Turkish defense industry news updates

[NutCracker]

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How true is that @rodeo

Is US hindering the project ??

 

[rodeo]

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How true is that @rodeo

Is US hindering the project ??

That twitter account has no credibility. He is full of lies. His posts shouldn't be shared as a source.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Is US hindering the project ??

Americans don't want anybody else to have 5th gen birds of their own making, even allies. The Mitsubishi Shinshin is dead thanks to them.

 

[rodeo]

That twitter account has no credibility. He is full of lies. His posts shouldn't be shared as a source.

This is what he shared the other day.



He posts these kind of bullshit. It's a lie of course.

 

[rodeo]

Americans don't want anybody else to have 5th gen birds of their own making, even allies. The Mitsubishi Shinshin is dead thanks to them.

We have enough engines to produce and test many prototypes. But i also think that they will stop delivering engines once the serial production begins. And they won't, under no circumstances, allow TFX to be exported with American engines. That's for sure.

 

[Suryavanshi]

We have enough engines to produce and test many prototypes. But i also think that they will stop delivering engines once the serial production begins. And they won't, under no circumstances, allow TFX to be exported with American engines. That's for sure.

Nothing less than Pratt & Whitteny, RR can provide you the proper engine for 5the gen. I think Turkeys priority is to roll out a make do product for the short term and continuously upgrade the platform whenever possible.
At the current configuration it does not seem like it would even have 50% of F22s full capability.

 

[NutCracker]

Nothing less than Pratt & Whitteny, RR can provide you the proper engine for 5the gen. I think Turkeys priority is to roll out a make do product for the short term and continuously upgrade the platform whenever possible.
At the current configuration it does not seem like it would even have 50% of F22s full capability.

Nah GE is fine too. Their GE414EPE can be upgraded to 115kN at nearly same weight of 1200kg. It is Same thrust to weight as PW100 of f,35.

 

[rodeo]

Nothing less than Pratt & Whitteny, RR can provide you the proper engine for 5the gen. I think Turkeys priority is to roll out a make do product for the short term and continuously upgrade the platform whenever possible.
At the current configuration it does not seem like it would even have 50% of F22s full capability.

The aircraft is bigger than F22. Even with its current F110-GE129 engines it's underpowered. The raw power of TFX will be 70.000 lbf. That's why TEI is developing a military turbofan at 35.000lbf thrust. And the engine we seek from RR is also in this range. TEI CEO has said many of the stealth technologies for the engine will be implemented and tested on TF6000(6.000 lbf dry thrust) in the next few years.

 

[blackjack]

@rodeo in case you post this here next i did it for you anyways.

 

[rodeo]

@rodeo in case you post this here next i did it for you anyways.

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To clarify the last image, "hedef" means the detection range. For example, Thales RBE2 AESA(Rafale) can detect aircrafts with RCS: 0.0001 m^2 from 11-13km+ range.

 

[blackjack]

EXCLUSIVE: Air Force scraps B-21 drone wingman concept - Breaking Defense

I wish I understood why the U.S. has not done any big stealth UAV projects with air to air capabilities yet.

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

@rodeo in case you post this here next i did it for you anyways.

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Do you guys have a rcs test facility ?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

@rodeo in case you post this here next i did it for you anyways.

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If true, its a pretty bad "stealth" plane.... Having > 1m^2 RCS on VHF radar is really poor. Even assuming 80% absorbtion (very good RAM) then 0.3 m^2 is hardly stealth. More like "stealth-like" design than a stealth drone.

 

[rodeo]

Do you guys have a rcs test facility ?

In August, TAI CEO has announced that they will soon begin construction of the RCS facility. It'll be the fifth largest RCS facility in the world. It's expected to become operational in Q2 2024.

TAI to set up major radar cross-section testing facility

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is set to establish a facility for the testing of the radar cross section (RCS) of domestically developed air platforms,...

www.dailysabah.com

If true, its a pretty bad "stealth" plane.... Having > 1m^2 RCS on VHF radar is really poor. Even assuming 80% absorbtion (very good RAM) then 0.3 m^2 is hardly stealth. More like "stealth-like" design than a stealth drone.

I'm quoting the remarks section of the said presentation.

"MIUS UCAV model shape showed good control of RCS from X-band(8 GHz) up to L-band(1 GHz). This large spikes of specular RCS does not enter into critical sector (-45 to 45 degrees) but only become visible outside of those sector. L-band however shows some degradation of the shaping feature indicated from the apparent large spike at 45 degrees angle, resulted from the multiple reflection phenomenon originated from canard junction. Inclusion of Absorber may help reduce it. At VHF band, the shape lost its ability to "control" the specular spikes. That behavior however is to be expected from the resonance/MIE phenomenon as the wavelength approach the size of the waving feature."

Besides, the drone has composite, monocoque shell body and will have ram coating. I'm sure the quoted 0.24 RCS will get much lower because of these. And this is not an official work. It's from an amateur enthusiast.

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

TAI CEO has announced that they will soon begin construction of the RCS facility. It'll be the fifth largest RCS facility in the world. It's expected to become operational in Q2 2024.

I have been hearing about this for 4 years
How are you going to make a stealth plane without a RCS lab ?
Do you guys have a flying test bed ?

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

TAI-Tübitak Near field RCS test & analyse facility & TAI-Far field RCS test facility

• The facility will analyse/test critical RCS figures of aircrafts up to 25m length.
• According to information, There are 4 facilities that is in same level with the TAI’s RCS facility.
• RCS info has to be kept secret so this facility has serious importance to protect the key features of TF-X.
  It will be operational in 2021.

Again was supposed to be built in 2021 now it's 2024
An RCS is the minimum requirement for any fighter don't tell me you guys made hurjet without an RCS lab
Which ones did you even use ?

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Turkish aerospace giant TAI to soon open world’s 4th largest composite factory

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is days away from opening the world's 4th largest composite factory, the company said in a statement Thursday.TAI...

www.google.com

This no news on this either

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Turkish Aerospace building huge subsonic wind tunnel - Latest News

Turkey's state-run aviation company, Turkish Aerospace (TAI), is building Europe's second-largest subsonic wind tunnel for testing the country's fighter jets.

www.google.com

Is this operational yet ?

 

[rodeo]

Again was supposed to be built in 2021 now it's 2024
An RCS is the minimum requirement for any fighter don't tell me you guys made hurjet without an RCS lab
Which ones did you even use ?

I do not know the answer to that question.

Turkish aerospace giant TAI to soon open world’s 4th largest composite factory

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is days away from opening the world's 4th largest composite factory, the company said in a statement Thursday.TAI...

www.google.com

This no news on this either

That's already operational. The article is in Turkish but you could use google translate.

https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/ekonomi/turkiyenin-dev-kompozit-tesisi-ankarada-uretime-basladi/2108115

 

[rodeo]

Turkish Aerospace building huge subsonic wind tunnel - Latest News

Turkey's state-run aviation company, Turkish Aerospace (TAI), is building Europe's second-largest subsonic wind tunnel for testing the country's fighter jets.

www.google.com

Is this operational yet ?

The construction has started last year.

Construction starts on Turkey's huge wind tunnel | Aerospace Testing International

The subsonic wind tunnel in Turkey will be the second largest in Europe

www.aerospacetestinginternational.com