The Syrian Crisis

[W.G.Ewald]

who said CIA is supplying them stingers?

PressTV - 'Turkey's anti-Syria alliance with US, lethal embrace'

Since the onset of the foreign-backed insurgency in Syria, Turkey has actively played the CIA assigned role of arming, funding and supporting the anti-Syrian terrorists.

 

[asianobserve]

PressTV - 'Turkey's anti-Syria alliance with US, lethal embrace'

It does not say CIA is supplying the weapons, the article merely says that CIA has assigned the role of weapons supplier to Turkey. So it is actually Turkey not the CIA that is supplying the weapons. And nowhere in that article it is said that Stinger is supplied by the CIA.

Anyway, Press TV?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

It does not say CIA is supplying the weapons, the article merely says that CIA has assigned the role of weapons supplier to Turkey. So it is actually Turkey not the CIA that is supplying the weapons. And nowhere in that article it is said that Stinger is supplied by the CIA.

Just a recent account of what is being said about CIA, not meant to make any claim about Stingers.

Anyway, Press TV?

Exactly.

 

[Armand2REP]

who said CIA is supplying them stingers?

CIA spies 'smuggle 14 Stinger missiles into Syria so rebels can take out regime warplanes' - Mirror Online
CIA Provides Stinger Missiles to Syrian "Freedom Fighters"

 

[W.G.Ewald]

CIA spies 'smuggle 14 Stinger missiles into Syria so rebels can take out regime warplanes' - Mirror Online
CIA Provides Stinger Missiles to Syrian "Freedom Fighters"

Missiles in photo which accompanies the article are Sidewinders, not Stingers.

Stinger file photo.

 

[asianobserve]

CIA spies 'smuggle 14 Stinger missiles into Syria so rebels can take out regime warplanes' - Mirror Online
CIA Provides Stinger Missiles to Syrian "Freedom Fighters"

This is a case were mere rumor might actually be effective: it will boost Rebels' morale and cause concern in Assad's circles, without actually sending in the Stingers...

 

[pmaitra]

This is a case were mere rumor might actually be effective: it will boost Rebels' morale and cause concern in Assad's circles, without actually sending in the Stingers...

We don't know whether this is rumour or not. Might actually be true.

I am worried about another thing. What if external agents, CIA or whatever, supplied the rebels with Chemical Weapons, so that they could be used and blamed in Assad? The rebels have earlier massacred people in Houla and blamed it on Assad as well.

 

[asianobserve]

I am worried about another thing. What if external agents, CIA or whatever, supplied the rebels with Chemical Weapons, so that they could be used and blamed in Assad? The rebels have earlier massacred people in Houla and blamed it on Assad as well.

This is a highly problematic strategy. In the first place against whom are the rebels going to use these chemical weapons? If against the Assad's forces then it's obvious who used it and who supplied it... Not a very good "what if"...

 

[pmaitra]

Syria: hundreds of bodies found in Daraya

The Syrian regime was accused of perpetrating an "atrocity on a new scale" yesterday after activists reported the discovery of more than 300 corpses in Daraya, a town on the edge of Damascus.

A handout picture released by the Syrian opposition shows bodies lying outside a mortuary in Daraya Photo: AFP/GETTY IMAGES
SOMEWHAT GRAPHIC: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02320/SYRIA-CRISISa_2320368b.jpg

Note: This photo was circulated by the rebels. It is not known who killed these people, or how they were killed, or whether they were killed at separate places, or together.

 

[pmaitra]

This is a highly problematic strategy. In the first place against whom are the rebels going to use these chemical weapons?

They will use it against Sunni villages that are pro-Assad, just like they killed Sunnis in Houla. Assad's in-laws are Sunnis, and there are pro-Assad Sunnis in Homs. The rebels can very well use it against them, and soon after, the West will give it a Shia-Sunni twist, and then invade.

If against the Assad's forces then it's obvious who used it and who supplied it... Not a very good "what if"...

Read above.

 

[asianobserve]

This Stinger rumor is also problematic. If Stingers are indeed supplied then it's immediately certain from whom it originated from. Not a good covert strategy. The Americans might supply Russian-made MANPADS, this is more likely. This Stinger rumors could be most probably psyops.

 

[Armand2REP]

We don't know whether this is rumour or not. Might actually be true.

I know its not true because CIA is in Turkey preventing MANPADs from crossing the border. As anal as they were hunting them down in Libya and the legacy of Afghanistan, it is pretty obvious they wouldn't do it. If rebels do get hold of MANPADs they won't be Stingers but Iglas. The story was a false flag. You will know when rebels get Iglas as you will see it on Youtube.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

I know its not true because CIA is in Turkey preventing MANPADs from crossing the border. As anal as they were hunting them down in Libya and the legacy of Afghanistan, it is pretty obvious they wouldn't do it. If rebels do get hold of MANPADs they won't be Stingers but Iglas. The story was a false flag. You will know when rebels get Iglas as you will see it on Youtube.

9K38 Igla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 9K38 Igla (Russian: Игла́, needle) is a Russian/Soviet man-portable infrared homing surface-to-air missile (SAM). "9K38" is the Russian GRAU designation of the system. Its US DoD designation is SA-18 and its NATO reporting name is Grouse; a simplified, earlier version is known as the 9K310 Igla-1, or SA-16 Gimlet. The latest variant is the 9K338 Igla-S NATO reporting name SA-24 Grinch. It is fielded by the Russian Army since 2004.

 

[pmaitra]

I know its not true because CIA is in Turkey preventing MANPADs from crossing the border. As anal as they were hunting them down in Libya and the legacy of Afghanistan, it is pretty obvious they wouldn't do it. If rebels do get hold of MANPADs they won't be Stingers but Iglas. The story was a false flag. You will know when rebels get Iglas as you will see it on Youtube.

Even if the rebels are seen with Iglas, it will probably be CIA, or Saudi, or anyone who wants to see Assad go. We won't know for sure until later.

If you wonder why, I will give you a precedent.

 

[asianobserve]

They will use it against Sunni villages that are pro-Assad, just like they killed Sunnis in Houla. Assad's in-laws are Sunnis, and there are pro-Assad Sunnis in Homs. The rebels can very well use it against them, and soon after, the West will give it a Shia-Sunni twist, and then invade.

Ops is called false flag. But once this weapon is used against pro-Assad groups then the plan automatically fails since it's immediately known who is the perpetrator. And how can the West play it into a "SUnni-SHia" twist when the Rebels are SUnnis and the victims according to you are also Sunnis, albeit pro-Assad Sunnis?

 

[pmaitra]

Ops is called false flag. But once this weapon is used against pro-Assad Sunni groups then the plan automatically fails since it's immediately known who is the perpetrator. And how can the West play it into a "SUnni-SHia" twist when the Rebels are SUnnis and the victims according to you are also Sunnis, albeit pro-Assad Sunnis?

There, corrected that for you.

Yes, the moment it is used against pro-Assad Sunnis, the West will brandish it as an assault on Sunnis and it will be 'immediately known' that 'the perpetrators' were Assad's forces. They will conveniently fail to mention that there are Sunnis with Assad, just like the BBC article I had posted earlier.

 

[pmaitra]

Security services 'failing' to stop British jihadis heading to Syria

Fears are growing that a new generation of British jihadis may be cutting their teeth in Syria, reports Andrew Gilligan

Source: Security services 'failing' to stop British jihadis heading to Syria - Telegraph

 

[Armand2REP]

Even if the rebels are seen with Iglas, it will probably be CIA, or Saudi, or anyone who wants to see Assad go. We won't know for sure until later.

If you wonder why, I will give you a precedent.

If you see them with Iglas they were probably captured or purchased from defecting Syrian Army. CIA won't let them cross the border.

 

[pmaitra]

If you see them with Iglas they were probably captured or purchased from defecting Syrian Army. CIA won't let them cross the border.

Some of the weapons with the rebels could be captured from Assad's arsenal or surrendering forces, but definitely not all. There are pictures in this thread with rebels wielding Steyr Aug, and driving Toyota and Mazda pickup-trucks. Syrian Army does not use those guns, and for trucks, it uses GAZ, UralAZ, and ZIL. Rebels are getting weapons from all over the world.

 

[Armand2REP]

Some of the weapons with the rebels could be captured from Assad's arsenal or surrendering forces, but definitely not all. There are pictures in this thread with rebels wielding Steyr Aug, and driving Toyota and Mazda pickup-trucks. Syrian Army does not use those guns, and for trucks, it uses GAZ, UralAZ, and ZIL. Rebels are getting weapons from all over the world.

CIA isn't stopping guns and RPGs, they are only there to prevent proliferation of MANPADs.