Trump: US designates North Korea a state sponsor of terror, triggering sanctions

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The resolution adopted by the council includes the return home of all North Koreans working overseas within 24 months, and a crackdown on ships smuggling banned items.
Updated: Dec 23, 2017 07:46 IST
Associated Press

US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley (L) speaks with Chinese Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Wu Haitao (R) ahead of the United Nations Security Council session on imposing new sanctions on North Korea, in New York on December 22.(REUTERS)


  • The UN Security Council unanimously approved tough new sanctions against North Korea on Friday in response to its latest launch of a ballistic missile that Pyongyang says is capable of reaching anywhere on the U.S. mainland.

    The resolution adopted by the council includes sharply lower limits on North Korea’s oil imports, the return home of all North Koreans working overseas within 24 months, and a crackdown on ships smuggling banned items including coal and oil to and from the country.

    But the resolution doesn’t include even harsher measures sought by the Trump administration that would ban all oil imports and freeze international assets of the government and its leader, Kim Jong Un.

    The resolution, drafted by the United States and negotiated with China, drew criticism from Russia for the short time the 13 other council nations had to consider the draft, and last-minute changes to the text. Two of those changes were extending the deadline for North Korean workers to return home from 12 months to 24 months and reducing the number of North Koreans being put on the U.N. sanctions blacklist from 19 to 15.
US Ambassador Nikki Haley said after the vote that “the unity this council has shown in leveling these unprecedented sanctions is a reflection of the international outrage at the Kim regime’s actions.”

She recalled that the previous sanctions resolution, when combined with earlier measures, would ban over 90 percent of North Korea’s exports reported in 2016.

That resolution, adopted in response to North Korea’s sixth and strongest nuclear test explosion on Sept. 3, banned North Korea from importing all natural gas liquids and condensates. It also banned all textile exports and prohibited any country from authorizing new work permits for North Korean workers — two key sources of hard currency for the northeast Asian nation.

Haley told the council Friday that the new resolution “bans all remaining categories of major North Korean exports — a loss of nearly $250 million in revenue to the regime.”

Here are key provisions of the new sanctions:

The import of refined oil products, including diesel and kerosene that are key to North Korea’s economy, is capped at 500,000 barrels a year. The U.S. Mission said North Korea imported 4.5 million barrels of refined petroleum in 2016. The new cap represents a nearly 90 percent ban of refined products, and a reduction from the 2 million barrels a year the council authorized in the September resolution.

—The import of crude oil is capped at 4 million barrels a year and countries supplying oil are required to provide quarterly reports to the Security Council committee monitoring sanctions on North Korea.

North Korea is banned from exporting food and agriculture products, machinery, electrical equipment, earth and stones, wood and vessels — and all countries are banned from importing these items.

All countries are banned from exporting industrial machinery, transportation vehicles, iron, steel and other metals to North Korea.

—All countries must expel North Korean workers and safety monitors by the end of 2019. The resolution expresses concern that earnings from these workers are being used to support the country’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs. According to the U.S. Mission, there are nearly 100,000 overseas North Korean workers, with about 50,000 in China and 30,000 in Russia.

—UN member states are authorized to seize, inspect and impound any ship in their ports or territorial waters suspected of being involved in illegal smuggling and evasion of U.N. sanctions. The resolution expresses “great concern” that North Korea is illegally exporting coal and other prohibited items “through deceptive maritime practices and obtaining petroleum illegally through ship-to-ship transfers.”

—All countries are banned from providing insurance or re-insurance to North Korean-affiliated ships believed to be involved in illegal smuggling and sanctions evasion and are required to de-register these vessels.

—Fifteen North Koreans, including 13 representing banks overseas, and the Ministry of the People’s Armed Forces were added to the U.N. sanctions blacklist. The two others facing a travel ban and asset freeze are Kim Jong Sik, identified as a leading official guiding North Korea’s development of weapons of mass destruction, and Ri Pyong Chul, an alternate member of the Political Bureau of the ruling Workers’ Party of Korea and first vice director of the Munitions Industry Department.

North Korea’s test on Nov. 29 of its most powerful intercontinental ballistic missile yet was its 20th launch of a ballistic missile this year, and added to fears that it will soon have a military arsenal that can viably target the U.S. mainland.

British Ambassador Matthew Rycroft said the Security Council was sending “a very strong united signal to the North Korean regime that enough is enough — that they must stop their nuclear program and they must stop their intercontinental ballistic missile program.”

France’s U.N. ambassador, Francois Delattre, said: “We believe maximum pressure today is our best lever to a political and diplomatic solution tomorrow ... (and) our best antidote to the risk of war.”

The new resolution reiterates the Security Council’s regret at North Korea’s “massive diversion of its scarce resources toward its development of nuclear weapons and a number of expensive ballistic missile programs.” It notes that 41 percent of the population is undernourished.

The resolution reaffirms the council’s support for a resumption of six-party talks on North Korea’s nuclear program aimed at the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

It also reiterates the importance of maintaining peace and stability in northeast Asia and “expresses its commitment to a peace, diplomatic and political solution to the situation ... through dialogue.”
 

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Trump: US designates North Korea a state sponsor of terror, triggering sanctions

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/us...nsor-of-terror/articleshow_ucweb/61729248.cms

I dont think kim is sponsoring any terrorists abroad. Only country which deserve this tag is pakistan but yanks give billions to pakis and give major non NATO ally status to pakistan :bplease:
ACtually during the Bush administration john Bolton , robert joseph neo conservatives, who overlooked Pakistani involvment to further their nefarious and dangerous ideas of using Tactical nuclear warheads tipped on bunker busting missiles to eliminate the suspected Iranian Nuclear complex that housed centrifuges to enrich uranium. These chaps had in mind to elimate the Axis of Evil ( NK , Iran , Iraq) using pre emptive stikes and large scale propaganda to hoodwink the congress into allowing them to do so. Pakistan was the means to do it , they turned blind eye to proliferation of Nuke tech and mushrooming of Terrorism started by Gen Zia and continued for better part of Musharraf's regime , in place of continued Pakistan support for maintaining Peace in Afghanistan ..
 

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...f-most-fuel/story-28oMPrvNT1MN0034aB5BeP.html

The resolution adopted by the council includes the return home of all North Koreans working overseas within 24 months, and a crackdown on ships smuggling banned items.
Updated: Dec 23, 2017 07:46 IST
Associated Press

US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley (L) speaks with Chinese Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Wu Haitao (R) ahead of the United Nations Security Council session on imposing new sanctions on North Korea, in New York on December 22.(REUTERS)


  • The UN Security Council unanimously approved tough new sanctions against North Korea on Friday in response to its latest launch of a ballistic missile that Pyongyang says is capable of reaching anywhere on the U.S. mainland.

    The resolution adopted by the council includes sharply lower limits on North Korea’s oil imports, the return home of all North Koreans working overseas within 24 months, and a crackdown on ships smuggling banned items including coal and oil to and from the country.

    But the resolution doesn’t include even harsher measures sought by the Trump administration that would ban all oil imports and freeze international assets of the government and its leader, Kim Jong Un.

    The resolution, drafted by the United States and negotiated with China, drew criticism from Russia for the short time the 13 other council nations had to consider the draft, and last-minute changes to the text. Two of those changes were extending the deadline for North Korean workers to return home from 12 months to 24 months and reducing the number of North Koreans being put on the U.N. sanctions blacklist from 19 to 15.
US Ambassador Nikki Haley said after the vote that “the unity this council has shown in leveling these unprecedented sanctions is a reflection of the international outrage at the Kim regime’s actions.”

She recalled that the previous sanctions resolution, when combined with earlier measures, would ban over 90 percent of North Korea’s exports reported in 2016.

That resolution, adopted in response to North Korea’s sixth and strongest nuclear test explosion on Sept. 3, banned North Korea from importing all natural gas liquids and condensates. It also banned all textile exports and prohibited any country from authorizing new work permits for North Korean workers — two key sources of hard currency for the northeast Asian nation.

Haley told the council Friday that the new resolution “bans all remaining categories of major North Korean exports — a loss of nearly $250 million in revenue to the regime.”

Here are key provisions of the new sanctions:

The import of refined oil products, including diesel and kerosene that are key to North Korea’s economy, is capped at 500,000 barrels a year. The U.S. Mission said North Korea imported 4.5 million barrels of refined petroleum in 2016. The new cap represents a nearly 90 percent ban of refined products, and a reduction from the 2 million barrels a year the council authorized in the September resolution.

—The import of crude oil is capped at 4 million barrels a year and countries supplying oil are required to provide quarterly reports to the Security Council committee monitoring sanctions on North Korea.

North Korea is banned from exporting food and agriculture products, machinery, electrical equipment, earth and stones, wood and vessels — and all countries are banned from importing these items.

All countries are banned from exporting industrial machinery, transportation vehicles, iron, steel and other metals to North Korea.

—All countries must expel North Korean workers and safety monitors by the end of 2019. The resolution expresses concern that earnings from these workers are being used to support the country’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs. According to the U.S. Mission, there are nearly 100,000 overseas North Korean workers, with about 50,000 in China and 30,000 in Russia.

—UN member states are authorized to seize, inspect and impound any ship in their ports or territorial waters suspected of being involved in illegal smuggling and evasion of U.N. sanctions. The resolution expresses “great concern” that North Korea is illegally exporting coal and other prohibited items “through deceptive maritime practices and obtaining petroleum illegally through ship-to-ship transfers.”

—All countries are banned from providing insurance or re-insurance to North Korean-affiliated ships believed to be involved in illegal smuggling and sanctions evasion and are required to de-register these vessels.

—Fifteen North Koreans, including 13 representing banks overseas, and the Ministry of the People’s Armed Forces were added to the U.N. sanctions blacklist. The two others facing a travel ban and asset freeze are Kim Jong Sik, identified as a leading official guiding North Korea’s development of weapons of mass destruction, and Ri Pyong Chul, an alternate member of the Political Bureau of the ruling Workers’ Party of Korea and first vice director of the Munitions Industry Department.

North Korea’s test on Nov. 29 of its most powerful intercontinental ballistic missile yet was its 20th launch of a ballistic missile this year, and added to fears that it will soon have a military arsenal that can viably target the U.S. mainland.

British Ambassador Matthew Rycroft said the Security Council was sending “a very strong united signal to the North Korean regime that enough is enough — that they must stop their nuclear program and they must stop their intercontinental ballistic missile program.”

France’s U.N. ambassador, Francois Delattre, said: “We believe maximum pressure today is our best lever to a political and diplomatic solution tomorrow ... (and) our best antidote to the risk of war.”

The new resolution reiterates the Security Council’s regret at North Korea’s “massive diversion of its scarce resources toward its development of nuclear weapons and a number of expensive ballistic missile programs.” It notes that 41 percent of the population is undernourished.

The resolution reaffirms the council’s support for a resumption of six-party talks on North Korea’s nuclear program aimed at the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

It also reiterates the importance of maintaining peace and stability in northeast Asia and “expresses its commitment to a peace, diplomatic and political solution to the situation ... through dialogue.”
A complete Hogwash is what i say to this resolution, first Tame the bully in this nexus ( PAKISTAN) , it has a long history of supporting NK , with Zulfikar Ali Bhutto with his overtures to NK and his daughter to have gone to NK and requested for their No-dong Missiles for PAK.

If the US doesn't consider PAK as a threat to regional peace and sovereignity then all these sanctions amount to nothing. because China and Pak will still use Virgin states to route any supplies to NK and NK will still continue to Sabre Rattle. If only Trump has the inclination to actually act as a responsible statesman rather than a brash CEO and can convince the Congress to appropriate regulations and also impose Sanctions on Pakistan for its complicity in de-stabalizing regional peace and security. Also it would be apt for him acknowledge his past predecessors and their governent's to have played quite the part in allowing PAK to flourish as a Rogue state.

May be then these resolutions have some teeth to it.
 

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From threatening war to visiting NoKo. What happened?
NoKo's successful ICBM tests, that's what happened.

Even a superpower country is afraid of thermo tipped ICBMs.

This is why India must speed up Agni-6 program.

Show the world our true power.

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Trump Meets With Kim Jong Un After DMZ Visit: "I Was Proud" To Step Over Line Into North Korea



President Donald Trump held a press conference with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un following his visit to the DMZ and sojourn to North Korea. Trump made history on Sunday as the first sitting U.S. president to visit North Korea. Trump called it a "special moment" and a "very important moment" in history and it speaks to the "great relationship" the United States now has with North Korea. He also invited the dictator to visit the White House.

Following their closed-door bilateral meeting, Trump once again spoke to the media. The president emphasized that it is a "very legendary, historic day" and said just the meeting itself is historic.


"The relationship that we have developed has meant so much to many people and it was just an honor to be with you. And it was an honor that you asked me to step over that line. And I was proud to step over that line. I thought that you might do that, I wasn't sure, but I was ready to do it," Trump said later at a press conference.

"I want to thank you. It's been great. Very historic," the president said. "That's what the folks in the media are saying, that it could be a very historic moment."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...proud_to_step_over_line_into_north_korea.html
 

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From threatening war to visiting NoKo. What happened?
NoKo's successful ICBM tests, that's what happened.

Even a superpower country is afraid of thermo tipped ICBMs.

This is why India must speed up Agni-6 program.

Show the world our true power.

_________________________

Trump Meets With Kim Jong Un After DMZ Visit: "I Was Proud" To Step Over Line Into North Korea



President Donald Trump held a press conference with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un following his visit to the DMZ and sojourn to North Korea. Trump made history on Sunday as the first sitting U.S. president to visit North Korea. Trump called it a "special moment" and a "very important moment" in history and it speaks to the "great relationship" the United States now has with North Korea. He also invited the dictator to visit the White House.

Following their closed-door bilateral meeting, Trump once again spoke to the media. The president emphasized that it is a "very legendary, historic day" and said just the meeting itself is historic.


"The relationship that we have developed has meant so much to many people and it was just an honor to be with you. And it was an honor that you asked me to step over that line. And I was proud to step over that line. I thought that you might do that, I wasn't sure, but I was ready to do it," Trump said later at a press conference.

"I want to thank you. It's been great. Very historic," the president said. "That's what the folks in the media are saying, that it could be a very historic moment."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...proud_to_step_over_line_into_north_korea.html
It’s not thermo tipped ICBM, it’s the waste of money that US is afraid off. There is nothing to gain from North Korea for US, not a single cruise missile will every be launched no matter how much North Korea threatens.
 

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It’s not thermo tipped ICBM, it’s the waste of money that US is afraid off. There is nothing to gain from North Korea for US, not a single cruise missile will every be launched no matter how much North Korea threatens.
US tried really hard to do a regime change by sanctions and propaganda but they failed.
US tried to remove commie rule by force but NoKo developed nukes threatening SoKo.
US even tried to do an all out war but NoKo developed ICBMs.
Now US wants to be their buddy knowing that there is a strong chance of 350kt warhead falling on mainland.

This is why ICBMs and MT nukes are required. The power it brings is unimaginable.
Now we can safely say that NoKo is a global power or at least a regional power besides China.

Here in contemporary India people are following self-destructive ideologies of Gandhi and Nehru. They are blinded by fake non-violence nonsense. Our ancestors did develop ICBMs and MT nukes thousands of years ago because they were smart. This why India was a superpower in those days. We can bring our old glory back only if we move in the right direction.


Lets make Agni-6 and MT tests, a national priority.
 

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These are Russia & China. The one who thinks NoKo's nukes make difference to US is an idiot of top order.
Well if that is the case then why US doesn't deal with Russia and China directly regarding NoKo issue? Why they can't put pressure on Russia-China to disarm NoKo?
 

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Well if that is the case then why US doesn't deal with Russia and China directly regarding NoKo issue? Why they can't put pressure on Russia-China to disarm NoKo?
They do. Now, it depends upon Russia & China what they choose to do.

US will directly approach to NoKo too.
 

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They do. Now, it depends upon Russia & China what they choose to do.

US will directly approach to NoKo too.
Makes no sense. Russia and China too have to fear from NoKo's missiles as they too are in their range. Looks like NoKo's ICBM program is mostly ingenious. Making BMs & NWH aren't that complicated anyway.
 

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Makes no sense. Russia and China too have to fear from NoKo's missiles as they too are in their range.
Russia & China don't have any tensions with NoKo. They can bomb North Koreans to extinction with far more lethal weapons if they choose to.
Looks like NoKo's ICBM program is mostly ingenious. Making BMs & NWH aren't that complicated anyway.
There is nothing. No country without adequate R&D funding and testing infrastructure can make things on its own.
 

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Russia & China don't have any tensions with NoKo. They can bomb North Koreans to extinction with far more lethal weapons if they choose to.
They would love to be outside NoKo's BM range. After all it is an unstable state with questionable leadership.

There is nothing. No country without adequate R&D funding and testing infrastructure can make things on its own.
NoKo has surprisingly good R&D. They even have their own working space program. Most likely they derived BMs from their SLVs.
 

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They would love to be outside NoKo's BM range. After all it is an unstable state with questionable leadership.
Questionable to rest of world, NoKo is a puppet state of Russia & China.

ICBM is about posturing. It can't bring NoKo to neck of any great power.
NoKo has surprisingly good R&D. They even have their own working space program. Most likely they derived BMs from their SLVs.
I'm asking again, which R&D? What their R&D budget is. All their stuff I have seen is based upon Russian & Chinese systems.
 

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Questionable to rest of world, NoKo is a puppet state of Russia & China.
Russia and China do support NoKo to some extant but they are outright providing them ICBMs is mare conspiracy theory. If that was the case CIA would've known it first hand. Both would be heavily sanctioned and blacklisted. Which didn't happen.

ICBM is about posturing. It can't bring NoKo to neck of any great power.
Well their ICBMs were enough to pour cold water on USA's regime change plans. They got Yankees scared so much that they are even talking about lifting some sanctions.

I'm asking again, which R&D? What their R&D budget is. All their stuff I have seen is based upon Russian & Chinese systems.
They have NAS and NADA. NoKo is spending good money on R&D no one has any data on how much because NoKo is a secretive state.

In grand scheme it doesn't matter how they got it. it matters that they have it and they are capable of using it. Even a self proclaimed superpower country USA is highly afraid of it. That is power of ICBM.
 

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Russia and China do support NoKo to some extant
They helped NoKo to every extent, every aspect. Economic to military, it's just not possible for such a small poor state without any industrial base or natural resources that even with closed economy to survive on its own.
but they are outright providing them ICBMs is mare conspiracy theory.
North Korea making ICBM and nukes sounds more like a conspiracy theory.

They have been getting rocket motors, missile stages and nuclear centrifuges from Russians for decades.

A hardcore communist state, over that a close ally USSR & PRC, over that in immediate neighbourhood to both, over that hostile to Japan & SoKo (2 key US aliies stationing American military) and over that willing to fight anyone.

What's surprising if Russians provides them ICBM? They provided them nukes. So, ICBM isn't big deal.
Well their ICBMs were enough to pour cold water on USA's regime change plans. They got Yankees scared so much that they are even talking about lifting some sanctions.
US couldn't change regime when DPRK didn't have nukes or ICBMs. It kept on tightening and lifting sanctions even then on.
They have NAS and NADA. NoKo is spending good money on R&D no one has any data on how much because NoKo is a secretive state.
How much good money? North Korea's GDP is smaller than defense budgets of great and middle powers.

There is no logic. What has been happening with USSR & its satellite and successor states for past 6 decades, is very much reasonable to anticipate what would have happened.
If NoKo was any capable, it would have allied technologies also, not the one only it masters chose it to provide with.
In grand scheme it doesn't matter how they got it. it matters that they have it and they are capable of using it. Even a self proclaimed superpower country USA is highly afraid of it. That is power of ICBM.
Delusions go on, Israel is afraid of Jordan, Ukraine can defeat USSR, Pakistan is rival of India, UK can outshine France/Germany in Europe or West is "scared" (LOL) of North Korea.

Whenever the stronger party loses patience, RR for human rights will start.
 

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They helped NoKo to every extent, every aspect.
Maybe you forgot the part where Russia China joined rest of the world in sanctions against NoKo.


North Korea making ICBM and nukes sounds more like a conspiracy theory.
Well they are making it so no conspiracy here.

They have a successful space program and many institutions that help in science and technology. They have massive uranium reserves in their countries.

https://www.nknews.org/2014/08/what-lies-beneath-north-koreas-uranium-deposits/

They have been getting rocket motors, missile stages and nuclear centrifuges from Russians for decades.
Many countries do that but they aren't ICBM wielding nuke power like NoKo.

A hardcore communist state, over that a close ally USSR & PRC, over that in immediate neighbourhood to both, over that hostile to Japan & SoKo (2 key US aliies stationing American military) and over that willing to fight anyone.
What's surprising if Russians provides them ICBM? They provided them nukes. So, ICBM isn't big deal.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Russia provided them nukes. USSR did help them with centrifuges for their civilian program but they developed nukes on their own. Same with ICBMs. USSR helped them with low level BM help but they expended that program to ICBM level on their own.


US couldn't change regime when DPRK didn't have nukes or ICBMs. It kept on tightening and lifting sanctions even then on.
It was USSR and CCP's nukes and ICBMs that kept uncle sam away from NoKo.

USA when only they had nukes were treating them like crown jewels. They had plans to reduce conventional force and fight future wars only with nukes. They tested nukes in space too as a blanket A-Sat weapon. They even had one project where mines and tunnels were to be dug with nukes.

Its only when "others" started getting nukes USA spooked out. Uncle started working overtime to limit number of countries with nukes by introducing NPT, CTBT, MTCR, etc. nonsense.

USA knew that only nukes are enough to win wars, if everybody have them then everyone would be equal to that of a superpower. Even Russia agreed to some extant to prevent rise of small countries to reach their level.

This is why nobody helped anybody to get nuclear expect USSR who helped China becoming nuclear. After China's backstabbing USSR too stopped helping. USA helped UK and france but quickly realized danger and forced them to completely phase out their ICBMs and only allowed to use trident SLBMs which are still today under control by US. Only Israel is given full control of their nukes but that too under very tough conditions.

How much good money? North Korea's GDP is smaller than defense budgets of great and middle powers.
Meaningless to compare GDP in dollar terms of an isolated nation. However such comparison is meaningless anyway because it doesn't require that much money for BMs and nukes.

Let this fact be clear only thing west is scared of is nukes raining on their cities. An ICBM can turn that nightmare into reality.
 

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Maybe you forgot the part where Russia China joined rest of the world in sanctions against NoKo.
When set of actions becomes serious, it's obvious that all countries in UNSC will push sanctions against you. India faced no difference.
Well they are making it so no conspiracy here.

They have a successful space program and many institutions that help in science and technology. They have massive uranium reserves in their countries.

https://www.nknews.org/2014/08/what-lies-beneath-north-koreas-uranium-deposits/
It's not a conspiracy. North Korea is not some sort of great scientific power.

Without being capable of funding and having test platforms, no industrial and test facilities, no country can do it on its own. North Korea buys stages and engines like Pakistan.

"Successful space program"? Elaborate
Many countries do that but they aren't ICBM wielding nuke power like NoKo.
NoKo is direct proxy against USA, others aren't. They have been provided with capabilities to stand against country they are subjected against.
I don't think Russia provided them nukes. USSR did help them with centrifuges for their civilian program but they developed nukes on their own.
NoKo had a thermonuclear test at first attempt. As holding the hydrogen apparatus during first stage is critical & difficult, the design wouldn't have been created by DPRK itself at least.
Same with ICBMs. USSR helped them with low level BM help but they expended that program to ICBM level on their own.
For that, they would need bigger rocket motors, spin stabilized boosters, upper stages & navigation systems.

In year 2017,
Number of MCTR defined technologies produced by the following nations out of total 94 technologies in year 2017:
India : 81
Pakistan : 39
China : 92
Iran: 21
Israel: 74
Turkey: 4
USA:94
UK:94
Russia:94
France: 93
Japan: 93
Saudi Arabia:0
North Korea:25
South Africa : 34
South Korea: 42
Vietnam: 0

http://www.mtcr.info/english/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf
It was USSR and CCP's nukes and ICBMs that kept uncle sam away from NoKo.
USSR & PRC still do. North Korea can't save itself even by nukes. It will be obliterated and totally devastated by Japan or West even without nukes.
USA when only they had nukes were treating them like crown jewels. They had plans to reduce conventional force and fight future wars only with nukes.
USA knows about fallout better than you. Exploding an MT device in or Russia or China will send impact to Europe.
USA knew that only nukes are enough to win wars
USA too knew the consequences. They made such big conventional forces for a reason. They have much more than nukdepth
if everybody have them then everyone would be equal to that of a superpower.
Not a superpower but making world more dangerous.
For example, a weak country like North Korea or Pakistan will most obviously use nukes in a very short time span of war to protect its existence.

Dimension of power even in nuclear aspect is added through anti missile systems, delivery systems, second strike capability and reconnaissance abilities.

Any country's size and strategic depth itself plays a big role. You don't need so many nukes to wipe out NoKo or Israel from map unlike Russia.
Meaningless to compare GDP in dollar terms of an isolated nation.
In which terms we measure then. An isolated small nation with communist regime can't be prosperous by any standard.
However such comparison is meaningless anyway because it doesn't require that much
Provided that you get it from your masters for granted.
Let this fact be clear only thing west is scared of is nukes raining on their cities.
"Scared" is an exaggerated word. More appropriate is "worried". Unlike North Korea who sees entire population as canon fodder, West doesn't want to bear civilian losses. Same as that of India who has been avoiding too much escalation with Pakistan after 1998.

"Nukes raining on western cities" itself is childish world. Raining is something actually only West can perform. North Korea is light years behind that. Even the couple of nukes NoKo launches, will get intercepted, concern is "if they miss one".

Clearly, the question is about how much loss west will bear in war. Because it's undisputed that North Korea will be wiped out off the map of earth in case of such a war.
 

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