Two AH-1Z gunships have arrived in Pakistan while remaining are underway.

[abhay rajput]

Can't stop laughing!!!

There is no point in debating with delusional people.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Why this happened?
Amid this indo-china crisis why US supported this?

 

[Assassin 2.0]

US Approves AH-1Z Viper Sales for Pakistan
Issue 60

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) has announced the Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters and AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $952 million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 15 AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters, 32 T-700 GE 401C Engines (30 installed and 2 spares), 1000 AGM-114 R Hellfire II Missiles in containers, 36 H-1 Technical Refresh Mission computers, 17 AN/AAQ-30 Target Sight Systems, 30 629F-23 Ultra High Frequency/Very High Frequency Communication Systems, 19 H-764 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems, 32 Helmet Mounted Display/Optimized Top Owl, 17 APX-117A Identification Friend or Foe, 17 AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems, 17 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Sets, 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 Radar Warning Receivers, 15 Joint Mission Planning Systems, and 17 M197 20mm Gun Systems. Also included are system integration and testing, software development and integration, aircraft ferry, support equipment, spare and repair parts, tools and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated cost is $952 million.
( probably this is the total package)

 

[garg_bharat]

Why this happened?
Amid this indo-china crisis why US supported this?

How do you this tweet is true? IL-78 is a tanker aircraft, not a cargo aircraft.

 

[garg_bharat]

Guys be careful thousands of Pakistani accounts on Twitter are paid trolls. Be careful while quoting.

For news on weapons transfers, prefer American source. Or something like SIPRI which is trustworthy.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

How do you this tweet is true? IL-78 is a tanker aircraft, not a cargo aircraft.

I would be happy if this news is false.

The IL-78MP is a multipurpose aerial-refuelling tanker or transport aircraft. It is fitted with removable fuel tanks in the cargo hold and UPAZ refuelling pods.

These aircraft are deployed by the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) and can be easily converted to transport aircraft by removing the fuel tanks.

 

[garg_bharat]

I would be happy if this news is false.

The IL-78MP is a multipurpose aerial-refuelling tanker or transport aircraft. It is fitted with removable fuel tanks in the cargo hold and UPAZ refuelling pods.

These aircraft are deployed by the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) and can be easily converted to transport aircraft by removing the fuel tanks.

Pakistan does have IL-76. So it does not have to remove tanks from IL-78.

Then delivery is included in the contract. Means US aircraft is supposed to deliver and US technicians are supposed to assemble at Pak airbase.

 

[BeEverVectorMan]

They should know how to ride these things,
And they should make their people understand that the one who ride these things are their own mens else they too will be beaten to death

 

[cereal killer]

There is no point in debating with delusional people.

I don't know why is hard for Indians to accept that US will keep playing this double game. They need Pakistan for Afghanistan. We are doing the same with Russia. USA's interests only partially align with India aka the China factor. We should not expect much support against Porkis.

 

[garg_bharat]

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

in.reuters.com

 

[garg_bharat]

I don't know why is hard for Indians to accept that US will keep playing this double game. They need Pakistan for Afghanistan. We are doing the same with Russia. USA's interests only partially align with India aka the China factor. We should not expect much support against Porkis.

USA has decided to exit Afghanistan long back. India has also been scaling down its involvement in Afghanistan.

I have said before and say again that US internal politics is NOT particularly favorable to India. However USA has burned its hands in Pakistan. USA needs allies in Asia. Pakistan and Turkey both are history.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

 

[patriots]

Pakistan does have IL-76. So it does not have to remove tanks from IL-78.

Then delivery is included in the contract. Means US aircraft is supposed to deliver and US technicians are supposed to assemble at Pak airbase.

Can't agree more
Apachae s of iaf were delivered by a Ukranian jet ,not by American jet

 

[Defcon 1]

Your assumptions is quite wrong in my humble opinion. Turkish attach helicopter is less advance and will always be less advance than USA ones. It doesn't matter how many upgrades it gets. They are selling it with full package (hellfire missiles) after that it doesn't need any upgrades. At least with turkish helicopters it will be easier to shoot down American ones.

Your humble opinion is wrong. That is why I specifically gave example of JF17 and F16. JF17 today can perform anti shipping and SEAD roles, specifically because of upgrades it received later. PAF F16 can't do these roles because Pakistanis are limited to integrating only american sensors and weapons with it. Importance of upgrades is something which cannot be denied, particularly when Turkey has already started working on a heavier attack helicopter in class of apache.

 

[Defcon 1]

Turkish build only fuselage of T129. The design is of Augusta Westland and engine American. They won't manufacture indegineously from scratch like LCH. US has banned engine export and T129 is held up. Even weapon sensors are European and getting upgraded recently when LCH gets in intial batch itself. Turkey are building engine for T129 which may take a decade also Chinese Z10 engine is inferior and not reliable which Pak themselves rejected. Pak has no choice other than to accept these American second line choppers. Turkish are far away from building own defence industry to export

That is the situation today, turks are developing their own subsystems for T129. Am example is UMTAS ATGM which will be the primary ATGM of t129 going forward. An export to Pakistan will give them yet another export market which will lead to development of better turkish weapons to be used against india. Not to mention that Pakistanis can get better concession from turks in terms of local production, indigenization. They will not receive any such concession from Americans

 

[garg_bharat]

Guys aviation engine are very difficult to build. Russia is having massive issues with its aero engines. Turkey does not have even tech of Russia, forget USA.

 

[cereal killer]

USA has decided to exit Afghanistan long back. India has also been scaling down its involvement in Afghanistan.

I have said before and say again that US internal politics is NOT particularly favorable to India. However USA has burned its hands in Pakistan. USA needs allies in Asia. Pakistan and Turkey both are history.

Both Democrats & Republicans are not much favourable to us however both want us to counter China & have separate tasks for both India & Pak. Besides Iran is also a headache for US & Pakistan itself is essential & a critical base to have. One of the basic worries of US is China's involvement in Pakistan. Besides Afghanistan is like a black hole which US can't seem to get out of. They don't want any Chance of Russian or Chinese involvement there so then again Pakistan comes into picture like a broker or a middle man & ISI is too much involved with Taliban. It's all part of the great game of Uncle Sam.

 

[abhay rajput]

Your humble opinion is wrong. That is why I specifically gave example of JF17 and F16. JF17 today can perform anti shipping and SEAD roles, specifically because of upgrades it received later. PAF F16 can't do these roles because Pakistanis are limited to integrating only american sensors and weapons with it. Importance of upgrades is something which cannot be denied, particularly when Turkey has already started working on a heavier attack helicopter in class of apache.

There are so many wrong assumption in your comments .
1- if a Choice is given to PAF they will choose f16 over jf17 any day, even with all us restrictions.
2- Pakistan had already modified f16 too carry nuclear bomb and yes USA did give permission to them for that . The second country after Israel.
3- Pakistan never wanted f16 for anti ship role , because if they wanted , they would have gotten that. Jf17 was mainly for that role just like some of our jaguars are for sea along with couple of su30mki now.
4- interestingly the timing of mrca deal was quite surprising to me , it's the same time rafale win. I guess it's American way of taking rejections
5- link for Pakistan f16 nuclear capable from both paki and indian news .

F-16 fighters sold by US to Pakistan are nuclear-enabled: Scientist

It is only a matter of time before Pakistan can launch short-range missiles to counter conventional attacks

www.dnaindia.com

Boosting air defence: F-16s replace Americans at Jacobabad airbase | The Express Tribune

Newly revamped airbase to house close to three dozen aircraft.

tribune.com.pk

6- lastly coming back to topic about helicopter - ahz1 viper is in another league compared to turkey helicopter even for the next 2 decades. Turkey can't make as good missiles as hellfire and turkey can't make engines . Lastly you are underestimating American love for Pakistan. Both the political parties in USA have problems with us - republic party is pro Christians and democratic party is pro Pakistani and anti indian. If they can allow nukes in f16 , they can allow anti shipping weapons and sensors too. Not to mention that they have also upgraded f16s. So your logic about upgrading American hardware is wrong. I guess you have been a victim of there propaganda and thinks that usa is friend. In 2008 India us nuclear agreement- they sold aim120 missiles. This happens after Mumbai. In 2012 after Rafale won they upgraded Pakistan f16s. In 2019 after balakot they sign spare deal to conduct more sorties. USA wants to balance between India and Pakistan. USA is more like a snake

 

[garg_bharat]

Both Democrats & Republicans are not much favourable to us however both want us to counter China & have separate tasks for both India & Pak. Besides Iran is also a headache for US & Pakistan itself is essential & a critical base to have. One of the basic worries of US is China's involvement in Pakistan. Besides Afghanistan is like a black hole which US can't seem to get out of. They don't want any Chance of Russian or Chinese involvement there so then again Pakistan comes into picture like a broker or a middle man & ISI is too much involved with Taliban. It's all part of the great game of Uncle Sam.

International relations can change overnight when facts supporting them change.

US relations with Pakistan are broken. A dog cannot have two masters. USA understands well that China has taken it's place in Pakistan.

While I agree that India did not carry much weight in Washington, events are moving rather fast nowadays. Last two years have been crazy fast.

 

[abhay rajput]

International relations can change overnight when facts supporting them change.

US relations with Pakistan are broken. A dog cannot have two masters. USA understands well that China has taken it's place in Pakistan.

While I agree that India did not carry much weight in Washington, events are moving rather fast nowadays. Last two years have been crazy fast.

Yes but Afghanistan peace deal will make up for that. Both political parties want exit from Afghanistan which can only happen through Pakistan. Pakistan has some trump cards like Iran and Chinese too .. Pakistan is a whore . It will leave China anyday if USA accepted it. Afterall a who*e will always run for richer guy which is USA into this case