt we're interested in a much closer relationship (with India) across the board, not just economically but more generally."

He said he championed India's demands for a greater vote weighting for the BRIC countries -- Brazil, Russia, India and China -- during last week's G20 finance ministers' meeting in London and, with South Africa, even drafted the proposed IMF reforms that would give a greater say to developing nations.

He also met yesterday with Indian finance minister Pranab Mukherjee, the chairman of the Prime Minister's Economic Advisory Council and deputy chairman of the country's planning commission -- reflecting Australia's eagerness to claim a share of India's infrastructure bonanza.
 

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UN is a toothless organisation.sweating over it does not make any sense.india should concentrate on building her economy.it is a joke that 1/6th population is not represented in UNSC due to the machinations of the big 5.india also has to blame herself.when the opportunity was there they refused and now they are all over the place trying for support.there are better things to do.
 

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UN is a toothless organisation.sweating over it does not make any sense.india should concentrate on building her economy.it is a joke that 1/6th population is not represented in UNSC due to the machinations of the big 5.india also has to blame herself.when the opportunity was there they refused and now they are all over the place trying for support.there are better things to do.
Do you have any link to support your claim?
 

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Could you please provide some US source to back up your claim. As discussed in other thread, such as "UNSC reform", this claim has been dimissed.
these sort of things never come in public domain 'cos of the nature of the issue.hence are only informal at best.may be there is a source.so why don't you research yourself and enlighten us.
 

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these sort of things never come in public domain 'cos of the nature of the issue.hence are only informal at best.may be there is a source.so why don't you research yourself and enlighten us.
I did. Unfortunately, all the related informations I found until today are from India. In this forum, some people like Officer of Engineer said this is just a myth deserve no credit.

What upset me is that some indian friends keep using it to prove how friendly india treated china. But no can provide third-party source to support it.
 

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I did. Unfortunately, all the related informations I found until today are from India. In this forum, some people like Officer of Engineer said this is just a myth deserve no credit.

What upset me is that some indian friends keep using it to prove how friendly india treated china. But no can provide third-party source to support it.
it is neither to prove india's friendship to china nor to upset you.it is just a matter of debate for indians and so my point is directed to those.as for third party source as i said these are all informal.
 

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it is neither to prove india's friendship to china nor to upset you.it is just a matter of debate for indians and so my point is directed to those.as for third party source as i said these are all informal.
Is not about what india friends intention. It's all about whether this claim is true or just some kind of fantasy.
 

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Is not about what india friends intention. It's all about whether this claim is true or just some kind of fantasy.
friend,if you read my earlier post you would underastand.i said it is a matter of debate in india.no more no less.what is it got to do with claim.intention or fantasy?
 

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