Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian terrorist

Indrajit

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 27, 2018
Messages
3,955
Likes
14,999
Country flag
India denied Canada's allegations of GOI involvement in Nijjar murder.

Now, with US allegations about Indian Intelligence involvement public.. let us see what MEA response is..
No GoI involvement is alleged here. Yet. MEA should just say we are looking into the matter. This is very weird stuff. If there are intelligence guys involved, this is not how it would normally play out. Allegations and evidence can be constructed for Americans too.

The whole thing is very funny smelling. Truth may be stranger than fiction but this is crazy stuff. The guy (CC1)is in some tearing hurry to eliminate multiple people across countries and he talks directly with a drug dealer? Then proceeds to vomit out info and gives video evidence of murder? To some drug dealer? The drug dealer then directly speaks to a hitman personally?
 

ezsasa

Designated Cynic
Mod
Joined
Jul 12, 2014
Messages
31,394
Likes
145,397
Country flag
anyone has that vivek ramaswamy's clip on something about a large percentage of criminal cases in their legal system being there because their justice system triggering the sequence of events. as in, if they didn't make their first move on the defendant there won't be a crime/case in the first place.

don't remember the exact judicial lingo.
 

Indrajit

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 27, 2018
Messages
3,955
Likes
14,999
Country flag
The US wouldn't have moved the courts if they weren't serious about this issue . Further they're stupid if they believe we'd fall for their bait & self incriminate ourselves.

I also find it mysterious to say the least that while they were aware an Indian government operative was involved in this case from the very beginning how's it he was allowed to leave the US . Even if the said diplomat enjoyed diplomatic immunity, the US could insist on the said person not leaving the US till they pressed charges or they could have declared him persona non grata.
Oh, the Americans are serious alright. My reference is to GoI's actions. If they were going to do something on this....
 

mokoman

Senior Member
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
6,138
Likes
33,587
Country flag
Weird stuff. Some government official sent a video of a murder to a drug dealer? Implicating himself and giving the drug dealer solid evidence of not just an attempted murder but also a different murder? Talks about multiple targets that "we" have? If CC1 exists, we are dealing with a very weird guy. Unless his aim was to implicate himself and maybe others....he picks a guy who has to shop around for a hitman?...and picks an undercover officer..? This is the stuff of estranged spouses, not a professional job.

So many things are very off here. Boggles the mind.
its a setup staged by USA . sad to see indian OSINT celebrating it .

maybe they will escalate , release ID of some gov employee as CC-1 fellow and implicate him .
 

Tejbrahmastra

Regular Member
Joined
Aug 26, 2022
Messages
624
Likes
4,417
Country flag

Indrajit

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 27, 2018
Messages
3,955
Likes
14,999
Country flag
its a setup staged by USA . sad to see indian OSINT celebrating it .

maybe they will escalate , release ID of some gov employee as CC-1 fellow and implicate him .
Looks likely. In any case, when they get the Gupta guy, he will try for a plea deal . Name coming out is inevitable unless the US government intervenes and the way this whole thing is being orchestrated, I doubt that will happen without extraction of requisite pound of flesh.
 

assassin162

Regular Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2019
Messages
998
Likes
6,576
Country flag
No GoI involvement is alleged here. Yet. MEA should just say we are looking into the matter. This is very weird stuff. If there are intelligence guys involved, this is not how it would normally play out. Allegations and evidence can be constructed for Americans too.

The whole thing is very funny smelling. Truth may be stranger than fiction but this is crazy stuff. The guy (CC1)is in some tearing hurry to eliminate multiple people across countries and he talks directly with a drug dealer? Then proceeds to vomit out info and gives video evidence of murder? To some drug dealer? The drug dealer then directly speaks to a hitman personally?
This opens a range of possibilities for Indian govt to deal with US.
Indian govt also now has option to incriminate at it's choosing, some US low level diplomat of propagating Khalistan or naxalism or another shit.
I am not saying we will do it but it just opens the options.... Of how to deal with US's intereference going ahead.
 

Jimih

Senior Member
Joined
May 20, 2021
Messages
20,602
Likes
123,877
Country flag
This opens a range of possibilities for Indian govt to deal with US.
Indian govt also now has option to incriminate at it's choosing, some US low level diplomat of propagating Khalistan or naxalism or another shit.
I am not saying we will do it but it just opens the options.... Of how to deal with US's intereference going ahead.
Best tactic will be to 'kill the chicken to scare away the monkey'.

India shouldnt stop belting Canada. Hit the slave and master will be awry.

NSA gave ample hints about Canadian diplomats being involved in Khalistan secessionist activities in India.

Make a list and leak it to media.
 
Joined
Feb 16, 2009
Messages
29,752
Likes
48,098
Country flag
This opens a range of possibilities for Indian govt to deal with US.
Indian govt also now has option to incriminate at it's choosing, some US low level diplomat of propagating Khalistan or naxalism or another shit.
I am not saying we will do it but it just opens the options.... Of how to deal with US's intereference going ahead.
after constantly being defensive and getting some leverage (and not using) indian government
should not have taken such a docile position.
 

Master Chief

Senior Member
Joined
May 5, 2022
Messages
4,121
Likes
14,134
Country flag
The US wouldn't have moved the courts if they weren't serious about this issue . Further they're stupid if they believe we'd fall for their bait & self incriminate ourselves.

I also find it mysterious to say the least that while they were aware an Indian government operative was involved in this case from the very beginning how's it he was allowed to leave the US . Even if the said diplomat enjoyed diplomatic immunity, the US could insist on the said person not leaving the US till they pressed charges or they could have declared him persona non grata.
Gupta met the Intelligence agent in Delhi.. Guess.. the alleged agent was never in the US..
 

Azaad

Senior Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2022
Messages
5,624
Likes
20,501
Country flag
Gupta met the Intelligence agent in Delhi.. Guess.. the alleged agent was never in the US..
This Gupta character is the weak link . Either he's entered into a plea bargain with the FBI & is singing like a canary or he's being blackmailed by them to co operate in lieu of sparing him in some other case.

And if what you're suggesting is true it means the US has as weak a case as the Canadians . It gives the GoI plausible deniability.
 

DingDong

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 24, 2014
Messages
3,014
Likes
7,386
Country flag
This Gupta character is the weak link . Either he's entered into a plea bargain with the FBI & is singing like a canary or he's being blackmailed by them to co operate in lieu of sparing him in some other case.

And if what you're suggesting is true it means the US has as weak a case as the Canadians . It gives the GoI plausible deniability.
I am really surprised by some of the posts on this thread. This is geopolitics, not a courtroom drama.

The only reason India has kept quite so far is because most of the information is not a part of any official briefing. We are mostly relying on what is being reported in the media and being discussed on the internet.

Nations states' sovereign rights don't cross their borders. India is least concerned about US' legal process or it's outcome. We will simply refuse to accept their claims/evidences/whatever as the "mere works of fiction", just like they do while refusing to act on our extradition requests.

Don't forget that Pannun is on the NIA's most-wanted list, so are several individuals living in US/Canada.
 

Azaad

Senior Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2022
Messages
5,624
Likes
20,501
Country flag
I am really surprised by some of the posts on this thread. This is geopolitics, not a courtroom drama.

The only reason India has kept quite so far is because most of the information is not a part of any official briefing. We are mostly relying on what is being reported in the media and being discussed on the internet.

Nations states' sovereign rights don't cross their borders. India is least concerned about US' legal process or it's outcome. We will simply refuse to accept their claims/evidences/whatever as the "mere works of fiction", just like they do while refusing to act on our extradition requests.

Don't forget that Pannun is on the NIA's most-wanted list, so are several individuals living in US/Canada.
Geopolitics unfolding as courtroom drama is also geopolitics at work not merely a court room drama.

Official briefings need not be confirmed always thru press conferences or statements. We're reacting to media reports is coz there have been selective leaks by someone or somebody in a position of power .

That India'd deny all such accusations or findings or court judgements is a given. The opposite is true as well. For not just the US but also Canada .

The key issue to be discussed is why has the US raked up this issue NOW & moved courts . Is it to embarrass the GoI or dissuade the GoI from being adventurous ? Is it to tell the GoI that as the sole superpower the US is at liberty to do as it pleases but not India & that there'd be costs to it if India decides otherwise ?

Or is it to intimidate GoI from executing such acts in the future irrespective how the 5i's proceed against India or its interests & security ? Or is it to sabotage the growing engagement especially in the defence sector ?

I'm surprised in spite of spending so much time out here such basic facts eluded you.
 

prasadr14

PrasadReddy
Senior Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2015
Messages
9,043
Likes
50,607
US is very open about it's intentions.

This is why being a friend of US so fatal.
They think they have the right to boss around it's partners, interfere internally and even set agenda.

India has it's limitations in dealing with US.
but, we can certainly do a lot of damage against Canada, which we must.
 
Last edited:

DingDong

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 24, 2014
Messages
3,014
Likes
7,386
Country flag
US is very open about it's intentions.

This is why being a friend of US so fatal.
They think they have the right to boss around it's partners, interfere internally and even set agenda.

India has it's limitations in dealing with us.
but, we can certainly do a lot of damage against Canada, which we must.
It was the US that underestimated India's response to the whole Khalistan drama. Farmers' protests fizzled out, Amritpal Singh experiment failed as well. Visits by the "unknown men" has destroyed the sense of security these west-based Khalistan drug runners had.

Next, the poodle (Canada) was given a task, it failed miserably. Hence the master (US) had to reveal itself to prevent any further escalation and to protect it's assets.

The immediate effect? What was being discussed behind closed doors will be discussed in open.
 

GaudaNaresh

Senior Member
Joined
Mar 8, 2022
Messages
2,753
Likes
9,022
Country flag
US is very open about it's intentions.

This is why being a friend of US so fatal.
They think they have the right to boss around it's partners, interfere internally and even set agenda.

India has it's limitations in dealing with US.
but, we can certainly do a lot of damage against Canada, which we must.

India's best bet would be to let its citizens realise that we can checkmate Canada in about 40 years and let NOTHING come in the way of that.
 

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top