Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian terrorist

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Then it should perhaps be worded like "If the US sees Hamas as a terrorist organisation, then they should extend that label to any Khalistani group".
 

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So.. this alleged Nikhil Gupta Handler.. Indian official.. is ex CRPF.. IPS ..
If what the US alleges is true (big if) then this is serious incompetence from Indian Intelligence.. [Big if .. let's see]
For starters: an IPS officer serving in the IB/R&AW is not designated a "field officer", that is a very low rank (sub inspector rank or lower).

The whole story is made-up. The most realistic scenario is that a puny drug dealer took it upon himself to eliminate Pannun so that he could get into the good books of the Indian Intel agencies.

FBI will end up looking like a fool. On the positive side, Khalistanis know now that they are not safe anywhere. They will feel the presence of "unknown men" in shadows, under their beds and inside their closets. :scared2:
 

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An expert on RAA (there exists one in foreign academic circle(ofcourse brown)) said RAA doesn't do such things - it bribes or follows divide and rule policy .

Woke baby PM took most of the anger from bharatis for his master. A good tactic by Ameerkhan.

Anyway this mostly follows Hollywood movies
a) ameerkhan taps all electronic communication
b)most drug dealers are informers of DEA.
 

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There should be no urgency in giving them a free pass

I am not calling them "harmless". I am not calling them India's friends either. They are the "express" edition of Iran. This is just that they are preoccupied with Israel and Israel is preoccupied with them.

I am just saying that they don't deserve our complete attention at the moment. No need to poke them even with a long stick.
 

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I am not calling them "harmless". I am not calling them India's friends either. They are the "express" edition of Iran. This is just that they are preoccupied with Israel and Israel is preoccupied with them.

I am just saying that they don't deserve our complete attention at the moment. No need to poke them even with a long stick.
Kuch bhi, Why Hamas, our game is against US deep state ?? Just start funding BLM rioters and double down on sending fentanyl or similar drugs unapologetically.
 

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Kuch bhi, Why Hamas, our game is against US deep state ?? Just start funding BLM rioters and double down on sending fentanyl or similar drugs unapologetically.
That is what I said, HAMAS vs Israel is not our fight. Labeling HAMAS a terror organization doesn't serve our interests.

IMO, this whole drama does more harm than good to the Khalistan cause. I am not sure what does the US want to achieve.
 

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Here is my final conclusion

US' law enforcement agencies are duty-bound to investigate all "crimes" committed on the US soil. FBI is doing just that. The whole process till now has been carried out under the constraints of Law & Order, by the rule book. Nothing unusual has happened.

From that perspective, US' conduct has been very different from Canada's where the Prime Minister threw unsubstantiated allegations against a foreign government even before the investigation could begin, forcing the Indian government to react in the manner we did.

We haven't heard any political statement from the US government till now, neither have we heard any response from the Indian government. It is the media that is producing most of the noise.

We must not look too deeply into it. This issue will die down unless the US government tries to enforce something outside the purview of the usual judicial/legal process.
 

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Here is my final conclusion

US' law enforcement agencies are duty-bound to investigate all "crimes" committed on the US soil. FBI is doing just that. The whole process till now has been carried out under the constraints of Law & Order, by the rule book. Nothing unusual has happened.

From that perspective, US' conduct has been very different from Canada's where the Prime Minister threw unsubstantiated allegations against a foreign government even before the investigation could begin, forcing the Indian government to react in the manner we did.

We haven't heard any political statement from the US government till now, neither have we heard any response from the Indian government. It is the media that is producing most of the noise.

We must not look too deeply into it. This issue will die down unless the US government tries to enforce something outside the purview of the usual judicial/legal process.
CIA chief and NSA Chief have already pressed for investigation with India.. which led GOI to constitute a high level committee.. The judicial process involves a cross border murder attempt.. So, there is already US diplomatic pressure on India..
Now, whether US will continue to exert diplomatic pressure on India, We will have to wait and watch..
 

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India should make a formal declaration that the Khalistanis are equivalent to Hamas( though not a one to one equivalence). So if Hamas is banned in the US, so should any Khalistani group. But is it that the Indian government doesn't want to indirectly label Hamas as a terror organisation, for fear of upsetting a lobby or community.
Hamas has not yet been designated a terrorist organisation by the UN. India's position could be to follow the UN's lead in the matter.
 

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CIA chief and NSA Chief have already pressed for investigation with India.. which led GOI to constitute a high level committee.. The judicial process involves a cross border murder attempt.. So, there is already US diplomatic pressure on India..
Now, whether US will continue to exert diplomatic pressure on India, We will have to wait and watch..
The entire exercise in investigation is a good example of shadow boxing. Assuming CC-1 is an Indian intelligence operative do the Americans seriously expect India to investigate the issue honestly & incriminate itself ? It depends on how much the US wants to escalate the issue . Otherwise the issue will die a natural death .

What the US will do is probably read the riot act to India asking it desist from such adventurous behaviour in the future . This obviously doesn't address Indian concerns of why does the US harbour such elements & what does the US propose to do to curb the activities of such elements on its soil including spreading unrest in India & engineering murders here .

I personally think it's reset time on this aspect of our relationship with the US the day both decide to be honest with each other. Both will draw red lines & expect the other to respect it .
 

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The entire exercise in investigation is a good example of shadow boxing. Assuming CC-1 is an Indian intelligence operative do the Americans seriously expect India to investigate the issue honestly & incriminate itself ? It depends on how much the US wants to escalate the issue . Otherwise the issue will die a natural death .

What the US will do is probably read the riot act to India asking it desist from such adventurous behaviour in the future . This obviously doesn't address Indian concerns of why does the US harbour such elements & what does the US propose to do to curb the activities of such elements on its soil including spreading unrest in India & engineering murders here .

I personally think it's reset time on this aspect of our relationship with the US the day both decide to be honest with each other. Both will draw red lines & expect the other to respect it .
And soon after, all the anti Russia morons who were talking on the Ukraine thread about allying with US, would brush off this incident, just like they brushed off 1971, arms aid to Pakistan, the sanctions, and all those other anti India actions by the US.

For those of us who have brains and memories, though, there is nothing new or surprising about what's happening. Same old US.
 

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Digest these reports with a pinch of salt, this one is The Print after all, and the report quotes dates back to the June of 2023. The US would have waited for a formal indictment and then declared these people as persona-non-grata had the US decided to play an ugly game.

The report itself proves that there is a limitation to the extent the US might push it. The US itself does not want to turn this into a diplomatic slugfest, unlike Canada which publicly named and expelled an Indian diplomat.

And what if India has also taken tit-for-tat measures that haven't been reported so far?

India had previously exposed the "CIA station head" in Bangladesh after the US tried to subvert one of the investigations that led to purge of the local CIA assets within the ranks and files of Bangladesh's establishment including the military (resulting in the trial and indictment of around a dozen people or more). Why do you think that the US is so angry with the current Bangladeshi establishment?
 
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Digest these reports with a pinch of salt, this one is The Print after all, and the report quotes dates back to the June of 2023. The US would have waited for a formal indictment and then declared these people as persona-non-grata had the US decided to play an ugly game.

The report itself proves that there is a limitation to the extent the US might push it. The US itself does not want to turn this into a diplomatic slugfest, unlike Canada which publicly named and expelled an Indian diplomat.

And what if India has also taken tit-for-tat measures that haven't been reported so far?

India had previously exposed the "CIA station head" in Bangladesh after the US tried to subvert one of the investigations that led to purge of the local CIA assets within the ranks and files of Bangladesh's establishment including the military (resulting in the trial and indictment of around a dozen people or more). Why do you think that the US is so angry with the current Bangladeshi establishment?
India can do the tit for tat to USA, these actions can be reciprocated.

USA or CIA are no exception when it comes to National integrity or interests. I think India will reciprocate based on the actions taken by US.
 
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