Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian terrorist

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Ultimate question is, what north americans want to achieve from this?
1) Democrat party has lot of anti-india donors, they are repaying thier masters and also dems need support for their upcoming elections. Its all politically motivated.
2) They want to vacate indian intelligence people from their land and create a safe heaven for extremists.

Both goals are achieved.
It's basically

 

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He is just saying shall Amriki also indict israelis.. if that comes to fructation?
Yes.. US has caught and Prosecuted Israeli spies.. Although GOI won't have as much leeway as Israel, India should be able to manage.. I guess we hold some cards as well..

 

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I think GOI agencies and Indian media made big mistake of not encircling US about the footage of Pannun threatening to bomb Indian airlines Air India during Diwali/cricket worldcup.
How employee encircles employer. India depends on US corporations and tech to provide jobs and survive.

take this example:

US media never covers Indian govt press briefings.

But Indian media bootlicks US govt press briefings. Because for them everything valued in TRP.

Its US that invested in and controls media industrial complex, not India.

Most people dont know but China spends $10 Billion dollars on global narrative. Apart from its wumao army, they literally spends cash on individuals, politicians, News media companies to put its country in good looks. There is also fear of elimination by CCP.

Just look at what fib directory said, Every week US agencies open a case against chinese nationals, but you never hear about them in popular US News websites.

Money is the ultimate master in US, neither empathy nor friendship.
 

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Yes.. US has caught and Prosecuted Israeli spies.. Although GOI won't have as much leeway as Israel, India should be able to manage.. I guess we hold some cards as well..

And promptly let go in many instances. Heck they could not do much in khasoggi case wrt Saudi except throw hands in exasperation.
 

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And promptly let go in many instances. Heck they could not do much in khasoggi case wrt Saudi except throw hands in exasperation.
US forced Saudi Arabia to convict and sentence 5 intelligence agents to 20 years in prison. US couldn't isolate MBS, but they did extract their pound of flesh..

 

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The amount of seething in gora sahib and his brown coolies.

Anyway" Those diplomats also point to the sloppiness of the plot, as detailed in the court documents, which seems at odds with the sophistication of some top Indian security officials."

26/11 and recent event common links, paxthan,kanada ,dea informer.

 

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US forced Saudi Arabia to convict and sentence 5 intelligence agents to 20 years in prison. US couldn't isolate MBS, but they did extract their pound of flesh..

They named MBS. And US had to do lot of grovelling to appease MBS latter. Saudi made moves in order to be more closer with China. Did you not see Iran Saud brokered deal by China? Thats erosion of US influence in region after decades.
 

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They named MBS. And US had to do lot of grovelling to appease MBS latter. Saudi made moves in order to be more closer with China. Did you not see Iran Saud brokered deal by China? Thats erosion of US influence in region after decades.
Saudi is still completely dependent on US Security.. Neither far-off China /Russia can take that role.. And Saudi Iran rapprochement is only skin deep.. US needs the Saudis too, and they reconciled.. but with US the biggest producer of both oil and gas, the balance of power is firmly in US favor.. and the reconciliation happened after the Muricans extracted their pound of flesh.
As I said, the US forced Saudis to convict its agents..
 

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of the possibilities, that have been presented so far. we will need a few more factual data points to figure out which lobby is behind this.
Saar why are you looking for lobby. It made sense looking for lobby during Trump time. Now anti India lobby itself is in power. Other than acknowledging obvious we are scouring for "my friend talbot" in current regime it seems.
 

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Saar why are you looking for lobby. It made sense looking for lobby during Trump time. Now anti India lobby itself is in power. Other than acknowledging obvious we are scouring for "my friend talbot" in current regime it seems.
GoI's domestic and foreign policy response depends on the lobby, lobby determines what they want to negotiate for.

  • if it is ISI lobby, it could mean attempts to paint India as bad actor same as Pakjab, establish false equivalence.
  • if it is empty space lobby, it could mean they are scared, had to involve big daddy to save their ass since trudeau failed.
  • if it is immigration/drugs gangs lobby, it could mean they are feeling the pinch somewhere.
  • if it is CIA, it could be something related to access to headley and rana.
  • if it is FBI, it could be a fishing exercise to find out how much info RAW has from within U.S.
  • if it is justice department, it could be related to soros, since he is spending money on DA elections recently.
  • if it is white house, it could mean 2024 elections, china, COP28, could be anything.
  • if it is a straight forward, and things are as they seem, then we are unnecessarily getting worried.
by keeping it as broad based as US govt, anything and everything will look like a conspiracy, this case is not such a big trump card for U.S that it can be used for something like selling civilian nuclear power reactors.

and most importantly, for the level of tolerance to threat levels that Indian state has, panun is a nobody, just nuisance value nothing else.
 
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…a group of Indian citizens financing hits in those countries.

Maybe far fetched but a thought that occurred to me.
Very remote … coz if true it results in huge headaches for MEA to “massage” convicing press releases AND for GoI to maintain cordial relations with western economies.

So no, it can’t be any rajesh from street. Has to be the suit-boot raajesh.
 

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police say there is no such person of interest.

Most probably Guptaji is like that person who claimed asylum in kanada or it's neighbour saying he is being persecuted in Bharat. Actually he fled sexual assault charges from here. Was able to even hoodwink the UN and signed MOU as an NGO.
 

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GoI's domestic and foreign policy response depends on the lobby, lobby determines what they want to negotiate for.

  • if it is ISI lobby, it could mean attempts to paint India as bad actor same as Pakjab, establish false equivalence.
  • if it is empty space lobby, it could mean they are scared, had to involve big daddy to save their ass since trudeau failed.
  • if it is immigration/drugs gangs lobby, it could mean they are feeling the pinch somewhere.
  • if it is CIA, it could be something related to access to headley and rana.
  • if it is FBI, it could be a fishing exercise to find out how much info RAW has from within U.S.
  • if it is justice department, it could be related to soros, since he is spending money on DA elections recently.
  • if it is white house, it could mean 2024 elections, china, COP28, could be anything.
  • if it is a straight forward, and things are as they seem, then we are unnecessarily getting worried.
by keeping it as broad based as US govt, anything and everything will look like a conspiracy, this case is not such a big trump card for U.S that it can be used for something like selling civilian nuclear power reactors.

and most importantly, for the level of tolerance to threat levels that Indian state has, panun is a nobody, just nuisance value nothing else.
I think we're reading too much into it. It could very well be a case of the Americans not tolerating alien forces executing an US citizen on their own soil irrespective of the charges against him / her. That's their red line. Like the Saudis we may well differentiate between US citizens who're naturalized from those born there as in the Kashoggi case. But the US doesn't for the simple reason that once they accept such distinctions they'd open up a Pandora's Box.

And every such case must have a court trial as the law demands. There's simply no getting around this fact. All considerations like Panun being a separatist or a terrorist indulging in such activities follow . However under no circumstances can that be a pretext for an alien government to assassinate an US citizen that too on their soil. The bottom line being the US decides what it should do with vectors like Panun & countries like India ought to fall in line.
 

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GoI's domestic and foreign policy response depends on the lobby, lobby determines what they want to negotiate for.

  • if it is ISI lobby, it could mean attempts to paint India as bad actor same as Pakjab, establish false equivalence.
  • if it is empty space lobby, it could mean they are scared, had to involve big daddy to save their ass since trudeau failed.
  • if it is immigration/drugs gangs lobby, it could mean they are feeling the pinch somewhere.
  • if it is CIA, it could be something related to access to headley and rana.
  • if it is FBI, it could be a fishing exercise to find out how much info RAW has from within U.S.
  • if it is justice department, it could be related to soros, since he is spending money on DA elections recently.
  • if it is white house, it could mean 2024 elections, china, COP28, could be anything.
  • if it is a straight forward, and things are as they seem, then we are unnecessarily getting worried.
by keeping it as broad based as US govt, anything and everything will look like a conspiracy, this case is not such a big trump card for U.S that it can be used for something like selling civilian nuclear power reactors.

and most importantly, for the level of tolerance to threat levels that Indian state has, panun is a nobody, just nuisance value nothing else.
Holtec international wants to build hundreds of small nuclear reactors in India. The owner Krishnapal Singh (he originally comes from my neighbourimg village Barahiya) was quoted as saying that "I cannot even employ one Indian citizen in my company, such is the US laws on nuclear tech, only if Indian govt asks US govt to allow nuclear tech export, we can set up our base, we want to build hundreds of small nuclear reactors in India. Biden govt has to do nothing, even an executive order would do."
Dr Krishnapal Singh had also given 500 crore rupees to Pradhanmantri kosh during Covid maybe as part of lobbying.
 

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I think we're reading too much into it. It could very well be a case of the Americans not tolerating alien forces executing an US citizen on their own soil irrespective of the charges against him / her. That's their red line. Like the Saudis we may well differentiate between US citizens who're naturalized from those born there as in the Kashoggi case. But the US doesn't for the simple reason that once they accept such distinctions they'd open up a Pandora's Box.

And every such case must have a court trial as the law demands. There's simply no getting around this fact. All considerations like Panun being a separatist or a terrorist indulging in such activities follow . However under no circumstances can that be a pretext for an alien government to assassinate an US citizen that too on their soil. The bottom line being the US decides what it should do with vectors like Panun & countries like India ought to fall in line.
yup, for U.S as a responsible nation state, it's a fair expectation for themselves.

but we need to know how GoI got dragged into this, more so if this is a case of entrapment.
 

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