Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian terrorist

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let's not forget canada's population is about 4 crores, the number of news outlets and pace/scale of their politics will be proportional to their population. and on top of that, we are interacting only with english speaking population of canada.

this is to say, don't expect high paced politics like that of India or U.S.
 

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it's not a question of "if" U.S provides intel to canada. they are treaty partners, intel will be shared.
it's not like diplomats don't know this.

anyways, if today's bhawal is based on that CBC news reports, then they are clutching at straws to cover for their PM. CBC is their doordarshan, ofcourse they will cover for their PM.

it doesn't look like canada's deputy PM has any clue either.
Not going by their state TV. I don’t think there is a treaty where the US is obligated to share every single Intel. If this was the case, the US would have first called us up and warned that they have no option but to share this Intel and that Modi better butter up Trudeau during G20. The US did nothing of the sort. Plus indian officials did not agree to the Intel presented as credible during the NSA level conversations. And the US would have known that India rejected the so-called Intel. All this means is that US would have asked parties to go quiet and sort it out privately.
Trudeau going rogue means he just did not get any backing from the US potentially because the intel was not convincing enough for the US to force India to privately ack the incident. If the US pressed, India would have had no option but to give in. So, nothing Canada says and does makes sense.
What I am saying is regardless of everything the Khalistani terror presence in Canada is now widely seen by the world. We must use this opportunity to threaten Canada with a reference to FATF. We must gain intelligence that shows Canada khalistanis financing terrorism in India including through their consulates here. The US will be against us doing so. Now everything can be privately settled by the 3 parties. India cannot walk away from this without getting Canada to ack that it was deliberately harboring terrorists.
 

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This is how it goes.



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This guy is a 100% CSIS asset .Them being in bed with him and then having him clipped is gonna surely pissed them off
 

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If this is what happened, I doubt RAW was involved. Intelligence agents are not going to keep warning a target for months and leave a trail. They will quietly take them out. The other thing is why did the Canadian police not actively investigate the threats - trace phone calls and get the sigint from the US earlier and warn india to back off? Why wait until the hit was completed?
‘India has no option but to expose Canada now publicly if we are clean. Or if we did it, expose Canadian intelligence for deliberately sponsoring terror in India.
 

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Inevitable. Whether it happens before they attempt to annex Taiwan or not, hard to say. I'm betting they'd use the war against India to test their preparedness & to boost morale before embarking on annexation of Taiwan.
I see no possibility of war with china , they know vey well this is not 1962 , at that time too it was difficult for them as we were not expecting and they had surprise element, now they know it will take them to stone edge too as collateral damage will be very high and in the end it will be Nuclear end which both know very well. US wants this by bottom of their heart but India plays well so far
 

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Encryption lol, unless we have our own encryption math in secret. No one gives a shit abt evidence if our guys were authorized to do it. All consequences probably anticipated that leaks will occur. Very good opportunity to nail this tumor for good and let normal Sikhs fig it out. Cut Canada relations
Well, they shouldnt be able to crack the encryption unless they know the key itself. Good encryption tech is designed so that even if adversary knows the method, they cant get the message.
 

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Timing is interesting.

Mirwaiz Umar Farooq released from house arrest after 4 yrs.

The Mirwaiz will be allowed to take part in the Friday congregational prayers at the historic Jamia Masjid in the Nowhatta area in Srinagar, the officials from the Anjuman Auqaf Jamia Masjid -- the management committee of the mosque -- said
 

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We cannot dismiss this incident. The US and Canucks are very close allies. This whole thing will come down to how the US reacts. If the US is the one that provided sigint and if that sigint is damaging, there will be fallout and consequences. India better up the technical game here. Have concrete intelligence that Canadians actively promoted terrorism in India. You need something substantial to negotiate with. Plus now that things are in the open, India must cut off relations with Canada until the terrorists are extradited to India to face justice. India must get serious on the Khalistan issue.
Both sides can need to be cautious about Uncle Sam.
 

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If US is ready to throw its weight behind this then what the point of having any intelligence or not. If US is lying who is there to verify that in Five Eyes?
US will not alienate India if there is no proof. You don’t transfer jet engine technology and then do fake stuff. Let’s see how Amreekans behave. If they push Canada to cut down on khalistanis influence there then we will know that India can embarrass Canada and might have made the hit thinking that Canada would never go public with it. It all depends on what counter Intel we have. Our statements that Canada was actively promoting terrorism in India is a good first step. Bringing the khalistani issue into the open is a good thing for us.
 

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Not going by their state TV. I don’t think there is a treaty where the US is obligated to share every single Intel. If this was the case, the US would have first called us up and warned that they have no option but to share this Intel and that Modi better butter up Trudeau during G20. The US did nothing of the sort. Plus indian officials did not agree to the Intel presented as credible during the NSA level conversations. And the US would have known that India rejected the so-called Intel. All this means is that US would have asked parties to go quiet and sort it out privately.
Trudeau going rogue means he just did not get any backing from the US potentially because the intel was not convincing enough for the US to force India to privately ack the incident. If the US pressed, India would have had no option but to give in. So, nothing Canada says and does makes sense.
What I am saying is regardless of everything the Khalistani terror presence in Canada is now widely seen by the world. We must use this opportunity to threaten Canada with a reference to FATF. We must gain intelligence that shows Canada khalistanis financing terrorism in India including through their consulates here. The US will be against us doing so. Now everything can be privately settled by the 3 parties. India cannot walk away from this without getting Canada to ack that it was deliberately harboring terrorists.
i don't think GoI will that far to the level of FATF, they will probably stop at letting the world know that harbouring terrorists is not ok. there is an extradition treaty between India and canada, which they are not honouring.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india...alistan-terrorists-report-11695268383171.html

if and when canada's conservatives come back to power, this thing will be settled. but until then, Indian media has to make sure canadian citizens know about India's stand on this.
 

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Doesn't seem like it's worked considering another one was killed just yesterday.
i think india is confident that we have something on the Canadian government harboring these terrorists that it can embarrass the Canadians with. Otherwise our response of heating things up even more does not make sense.
 

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Thats true, but in the matters of Khalistanis we can never be sure of US underhand in the canadian Khalistani affairs.
Even while Israel US relations was gaining traction at the same time when Israel was hunting for Ali Hussein Saleh in Beirut, US was secretly warning Saleh about the Isreali actions and keeping him safe despite having understanding between Israel and USA that, USA should inform Israel of any and all contacts which USA initiates with Palestinians.

It was the sheer arrogance of Saleh which helped Mossad to get lucky and execute him finally after so many screw-ups to capture and terminate him.

We can never know if Khalistanis are getting support and protection of the USA secretly in order to have a leverage against Bharath.
CIA is good in using senesless activists and seperatists combo to achieve results, and Khali Stanis fit that criteria.
Why you have doubts, I am sure not only US , all of them have support for Khalistanis , why all of Indian missions in this country are targeted, but look , if we define red line , let it be any country. We we put bluntly that no compromise with national security and sovereignty of India then that’s it. Even though US and EU we are dependent on but at the same time they are also dependent on us. Look it is even fluid in today s situation, as it is India not decoupling from Russia , by this will India listen to US and EU. They are loosing very fast. If I dis joins Russia , china and ME , then it’s all over for them (US AND EU)
 

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i don't think GoI will that far to the level of FATF, they will probably stop at letting the world know that harbouring terrorists is not ok. there is an extradition treaty between India and canada, which they are not honouring.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india...alistan-terrorists-report-11695268383171.html

if and when canada's conservatives come back to power, this thing will be settled. but until then, Indian media has to make sure canadian citizens know about India's stand on this.
These are done in private as part of negotiations. Nothing will be known to the world. Actually we may have done this hit thinking that Canada won’t go public because they will be exposed for harboring terrorists. Trudeau might have gone rogue here.
 

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i think india is confident that we have something on the Canadian government harboring these terrorists that it can embarrass the Canadians with. Otherwise our response of heating things up even more does not make sense.
Or we lit the match and things are playing out by itself.
 

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