Turkish defense industry news updates

[NutCracker]

clip is from USA.

Aviation Week on Twitter: "Start-up hypersonic aircraft developer Hermeus has demonstrated mode transition of the company’s in-house-designed Chimera turbine-based combined-cycle engine (TBCC), which will power the Atlanta manufacturer’s Quarterhorse Mach 5 test vehicle. https://t.co/p5vzf2nNNX" / Twitter

 

[NutCracker]

It surely could be utilized as a wingman but that's not its design purpose. The aircraft is a stand-alone, low-observable, fighter UCAV. It will engage enemy aircrafts directly in a contested airspace. It will have internal weapons bay to reduce RCS and GaN AESA. KIZILELMA will have several versions. The first(this one) uses Ivchenko-Progress AI-25TLT engine and will fly at high-subsonic speeds. Later versions(developed in parallel) will have supersonic, twin-engine configuration(with Ivchenko-Progress AI-322F engines) and carrier-capable models.

TEI's TF6000 engine will also fly KIZILEMA but it's no earlier than 2025.

Additional Info from Wiki:

The Kızılelma is an unmanned aircraft, featuring a low-RCS supersonic airframe and equipped with an AESA radar. The aircraft is powered by a turbofan engine, fed by two air inlets; yaw control is achieved with two vertical stabilizers. The aircraft has coupled-canard controls for increased maneuverability, or for better controlling the main wing airflow. Internal compartments will allow the aircraft to operate in contested environments while sustaining low observability.

The Kızılelma has a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) of 6,000 kilograms (13,200 lb), with 1,500 kg of said weight available for the payload. According to data shared by the company, the Kızılelma will have an operational altitude of 35,000 feet (10,670 m).

Variants

Baykar MIUS Kızılelma is a jet-engined, low-observable, supersonic, carrier-capable UCAV designed to operate on TCG Anadolu

Baykar announced in Teknofest 2022, that there will be at least 3 variants of Kızılelma with different engine configurations. The engines are produced by the Turkish-Ukrainian joint venture Black Sea Shield. Kızılelma-A will be capable of near-supersonic speeds, being powered by the AI-25TLT engine. Kızılelma-B will fly at supersonic speeds, powered by a single Ukrainian AI-322F engine. And lastly Kızılelma-C will incorporate 2 AI-322F engines.

While there are expectations to make use of Turkish-made TEI TF6000 turbofan engines in the future, nothing has been confirmed so far.

Features

• Fully-autonomous takeoff and landing
• Low radar cross-section
• High maneuverability
• Line Of Sight (LOS) and Beyond LOS (BLOS) controlled
• Takeoff and landing capability from short-runway aircraft carriers
• High situational awareness with AESA radar
• Internal bays

are there any pics available of weapons bay ?? dimensions ?? can it carry anti Radiation missiles ??

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

clip is from USA.

Aviation Week on Twitter: "Start-up hypersonic aircraft developer Hermeus has demonstrated mode transition of the company’s in-house-designed Chimera turbine-based combined-cycle engine (TBCC), which will power the Atlanta manufacturer’s Quarterhorse Mach 5 test vehicle. https://t.co/p5vzf2nNNX" / Twitter

Wait a minute these guys copied the video from USA are you sure
I was thinking that as well bcs if they are able to do it it's like a preliminary brahmos 2
This engine looked a lot like wave rider 51

 

[Suryavanshi]

At least none of your programs are fake

Say l&t gets the full experience in building a sub.
Can they sign a contract for delivering subs?
Or will the Indian gov object?

Hypothetical scenario ofcourse

 

[NutCracker]

Say l&t gets the full experience in building a sub.

Can they sign a contract for delivering subs?

Or will the Indian gov object?

Hypothetical scenario ofcourse

Put the question in relevant navy thread.. very few people lurk here to give you satisfying ans.

Wait a minute these guys copied the video from USA are you sure
I was thinking that as well bcs if they are able to do it it's like a preliminary brahmos 2
This engine looked a lot like wave rider 51

From horse's mouth.

 

[rodeo]

Incredible
Truly Incredible
This is what happens when a nation has an holistic approach towards advanced tech and advanced military along with European support
Forget support but the objectives are clear and on the path of achieving the objectives
As u r NATO member u will definitely get support
But point is other non military manufacturing NATO nations are not able to achieve what u guys did in short period
I could see a next China type military rising

China's scope of defence sector is much wider than Turkey's. Their population, economy, industrial capacity cannot be matched by Turkey but we're doing pretty fine with the limited resources we have and they're money making programs. Whatever we manage to bring together sells well. So it's a sustainable progress. And we have one thing China doesn't have. We're constantly at war. There are always operations on our southern-border and the products we develop are tested thoroughly in real combat situations and updated iteratively.

All these nicely stated greatness of Bayarktar UCAV have fallen on the way side. The initial success of these UCAVs in Armenian War and Syria have fallen on wayside. The Ukrainians used 30 of these against Russia. But the latter managed to shoot down most of them hence Ukraine stopped using them. Moreover a fully intact Bayarktar 2 was captured by the Russians. Now they know all about it hence can shoot it down with ease. The initial enthusiasm by little countries including Pakistan has come to a big slowdown. They are not ordering it anymore except Pakistan who have ordered 30 of these and later version. For India, it is slow moving UCAV hence easy to shoot down.

If I hear one more time the phrase "Turkish drones" and "TB2" in the same sentence, I'm gonna puke. Enough already. TB2 is a very good drone for its price. It has very good features and very reliable but it's a small, slow-moving, propelled UCAV. It only has 150kg payload capacity. When it's used with precision-guided munitions and good EOTS, they're very effective. But they're vulnerable at the same time. When we're using them in Syria or Iraq there are always F16s accompanying them to provide protection. For instance, in 2020, in Idlib operations we used more than 100 drones simultaneously and the F16 that are guarding the drones shot down 3 Syrian fighter jets.

Let's look at it from another perspective. Reaper drones are regarded highly deadly and quality UCAVs. Put these drones on the battle-front in Ukraine, how long will it take Russia to shoot them down you think? Would that mean Reapers are bad? NO because Reapers are not meant to operate in contested air space.

They are not ordering it anymore except Pakistan who have ordered 30 of these and later version.

That's simply false. The company is already churning out more than 20 TB2s per month and it's booked for three years. The CEO said they're making the necessary investments to increase the annual production rate to 500 drones next year.

Turkish Drone Maker Baykar Is Booked for Three Years, CEO Says

Turkey’s Baykar Makina Sanayi ve Ticaret AS, which provides Ukraine with unmanned aerial vehicles, says it currently has the capacity to build 20 drones a month and a three-year order backlog.

www.bloomberg.com

For anyone who are interested in Turkish drone industry, please pass this TB2 craze and you'll see a more clear picture.

clip is from USA.

Aviation Week on Twitter: "Start-up hypersonic aircraft developer Hermeus has demonstrated mode transition of the company’s in-house-designed Chimera turbine-based combined-cycle engine (TBCC), which will power the Atlanta manufacturer’s Quarterhorse Mach 5 test vehicle. https://t.co/p5vzf2nNNX" / Twitter

It's a tweet from an enthusiast and he put a mention of "@hermeuscorp" below his tweet. Everyone knows the footage is not from Turkish Ramjet. Obviously, the person who tweeted it wanted to complement TÜBİTAK SAGE CEO's announcements with a video of a ramjet and since there are not photo the indigenous engine, he used a foreign video. Maybe unrelated but I just realized, I'm blocked from seeing his Tweets What did I do I wonder.

are there any pics available of weapons bay ?? dimensions ?? can it carry anti Radiation missiles ??

Since it's the first prototype there are no weapons bay. There are not even landing leg compartment in the body. It was also the same with AKINCI when it was doing its first flight.

Below in the first photo, you see KIZILELMA prototype against Hürjet Mock-Up. And in the second photo there is Hürjet with F16. So you can get an idea of the size of KIZILELMA. And I mind you, this is the smaller version of the UCAV. Twin-engine configuration will be larger.

 

[mokoman]

China's scope of defence sector is much wider than Turkey's. Their population, economy, industrial capacity cannot be matched by Turkey but we're doing pretty fine with the limited resources we have and they're money making programs. Whatever we manage to bring together sells well. So it's a sustainable progress. And we have one thing China doesn't have. We're constantly at war. There are always operations on our southern-border and the products we develop are tested thoroughly in real combat situations and updated iteratively.

If I hear one more time the phrase "Turkish drones" and "TB2" in the same sentence, I'm gonna puke. Enough already. TB2 is a very good drone for its price. It has very good features and very reliable but it's a small, slow-moving, propelled UCAV. It only has 150kg payload capacity. When it's used with precision-guided munitions and good EOTS, they're very effective. But they're vulnerable at the same time. When we're using them in Syria or Iraq there are always F16s accompanying them to provide protection. For instance, in 2020, in Idlib operations we used more than 100 drones simultaneously and the F16 that are guarding the drones shot down 3 Syrian fighter jets.

Let's look at it from another perspective. Reaper drones are regarded highly deadly and quality UCAVs. Put these drones on the battle-front in Ukraine, how long will it take Russia to shoot them down you think? Would that mean Reapers are bad? NO because Reapers are not meant to operate in contested air space.



That's simply false. The company is already churning out more than 20 TB2s per month and it's booked for three years. The CEO said they're making the necessary investments to increase the annual production rate to 500 drones next year.

Turkish Drone Maker Baykar Is Booked for Three Years, CEO Says

Turkey’s Baykar Makina Sanayi ve Ticaret AS, which provides Ukraine with unmanned aerial vehicles, says it currently has the capacity to build 20 drones a month and a three-year order backlog.

www.bloomberg.com

For anyone who are interested in Turkish drone industry, please pass this TB2 craze and you'll see a more clear picture.



It's a tweet from an enthusiast and he put a mention of "@hermeuscorp" below his tweet. Everyone knows the footage is not from Turkish Ramjet. Obviously, the person who tweeted it wanted to complement TÜBİTAK SAGE CEO's announcements with a video of a ramjet and since there are not photo the indigenous engine, he used a foreign video. Maybe unrelated but I just realized, I'm blocked from seeing his Tweets What did I do I wonder.

Since it's the first prototype there are no weapons bay. There are not even landing leg compartment in the body. It was also the same with AKINCI when it was doing its first flight.

Below in the first photo, you see KIZILELMA prototype against Hürjet Mock-Up. And in the second photo there is Hürjet with F16. So you can get an idea of the size of KIZILELMA. And I mind you, this is the smaller version of the UCAV. Twin-engine configuration will be larger.

saw it taxing , impressive stuff.

the drone jet looks like a scaled down J-20. what happens if u jam the sat comm tho . i am guessing autonomous jets are the future. also whats cost like ? .

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

China's scope of defence sector is much wider than Turkey's. Their population, economy, industrial capacity cannot be matched by Turkey but we're doing pretty fine with the limited resources we have and they're money making programs. Whatever we manage to bring together sells well. So it's a sustainable progress. And we have one thing China doesn't have. We're constantly at war. There are always operations on our southern-border and the products we develop are tested thoroughly in real combat situations and updated iteratively.

If I hear one more time the phrase "Turkish drones" and "TB2" in the same sentence, I'm gonna puke. Enough already. TB2 is a very good drone for its price. It has very good features and very reliable but it's a small, slow-moving, propelled UCAV. It only has 150kg payload capacity. When it's used with precision-guided munitions and good EOTS, they're very effective. But they're vulnerable at the same time. When we're using them in Syria or Iraq there are always F16s accompanying them to provide protection. For instance, in 2020, in Idlib operations we used more than 100 drones simultaneously and the F16 that are guarding the drones shot down 3 Syrian fighter jets.

Let's look at it from another perspective. Reaper drones are regarded highly deadly and quality UCAVs. Put these drones on the battle-front in Ukraine, how long will it take Russia to shoot them down you think? Would that mean Reapers are bad? NO because Reapers are not meant to operate in contested air space.



That's simply false. The company is already churning out more than 20 TB2s per month and it's booked for three years. The CEO said they're making the necessary investments to increase the annual production rate to 500 drones next year.

Turkish Drone Maker Baykar Is Booked for Three Years, CEO Says

Turkey’s Baykar Makina Sanayi ve Ticaret AS, which provides Ukraine with unmanned aerial vehicles, says it currently has the capacity to build 20 drones a month and a three-year order backlog.

www.bloomberg.com

For anyone who are interested in Turkish drone industry, please pass this TB2 craze and you'll see a more clear picture.



It's a tweet from an enthusiast and he put a mention of "@hermeuscorp" below his tweet. Everyone knows the footage is not from Turkish Ramjet. Obviously, the person who tweeted it wanted to complement TÜBİTAK SAGE CEO's announcements with a video of a ramjet and since there are not photo the indigenous engine, he used a foreign video. Maybe unrelated but I just realized, I'm blocked from seeing his Tweets What did I do I wonder.

Since it's the first prototype there are no weapons bay. There are not even landing leg compartment in the body. It was also the same with AKINCI when it was doing its first flight.

Below in the first photo, you see KIZILELMA prototype against Hürjet Mock-Up. And in the second photo there is Hürjet with F16. So you can get an idea of the size of KIZILELMA. And I mind you, this is the smaller version of the UCAV. Twin-engine configuration will be larger.

@Indx TechStyle how does a ramjet produce mach 5 don't you need a scramjet for that

 

[rodeo]

Ismail Demir(the head of Turkey's Defense Industries Presidency) has just said live on TV "TFX was moved to the final-assembly and we'll release the pictures of it tomorrow."

 

[jai jaganath]

China's scope of defence sector is much wider than Turkey's. Their population, economy, industrial capacity cannot be matched by Turkey but we're doing pretty fine with the limited resources we have and they're money making programs. Whatever we manage to bring together sells well. So it's a sustainable progress. And we have one thing China doesn't have. We're constantly at war. There are always operations on our southern-border and the products we develop are tested thoroughly in real combat situations and updated iteratively.

If I hear one more time the phrase "Turkish drones" and "TB2" in the same sentence, I'm gonna puke. Enough already. TB2 is a very good drone for its price. It has very good features and very reliable but it's a small, slow-moving, propelled UCAV. It only has 150kg payload capacity. When it's used with precision-guided munitions and good EOTS, they're very effective. But they're vulnerable at the same time. When we're using them in Syria or Iraq there are always F16s accompanying them to provide protection. For instance, in 2020, in Idlib operations we used more than 100 drones simultaneously and the F16 that are guarding the drones shot down 3 Syrian fighter jets.

Let's look at it from another perspective. Reaper drones are regarded highly deadly and quality UCAVs. Put these drones on the battle-front in Ukraine, how long will it take Russia to shoot them down you think? Would that mean Reapers are bad? NO because Reapers are not meant to operate in contested air space.



That's simply false. The company is already churning out more than 20 TB2s per month and it's booked for three years. The CEO said they're making the necessary investments to increase the annual production rate to 500 drones next year.

Turkish Drone Maker Baykar Is Booked for Three Years, CEO Says

Turkey’s Baykar Makina Sanayi ve Ticaret AS, which provides Ukraine with unmanned aerial vehicles, says it currently has the capacity to build 20 drones a month and a three-year order backlog.

www.bloomberg.com

For anyone who are interested in Turkish drone industry, please pass this TB2 craze and you'll see a more clear picture.



It's a tweet from an enthusiast and he put a mention of "@hermeuscorp" below his tweet. Everyone knows the footage is not from Turkish Ramjet. Obviously, the person who tweeted it wanted to complement TÜBİTAK SAGE CEO's announcements with a video of a ramjet and since there are not photo the indigenous engine, he used a foreign video. Maybe unrelated but I just realized, I'm blocked from seeing his Tweets What did I do I wonder.

Since it's the first prototype there are no weapons bay. There are not even landing leg compartment in the body. It was also the same with AKINCI when it was doing its first flight.

Below in the first photo, you see KIZILELMA prototype against Hürjet Mock-Up. And in the second photo there is Hürjet with F16. So you can get an idea of the size of KIZILELMA. And I mind you, this is the smaller version of the UCAV. Twin-engine configuration will be larger.

Now Turkish industry is certainly above tb2 drones
It is producing things far complicated than just 150 kg payload drone
It's industry is getting matured especially defence bcoz I don't have ideas regarding other areas
It's planning is well focused on what can they develope what can they import or what can they co develope
Certainly it's getting a good help bcoz of NATO membership but anyways if it wouldn't have national goal then it would have been impossible

 

[Hari Sud]

China's scope of defence sector is much wider than Turkey's. Their population, economy, industrial capacity cannot be matched by Turkey but we're doing pretty fine with the limited resources we have and they're money making programs. Whatever we manage to bring together sells well. So it's a sustainable progress. And we have one thing China doesn't have. We're constantly at war. There are always operations on our southern-border and the products we develop are tested thoroughly in real combat situations and updated iteratively.

If I hear one more time the phrase "Turkish drones" and "TB2" in the same sentence, I'm gonna puke. Enough already. TB2 is a very good drone for its price. It has very good features and very reliable but it's a small, slow-moving, propelled UCAV. It only has 150kg payload capacity. When it's used with precision-guided munitions and good EOTS, they're very effective. But they're vulnerable at the same time. When we're using them in Syria or Iraq there are always F16s accompanying them to provide protection. For instance, in 2020, in Idlib operations we used more than 100 drones simultaneously and the F16 that are guarding the drones shot down 3 Syrian fighter jets.

Let's look at it from another perspective. Reaper drones are regarded highly deadly and quality UCAVs. Put these drones on the battle-front in Ukraine, how long will it take Russia to shoot them down you think? Would that mean Reapers are bad? NO because Reapers are not meant to operate in contested air space.



That's simply false. The company is already churning out more than 20 TB2s per month and it's booked for three years. The CEO said they're making the necessary investments to increase the annual production rate to 500 drones next year.

Turkish Drone Maker Baykar Is Booked for Three Years, CEO Says

Turkey’s Baykar Makina Sanayi ve Ticaret AS, which provides Ukraine with unmanned aerial vehicles, says it currently has the capacity to build 20 drones a month and a three-year order backlog.

www.bloomberg.com

For anyone who are interested in Turkish drone industry, please pass this TB2 craze and you'll see a more clear picture.



It's a tweet from an enthusiast and he put a mention of "@hermeuscorp" below his tweet. Everyone knows the footage is not from Turkish Ramjet. Obviously, the person who tweeted it wanted to complement TÜBİTAK SAGE CEO's announcements with a video of a ramjet and since there are not photo the indigenous engine, he used a foreign video. Maybe unrelated but I just realized, I'm blocked from seeing his Tweets What did I do I wonder.

Since it's the first prototype there are no weapons bay. There are not even landing leg compartment in the body. It was also the same with AKINCI when it was doing its first flight.

Below in the first photo, you see KIZILELMA prototype against Hürjet Mock-Up. And in the second photo there is Hürjet with F16. So you can get an idea of the size of KIZILELMA. And I mind you, this is the smaller version of the UCAV. Twin-engine configuration will be larger.

China's scope of defence sector is much wider than Turkey's. Their population, economy, industrial capacity cannot be matched by Turkey but we're doing pretty fine with the limited resources we have and they're money making programs. Whatever we manage to bring together sells well. So it's a sustainable progress. And we have one thing China doesn't have. We're constantly at war. There are always operations on our southern-border and the products we develop are tested thoroughly in real combat situations and updated iteratively.

If I hear one more time the phrase "Turkish drones" and "TB2" in the same sentence, I'm gonna puke. Enough already. TB2 is a very good drone for its price. It has very good features and very reliable but it's a small, slow-moving, propelled UCAV. It only has 150kg payload capacity. When it's used with precision-guided munitions and good EOTS, they're very effective. But they're vulnerable at the same time. When we're using them in Syria or Iraq there are always F16s accompanying them to provide protection. For instance, in 2020, in Idlib operations we used more than 100 drones simultaneously and the F16 that are guarding the drones shot down 3 Syrian fighter jets.

Let's look at it from another perspective. Reaper drones are regarded highly deadly and quality UCAVs. Put these drones on the battle-front in Ukraine, how long will it take Russia to shoot them down you think? Would that mean Reapers are bad? NO because Reapers are not meant to operate in contested air space.



That's simply false. The company is already churning out more than 20 TB2s per month and it's booked for three years. The CEO said they're making the necessary investments to increase the annual production rate to 500 drones next year.

Turkish Drone Maker Baykar Is Booked for Three Years, CEO Says

Turkey’s Baykar Makina Sanayi ve Ticaret AS, which provides Ukraine with unmanned aerial vehicles, says it currently has the capacity to build 20 drones a month and a three-year order backlog.

www.bloomberg.com

For anyone who are interested in Turkish drone industry, please pass this TB2 craze and you'll see a more clear picture.



It's a tweet from an enthusiast and he put a mention of "@hermeuscorp" below his tweet. Everyone knows the footage is not from Turkish Ramjet. Obviously, the person who tweeted it wanted to complement TÜBİTAK SAGE CEO's announcements with a video of a ramjet and since there are not photo the indigenous engine, he used a foreign video. Maybe unrelated but I just realized, I'm blocked from seeing his Tweets What did I do I wonder.

Since it's the first prototype there are no weapons bay. There are not even landing leg compartment in the body. It was also the same with AKINCI when it was doing its first flight.

Below in the first photo, you see KIZILELMA prototype against Hürjet Mock-Up. And in the second photo there is Hürjet with F16. So you can get an idea of the size of KIZILELMA. And I mind you, this is the smaller version of the UCAV. Twin-engine configuration will be larger.

A very good self praise for a very good drone, again buyer who are technically not proficient, beware. Russia is not Syria or Armenia . They shot down all the drones which took off in Ukraine. They even captured one fully intact.

Yes, for all countries who are lining up to buy these drones should be told that key to shooting down has been found….. cheers.

 

[rodeo]

A very good self praise for a very good drone, again buyer who are technically not proficient, beware. Russia is not Syria or Armenia . They shot down all the drones which took off in Ukraine. They even captured one fully intact.

Yes, for all countries who are lining up to buy these drones should be told that key to shooting down has been found….. cheers.

If someone thought they're getting Wunderwaffe for $5millions, it's their own stupidity, not ours.

We complement our drones with these,

And the result is? This compilation is from a single operation two years ago.



We don't need to praise the drones. They're selling themselves.

You're saying Russia captured an intact drone. Can you share a link so I can verify it?

 

[rodeo]

I'm leaving a short video for quick consumption and will later add the photos. Here TFX(first prototype),

 

[rodeo]

 

[rodeo]

Another video,


Look how large it is. She is gorgeous

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Super impressive. Congrats to turkey

 

[johnj]

Dude , ranting don't change stuff , a flickering flame may appear brighter , Turks hype their products as something too futuristic, compare rationally and you Will understand better

Hype ?? Their weapons works just fine, and very less hyped. Turkey complects their 5th gen jet development around 2040, and they don't hype & like SK, they works within their limits, that why they give importance to partnerships and not shy to ask help. They are working with EU, UK, Russia & USA to meet their needs[tech].
Don't forget they planned to buy more than 150 f35 and invested billions into that program. Another important adv of turkey is fast decision making & finalizing the deals. [if no f35 then, f16v, if no f16v, then ef200 - they are not wasting time, and it take 1.5 or more decade to complete their 5th gen, means they focus more of missiles, drones, ew, sensors & 4.5gen in near future]

 

[rodeo]

TFX mission computer has been delivered by TÜBİTAK BİLGEM

 

[johnj]

Speed is not always advantageous
If drdo can sacrifice some timeline to make better product then be it.
Amca will have advanced sensors,but most importantly idk why air force asked drdo to remove eots.
Demn

ISRT for Mk1 & ETOS for mk2/mk3 if drdo optical sensor small ammunation, but I give more importance to DAC-MAWS. There is no benefit of EOTS if there us no weapons to take advantage of it.

 

[Hari Sud]

Another video,


Look how large it is. She is gorgeous

Again self praise….