UK and the Rise of radical Islam

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Let the wolves kill the lion's cubs said the elephants for did the old lion not kill our young, and they sat by and enjoyed the slaughter.The wolves killed the cubs & grew in strength and numbers for there were no lions to oppose them. Then once they were numerous enough they attacked the elephants and slaughtered them.
America took on the Germans to protect it's brown interests in stopping the Kaiser and then Hitler from becoming too powerful disregarding the fact that the founding fathers had only two hundred years ago fought bloody battles with the redcoats. It was the first dtep towards becoming a superpower.We must support the British to serve our own interests, any caliphate in Europe would mean one less sensible nation on earth.
 

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Let the wolves kill the lion's cubs said the elephants for did the old lion not kill our young, and they sat by and enjoyed the slaughter.The wolves killed the cubs & grew in strength and numbers for there were no lions to oppose them. Then once they were numerous enough they attacked the elephants and slaughtered them.
America took on the Germans to protect it's brown interests in stopping the Kaiser and then Hitler from becoming too powerful disregarding the fact that the founding fathers had only two hundred years ago fought bloody battles with the redcoats. It was the first dtep towards becoming a superpower.We must support the British to serve our own interests, any caliphate in Europe would mean one less sensible nation on earth.
Seems like you grossly underestimate the power and potential of India. Let them fight another 1000 years of religious wars, we will have plenty of time to prepare and we will be ready when war comes to us.

As far as Hitler is concerned, how is he any different from Mao, did not Mao get millions of his countrymen killed for his political AMBITIONS? Hitler is a hated figure because he lost the war. But remember, Hitler did not kill any Indian, Britishers did.

We Indians do not need to interpret history from western POV. Their enemies are not our enemies. Let them fight their battles. Just watch from sidelines while they self-destruct, good for us.

If Britain symbolizes a "sensible nation" then I will better have one sensible nation less.
 

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Seems like you grossly underestimate the power and potential of India. Let them fight another 1000 years of religious wars, we will have plenty of time to prepare and we will be ready when war comes to us.

As far as Hitler is concerned, how is he any different from Mao, did not Mao get millions of his countrymen killed for his political AMBITIONS? Hitler is a hated figure because he lost the war. But remember, Hitler did not kill any Indian, Britishers did.

We Indians do not need to interpret history from western POV. Their enemies are not our enemies. Let them fight their battles. Just watch from sidelines while they self-destruct, good for us.

If Britain symbolizes a "sensible nation" then I will better have one sensible nation less.
You know you sound exactly like what the other rajput kingdoms said when maharana pratap, prithviraj chauhan and their ilk were in need of assistance against the British.
Chanakya says"each potential ally with a common for must be treated as an asset for his men can be the fodder feeding your victory".
 

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Seems like you grossly underestimate the power and potential of India. Let them fight another 1000 years of religious wars, we will have plenty of time to prepare and we will be ready when war comes to us.

As far as Hitler is concerned, how is he any different from Mao, did not Mao get millions of his countrymen killed for his political AMBITIONS? Hitler is a hated figure because he lost the war. But remember, Hitler did not kill any Indian, Britishers did.

We Indians do not need to interpret history from western POV. Their enemies are not our enemies. Let them fight their battles. Just watch from sidelines while they self-destruct, good for us.

If Britain symbolizes a "sensible nation" then I will better have one sensible nation less.
The only difference between Hitler and other Europeans was that Hitler's racism was inside Europe. While others had focused on Asia and Africa.
 

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You know you sound exactly like what the other rajput kingdoms said when maharana pratap, prithviraj chauhan and their ilk were in need of assistance against the British.
Chanakya says"each potential ally with a common for must be treated as an asset for his men can be the fodder feeding your victory".
You count the brits as allies. I'd say they are a business party at most.
 

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I count every nation taking on the threat posed by islamism and militancy as an ally.
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Britain taking on islamism... their elite support islamists .... are fiercly anti-India and Israel , the two countries actually against terror. They hate India to death and hate Hindus ... @Mad Indian ... plz abuse dis guy in your trademark style. :rofl:
 

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You know you sound exactly like what the other rajput kingdoms said when maharana pratap, prithviraj chauhan and their ilk were in need of assistance against the British.
Chanakya says"each potential ally with a common for must be treated as an asset for his men can be the fodder feeding your victory".
Exactly, let the British blood be spilled for our sake. Let them attract the attention of all Jihadi groups, let them become the prime targets, let them experience all future 26/11s. Let them annihilate the Jihadi groups and self-destruct in the process. I will accept British as assets, cannon fodders, not as allies.

Who told you that India and Brits share common interest? Who do you think has still be providing shelter to our Khalistani terrorists? Who trained and armed the Mujahedin? Who armed and financed the NE terror groups for so long? It was reported few days ago that Britain tried to forge close ties between Afghan and Pakistani Intel agencies against India's regional interests.

Like I said let those fat white kids and wives of British soldiers die on streets of not-so-Great Britain, none of our business.
 

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@Basileos Menandrou,

Welcome to DFI, and please introduce yourself by opening a thread in the Introductions & Greetings section.

Coming back to your post, thank you. It is one of those typically scripted contents that has been repeated time and again that it no longer has much effect on Indians except for elucidating a sense of derision. The harm the British have done to India far exceeds whatever benefit that India might have received as a byproduct of self centred British activities, and not by design. The feelings that you find reprehensible, are probably quite justified to others, just like Greek sentiments towards the Turks is also justified. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Apropos the British, the fact remains, good riddance to bad rubbish.
 

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Britain taking on islamism... their elite support islamists .... are fiercly anti-India and Israel , the two countries actually against terror. They hate India to death and hate Hindus ... @Mad Indian ... plz abuse dis guy in your trademark style. :rofl:
The multitudes of Royal marines & SAS who have fought and are fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria would beg to differ.
Look I'm no Anglophile but I'm not blind either. Yes there is an undercurrent of anti India propaganda but that has more to do with recent geopolitical realignments resulting ( I think) more from a fear in the mind of British politicos of being dislodged in the UNSC and world power status by their erstwhile colonies than any historical hatred.
 

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The harm the British have done to India far exceeds whatever benefit that India might have received as a byproduct of self centred British activities.
The harm that the Congress party and it's diabolical socialism did to India far exceeds whatever harm that India might have received as a byproduct of self centred British activities.
 

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The harm that the Congress party and it's diabolical socialism did to India far exceeds whatever harm that India might have received as a byproduct of self centred British activities.
That is your opinion. Let us agree to disagree.
 

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That is your opinion. Let us agree to disagree.
:biggrin2: Ofcourse

But seriously we are not in a position to blame the British when we have done exactly the same thing as them.

For most of India's people,Independence only meant a change in skin colour of the ruling class,rest remained the same.
We failed to capitalize on various occasions in the past 70 years and now we are faced with daunting challenges.
Henceforth making allegations after 70 years when much of the world has changed would only make us look like laughing jack in front of the world.

There are countries which have risen from impossibilities to become prosperous.Look at Bangladesh,a former failed state and now is an example to the rest of the world.Henceforth we have noone but ourselves to blame for our sufferings.
 

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The anti-British sentiment expressed thus far is utterly reprehensible and unbecoming to so-called patriots of a nation which reveres gandhi as its founder.

One musn't forget that Britain hosts almost one and a half million persons of indian descent and has been even so gracious as to allow Indians to develop colonies in various parts of London and the Midlands; Southall is practically an overseas indian territory.

India has succumbed to a large multitude of foreign invaders over millenia from Persians and Greeks to Scythians and Huns, and from Arabs and Turks to the Mughals. One should question the number inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent killed by the Mughals for instance, or the Persian Nader Shah. The latter ordered a massacre of the inhabitants of Delhi for example. Creating and maintaining an empire is a bloody business; just ask Asoka or Babur. One should view the British Empire from a rational and dispassionate perspective, don't surrender your minds to pride and ignorance.

Indian citizens are far more anti-Indian than the British have or will ever be. If the Indians were pro-Indian then the circumstances would never have arisen in which the Indian subcontinent fell under the strong arm of the Empire, or any other empire for that matter. The same factors persist to this day as evinced by the various debacles that plague your various armed forces. You ire and vitriol should be directed at the wilgekatjes that populate the upper echelons of Hindustan Aeronautic Limited or the corrupt members of your government who proudly maintain a centuries-long tradition that has contributed to the loss of much life, NOT at the British people.
One can justify atrocities committed by Hitler against Jews using similar logic. I wonder how British and the allied nations view Hitler, we view the British Kings/Queens and government heads (particularly Winston Churchill, the mass murderer of Brown People) in same light.

US and UK actively funded and armed Extremist Groups groups while it was convenient for these two countries. Bin Laden was hailed as a Hero at the end of the Soviet-Afghan war and NY Times published a detailed article on it's FRONT PAGE on how the Great Bin Laden won freedom for the destitute Afghan people.

While Indian soldiers were getting martyred fighting those Mujahids, UK had been lecturing us on Human Rights and the need for dialogue. UK still hosts several good terrorists on it's soil. UK actively financed and supported terror groups within India. We have zero moral obligation and intent to "morally" or "actively" support UK in it's war on "terror". You reap what you sow.

And you are right, several self-loathing Indians were/are responsible for the situation we are currently in, and we really wish to change that.
 

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I never fail to be amazed at the amount of nonsense that one person can spew.

So Bangladesh is an example to the rest of the world now? What the devil is this? Why do you treat us to your pompous homilies every week? India is completely shit, Bangladesh is an "example to the rest of the world". What sort of nonsense are you spewing, really?

And understand this clearly - no one is making "allegations" here. We are just calling out the Brits for their hypocrisy w.r.t. "terrorism". Its terrorism only when White men are affected. Otherwise its "legitimate aspirations" and such shit, in case of Khalistan and Kashmir etc.

Diabolical socialism of the Congress was indeed bad for India. But its just a useless hypothetical waste of time to try to guess who was "better" and who was "worse". Remember that we were left with a starving nation with almost zero industry, literacy rate of 12%. And a bureaucracy built to extract wealth. The diabolical socialism of Congress prevented us from achieving our potential, but do remember that the green revolution, white revolution made us self-sufficient in food, from being a ship-to-mouth nation under the British. There are many more instances like this.

Anyway, since you want the world to "emulate Bangladesh's example", I am sure you would find a much greater sense of pride living in Bangladesh. After all, I see Bangladeshis all over India, from maids and rickshaw-wallahs in NCR to hospital cleaners in Bangalore to sweepers in Mumbai. I'm sure they wouldn't mind having such a self-critical brilliant mind such as yourself in Bangladesh, in return.
 

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Indian citizens are far more anti-Indian than the British have or will ever be. If the Indians were pro-Indian then the circumstances would never have arisen in which the Indian subcontinent fell under the strong arm of the Empire, or any other empire for that matter. The same factors persist to this day as evinced by the various debacles that plague your various armed forces. You ire and vitriol should be directed at the wilgekatjes that populate the upper echelons of Hindustan Aeronautic Limited or the corrupt members of your government who proudly maintain a centuries-long tradition that has contributed to the loss of much life, NOT at the British people.
This I agree with 100% ...........
Anyway we don't really care what happens in Britain. Either way is OK.
 

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The multitudes of Royal marines & SAS who have fought and are fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria would beg to differ.
Look I'm no Anglophile but I'm not blind either. Yes there is an undercurrent of anti India propaganda but that has more to do with recent geopolitical realignments resulting ( I think) more from a fear in the mind of British politicos of being dislodged in the UNSC and world power status by their erstwhile colonies than any historical hatred.
You are an anglophile from top-to-bottom. Otherwise why would you try to justify UK's anti-India policies using any pretext? A British Member rightly pointed out, we have got many Jaichands amongst us. He is correct.

Anything which serves our interest is good, anything which goes against our interest is Bad. FULL STOP. Doesn't matter what transpires UK's anti-India stand, if UK hurts our national interest then we must extract a good payback with interest.

UK deserves to bleed for what it did to other nationalities, British soldiers have no business invading other countries unless mandated by the UN, and if they do then their families are legitimate targets. We must not be a part of this conflict. Let them kill each other off, either way we win.

@CrYsIs Let us keep our domestic issues separate from an International Issues. Any day I will choose a corrupt Congress leader over an Honest, Dynamic Foreigner.
 

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You are an anglophile from top-to-bottom. Otherwise why would you try to justify UK's anti-India policies using any pretext? A British Member rightly pointed out, we have got many Jaichands amongst us. He is correct.

Anything which serves our interest is good, anything which goes against our interest is Bad. FULL STOP. Doesn't matter what transpires UK's anti-India stand, if UK hurts our national interest then we must extract a good payback with interest.

UK deserves to bleed for what it did to other nationalities, British soldiers have no business invading other countries unless mandated by the UN, and if they do then their families are legitimate targets. We must not be a part of this conflict. Let them kill each other off, either way we win.

@CrYsIs Let us keep our domestic issues separate from an International Issues. Any day I will choose a corrupt Congress leader over an Honest, Dynamic Foreigner.
The difference between us is that you are looking only at short term interest, I'm more worried about the impact of that myopic worldview.
We need to act to destroy our enemies before they come to our doorstep. Its a simple case of choosing the lesser evil.
 

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