Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian terrorist

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The topmost echelons within the GoI were always aware of the risks involved. But they proceeded regardless cuz they were adamant on sending a message in response to everything our diplomats have been subjected to. Why do the RR now? It's not like they were caught off gurad or anything...
GOI definitely gamed it.

Even if we take hits, the bigger message has gone across to US, UK, Canada and Australia.
The status quo was hurting India.
 

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You know that GOI has neutered even retired officials.. by threatening to withhold pension if they write stuff without prior government approval.... so the real truth will never come out..
If the committee has not "held any rogue RAW agent responsible".. then there should be soon a denial by Indian officials..
ours is westminister model of bureaucracy where there are tight controls on bureaucracy even after retirement. this is different from U.S model, which has independence given to agencies and bureaucrats depending on where they are placed in the federal and state hierarchy. since most of our pop culture is based on U.S, there is a presumption that India too operates that way, but we do not.
 

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You know that GOI has neutered even retired officials.. by threatening to withhold pension if they write stuff without prior government approval.... so the real truth will never come out..
If the committee has not "held any rogue RAW agent responsible".. then there should be soon a denial by Indian officials..
OSA act has been enforced since pre independence times and even after independence. Its just that some regimes get the highlight (in media as gagging of FOE) while some are brushed under the carpet. Read about Maj Gen VK Singh, how he was treated when he tried to expose irregularities within Katcha
 

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This game was played at the highest levels.. At the levels of President of US and Prime Minister of India.. I am pretty sure that Biden ditching Indian Republic Day celebrations was also part of this game..and it created lots of pressure on Modi ..
 

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Hope so.. and by the way.. India hasn't appointed any Ambassador to the US since Sandhu retired on 31st Jan.. That says something.. Hope India is not taking this lying down..
India has always acted unrelenting when it comes to NatSec. From invading pakis to carving out a bangladesh and from carpet bombing Mizoram hills to testing nukes - we have never ever compromised. GoI will keep doing whatever it takes to keep things that way - a brief look at the history of the modern day republic of India will confirm as much.

It was not so tight before.. The rules have gotten even tighter during the current government.. especially there have been memoirs of retired Intelligence officials published in the past, which rarely happens now..

Also, such tight control and top down approach, precludes any notion that this operation against Pannun was not cleared at the highest levels of the government
Oh, it was absolutely cleared at the highest levels of the GoI. It is the US we are talking about, hehe.
 

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ours is westminister model of bureaucracy where there are tight controls on bureaucracy even after retirement. this is different from U.S model, which has independence given to agencies and bureaucrats depending on where they are placed in the federal and state hierarchy. since most of our pop culture is based on U.S, there is a presumption that India too operates that way, but we do not.
It was not so tight before.. The rules have gotten even tighter during the current government.. especially there have been memoirs of retired Intelligence officials published in the past, which rarely happens now..
Also, such tight control and top down approach, precludes any notion that this operation against Pannun was not cleared at the highest levels of the government
 

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Also, such tight control and top down approach, precludes any notion that this operation against Pannun was not cleared at the highest levels of the government
take into consideration that if you are reading the source based news that way, it is because ex-NDTV guy employed by bloomberg wants you to read it that way.
 

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take into consideration that if you are reading the source based news that way, it is because ex-NDTV guy employed by bloomberg wants you to read it that way.
Yes but I won't be surprised if the contours of the final settlement between India and the US on this issue are now emerging. From the American point of view, a rouge agent makes the Indian government non-liable, this might be a "face-saver" they are offering / wanting . Let's see.
 

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Yes but I won't be surprised if the contours of the final settlement between India and the US on this issue are now emerging. From the American point of view, a rouge agent makes the Indian government non-liable, this might be a "face-saver" they are offering / wanting . Let's see.
incidentally was watching a episode of south park yesterday, where one of the characters comes to the realisation that he has to become a good christian, next thing he does is starts implementing a divide and rule campaign along with a whisper campaign on a friend he is upset with.

ofcourse by end of the episode, the writers managed to redeem the cupid as being under bad influence. donno if such redemption arc is given to non-christian characters in their pop culture.

this is to say, that's the way anglos play their game, it's their SOP. what can we do other than anticipate their moves, play ball by ball on merit, preferably without playing a rash shot and lose a wicket.
 

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this is not India specific. so far whatever has transpired is within the realm of what usually transpires in that line of work.

the accuser country said, they have proof of illegal activity by another state on their soil.
the accused country, denied association with the illegal activity.

years down the line, it will another stick to beat the accused country with, will be used by U.S politicians in their hearings whenever they give into pressure from their constituents pressure groups.
True only because of the power differential b/w the two countries,

such ops will be approved at highest level. while implementing it , just one slipup-forgot that US fed agencies actively fish bait through their informers/undercover agents against such ops.
As one Western official put it succinctly - how dare Indians try in west ,what they were doing in South Asia .

Most eves dropping communication equipment of raw are anyway of US origin (allegedly).

Good lesson to change ,try to develop indigenous alternatives, also learn from how the plot was unravelled - just like how pokhran was possible,due to past failures to hide from US snooping.
 
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On a longer perspective it's net positive for India.

1.The abrahamic whites, will think twice before playing Khali, green or hooman card on us, what if Indians retaliate?

2. Indian agents should be made aware of the fact that most criminal, terrorist, narco organisation are run with blessings of US agencies or they have informers deeply embedded.

3. Things are not the same , whites can't put the genie back in the bottle, India has made its point , it's fed up of them nurturing, indian terrorist on their soil.

4. It will always be India was the rest white developed world. Trudeaus allegations didn't happen in isolation, they , collaborate actively.

It's not coincidence that there are Khalis in UK, US,Canada, Germany and these countries provided for and nurtured Khalis.
 

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"British intelligence had voiced unhappiness on several occasions over the increasing involvement of the R&AW in Sikh diaspora politics in the UK. Earlier, in 2012, as head of the R&AW’s London station, Goel was caught in a major controversy when British intelligence agencies claimed that he was seeking to recruit Khalistan-linked figures already in their service."

Only part worth reading in the article,rest is brown coolie musings.

 

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Why to fear?

And why not just own as Mossad do?

Even a country like Bangladesh has bumped off one Mujibur Rehman killer in a western country in the past.

Pannun is a full on CIA asset that's it. His masters will try to save his ass. He calls for assassination of Prime Minister and Ambassadors. He calls for anarchy. He is one juicy target for us.

This maybe a setback for us. But hunt will not stop and that can be assured.
No fear. Don't get me wrong, i questioned only the manner of the operation, not the act itself.
 

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Aren't you reading a bit too much into an article attributed to unnamed sources? They are just maintaining their record of planting one such article every month.
Why I put in a disclaimer in one of my posts. You may well be right about the plant, I did say my remarks were made premised on the fact that the story as stated was true.
 

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