Time to reduce personnel count of Indian Army

Do you think its time to reduce personnel count in Indian Army?


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Dark Sorrow

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In this modern era technology has been the most dominating factor in deciding the outcome of a conflict. Gone are the days where numerical superiority meant everything.
Taking in account that salary and pension take more than half of the budget I think its time we reduce our active personnel by half a million and a similar reduction for reserve personnel .

The Indian Army accounts for more than half of the total defense budget of India, with most of the expenditure going to the maintenance of cantonments, salaries and pensions, instead of critical arms and ammunition.

Composition of expenditure of ministry of defence for 2020-21 (in %)

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Changing composition of the defence budget (2015-16 to 2020-21)

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Expenditure on salaries of civilian employees (2010-11 to 2020-21) (in Rs crore)

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Composition of Army Budget (2020-21) (in Rs crore)


HeadAmount allocated% of service budget
Pensions 1,13,257 38.1%
Salaries 1,11,294 37.5%
Modernisation 26,069 8.8%
Maintenance 18,328 6.2%
Others 28,088 9.5%
Total2,97,035



Composition of Navy Budget (2020-21) (in Rs crore)


HeadAmount allocated% of service budget
Modernisation 24,59840%
Salaries 13,05921%
Pensions 7,23412%
Maintenance 6,96011%
Others10,03916%
Total61,890



Composition of Indian Air Force Budget (2020-21) (in Rs Crore)


HeadAmount allocated% of service budget
Modernisation 39,03145%
Salaries 17,93921%
Pensions 13,31315%
Maintenance 9,11011%
Others7,1658%
Total86,558

Taking a look at salary and pension bill we are not able to invest in modernization (specifically R&D).
Taking PRC as an example I think we should start reducing personnel count from Army


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Nope, unless it has been qualitatively proven that equipment upgrade along with manpower reduction can manage defending the 15,106.7 km border, all of them at the same time if required.

powers that may be can think of manpower reduction when atleast threat from any one of the two major fronts has been rendered inactive.

more importantly, these discussions were happening when nobody thought domestic defence private industry will succeed in the country, a portion of defence budget now is being funded by defence industry and vice versa.

the way things are going around the world, IA might need to start thinking of expeditionary forces in 10-15 years time frame.
 

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In this modern era technology has been the most dominating factor in deciding the outcome of a conflict. Gone are the days where numerical superiority meant everything.
Taking in account that salary and pension take more than half of the budget I think its time we reduce our active personnel by half a million and a similar reduction for reserve personnel .

The Indian Army accounts for more than half of the total defense budget of India, with most of the expenditure going to the maintenance of cantonments, salaries and pensions, instead of critical arms and ammunition.

Composition of expenditure of ministry of defence for 2020-21 (in %)

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Changing composition of the defence budget (2015-16 to 2020-21)

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Expenditure on salaries of civilian employees (2010-11 to 2020-21) (in Rs crore)

View attachment 70071

Composition of Army Budget (2020-21) (in Rs crore)


HeadAmount allocated% of service budget
Pensions 1,13,25738.1%
Salaries 1,11,29437.5%
Modernisation 26,0698.8%
Maintenance 18,3286.2%
Others 28,0889.5%
Total2,97,035



Composition of Navy Budget (2020-21) (in Rs crore)


HeadAmount allocated% of service budget
Modernisation24,59840%
Salaries13,05921%
Pensions7,23412%
Maintenance6,96011%
Others10,03916%
Total61,890



Composition of Indian Air Force Budget (2020-21) (in Rs Crore)


HeadAmount allocated% of service budget
Modernisation39,03145%
Salaries17,93921%
Pensions13,31315%
Maintenance9,11011%
Others7,1658%
Total86,558

Taking a look at salary and pension bill we are not able to invest in modernization (specifically R&D).
Taking PRC as an example I think we should start reducing personnel count from Army


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So $$$ is your only concern? :crazy: :shock:

Did you forget how big India is and the border complexities?

Do you know defense expenditure is hardly 2.5% of budget?

Do you know that significant allocated budget goes unused?

Do you know the % of military budget and standing Army as compared to strong countries?

Also most important, do you know how big threats do we have? 2 front war is a small thing since there are more vultures ready to pounce upon India at the moment Army is reduced. Numbers do count and we have enough manpower.

These things are discussed so many times already but again such threads comes up. Instead of increasing our economy and corresponding increase in military budget($5T economy as sought after) here we have some people looking to trim down the forces due to $$$. :dude:
 

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Once we achieve proper AI and smart weapons then we can think about it, till then it would be foolish to reduce men numbers.
 

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I have slightly different take on reducing army numbers and that would be cutting cost of pensions
I would suggest to reduce the standing main army to around 5L(full fighting force) and make army training compulsory for atleast 3 years for all so you would always have numbers but you reduce pensioners massively..
 

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I have slightly different take on reducing army numbers and that would be cutting cost of pensions
I would suggest to reduce the standing main army to around 5L(full fighting force) and make army training compulsory for atleast 3 years for all so you would always have numbers but you reduce pensioners massively..
This is a great way to have lots of poorly trained soldiers who have absolutely zero morale.
 

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