The Kargil War

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What was Manish tiwari of congress doing on panel. Didn't US get hold of any spokesman from Ruling NDA?
 

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Paki troll or not, I think we should refrain from using racial slurs regarding skin color, as it easily applies to dark skinned people of our own country. As a South Indian with darker complexion, I don't know what to make of it when DFI members use words such as "black Negro dog" to describe someone with darker skin.
That's what Porks call Indians, he is using their words against them like Anant said.
 

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Now since we have bunker piercing munitions, can we destroy their bunker and get this peak 5353 back? The reason is Pakistan has clear sight to our national highway. They may not be attacking from that past, but may be getting real time intelligence of our army movement.
Actually back in 2002-03 both sides have come to an unofficial agreement that Point 5353 will remain with Pakistan & Point 5310 with India.
 

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By the way, to the Pakis on this forum, does your pussy Islamic Army have a Kargil martyrs memorial? I guess no! Because it would be too embarrassing to etch all the 3500 PA personnel who died in Kargil. After all, according to your knucklehead Mush who is known for lying through his teeth, there were no Paki soldiers who took part in Kargil but 'freedom fighters' of Kashmir!! Lol!
 

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Actually back in 2002-03 both sides have come to an unofficial agreement that Point 5353 will remain with Pakistan & Point 5310 with India.
Talking of the agreement, Pakistan has never honored any agreement including Sheila or even ceasefire agreement. They don't have any honor. We can't keep gentleman promises with habitual lier. I think now is the time to take the peak back.
 

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As I understand point 5353 sits bang on LoC, is it correct?
 

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in form of mortars, their light arty guns are pathetic at best ..
 

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I recall that Late Ray sir (or was it Kunal B?) once posted here that Point 5353 is surrounded on three sides by Indian positions and well within mortars and gun range. In the event of hostilities, this post will not last an hour.
 
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They use Italian OTO Melara 105 mm Mod 56, They have range of 10 kms and their is another arty of US origin whose range is 11kms, A Chinese gun of puny 85mm has 15kms of range, Accuracy is horrible ..

These are usually used in direct fire against incoming assault or bringing down avalanches at glacier, Earlier they use these against BSF who were using 81mm mortar ..

First picture is from Basal-Chu, opposite of Kargil sector, The other is from siachen glacier

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BSF recently used Indian guns to great effect, suppressing every other mortar and light arty of enemy in that valley ..

I can't understand. can you please explain.
 

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They use Italian OTO Melara 105 mm Mod 56, They have range of 10 kms and their is another arty of US origin whose range is 11kms, A Chinese gun of puny 85mm has 15kms of range, Accuracy is horrible ..

These are usually used in direct fire against on coming assault or bringing down avalanches at glacier, Earlier they use these against BSF who were using 81mm mortar ..

First picture is from Basal-Chu, opposite of Kargil sector, The other is from siachen glacier

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BSF recently used Indian guns to great effect, suppressing every other mortar and light arty of enemy in that valley ..
Their guns are looking short and highly portable..but our's are long and bulky.
105mm had a range of 25km right?
 

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@Kunal Biswas

Those pics look to be from around Kargil War. We have been hearing so much about Napakis investing much in upgrading tube artillery and being gifted quite a bit by US under "war on terror" such as M109 SPH.

Do they still operate these short range guns only?
 

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IFG has a maximum range of 24kms with Bleed base shells, With regular round these can strike 17kms deep ..

PA Italian guns and IFG portability is almost same, Both can be taken in parts via light helicopter & mules ..

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During Kargil war they used 155mm towed guns, Cargo shells against our positions but was not very successful once we developed tactics to avoid them and counter them in our own way ..

Those SPH are dedicated with their mech units, Light 105mm of PA is considered as a mountain arty due to its high portability ..

Their guns are looking short and highly portable..but our's are long and bulky.
105mm had a range of 25km right?
@Kunal Biswas

Those pics look to be from around Kargil War. We have been hearing so much about Napakis investing much in upgrading tube artillery and being gifted quite a bit by US under "war on terror" such as M109 SPH.

Do they still operate these short range guns only?
 

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Its really surprising to notice something really vintage ( 1941 ) used during 1999 and perhaps still being deployed at LOC, Never knew Pakistani arty was so weak that they had to deploy this, Not sure where they got ammunition from, That shell which is going into that breach is dangerous to its crew only ..



The arty is British 140mm medium gun, With a range of just 16kms with a crew of 10 ..

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These British 5.5 inch guns were used to be backbone of Indian Army and seen 65 and 71 war, After arrival of 105mm IFG these were phased out and kept for static display or Museum pieces ..
 

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Its really surprising to notice something really vintage ( 1941 ) used during 1999 and perhaps still being deployed at LOC, Never knew Pakistani arty was so weak that they had to deploy this, Not sure where they got ammunition from, That shell which is going into that breach is dangerous to its crew only ..



The arty is British 140mm medium gun, With a range of just 16kms with a crew of 10 ..

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These British 5.5 inch guns were used to be backbone of Indian Army and seen 65 and 71 war, After arrival of 105mm IFG these were phased out and kept for static display or Museum pieces ..
Now I got the point why Musharaff et.al were so confident about India not deploying Bofors in Kargil Theater. With these in arsenals they were not even able to think of anything like use of Bofors in Kargil. For them deploying this itself might have been an arduous task.
 

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June 20 is the day when pt 5140 was captured during Kargil war by combined assault from Naga, Jak Rif and Garhwal.


At 17,000 ft and an imp pt which directly overlook Srinagar Leh Highways has more difficult terrain (around it) than Afghanistan
 

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Its really surprising to notice something really vintage ( 1941 ) used during 1999 and perhaps still being deployed at LOC, Never knew Pakistani arty was so weak that they had to deploy this, Not sure where they got ammunition from, That shell which is going into that breach is dangerous to its crew only ..



The arty is British 140mm medium gun, With a range of just 16kms with a crew of 10 ..

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These British 5.5 inch guns were used to be backbone of Indian Army and seen 65 and 71 war, After arrival of 105mm IFG these were phased out and kept for static display or Museum pieces ..
Artillery is not only about superior guns and technology but its an arm which still make use of improvisation, men's personal initiative and innovation to use this fine piece of warfare.


As we had seen in Kargil and that's why Brig Lakhvinder "lucky" Singh, 8 Mountain Division warrants a particular mention how he used old artillery tactic of concentrated fire taking inspiration from Babur and Ranjit Singh Artillery tactics.


However agree on the tech part too as Pakis were able to hit several of our Ammo & fuel dumps due to Arty locating Radar.
 

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Honorable mentions & Not just WLRs ..


Artillery is not only about superior guns and technology but its an arm which still make use of improvisation, men's personal initiative and innovation to use this fine piece of warfare.


As we had seen in Kargil and that's why Brig Lakhvinder "lucky" Singh, 8 Mountain Division warrants a particular mention how he used old artillery tactic of concentrated fire taking inspiration from Babur and Ranjit Singh Artillery tactics.


However agree on the tech part too as Pakis were able to hit several of our Ammo & fuel dumps due to Arty locating Radar.
 

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