The J-11D Surprise (and SU-35) : China Upgrades Russian Flanker Fighters On Its Own

[rohit.gr77]

This is typical Indian mentality.
When your mouth shutted unable to debate, you talk junk.

What I am telling you about TR number comparison is making sense. Unfortunately beyond Indian logic to understand.

The number of TRM for Uttam is 736 not 700, get your figures right. Now from where do you claim that your Chinese AESA have 1200 TRM?

 

[Antam1505]

The number of TRM for Uttam is 736 not 700, get your figures right. Now from where do you claim that your Chinese AESA have 1200 TRM?

AESA for J-10b has 1200 TRM
AESA for J-11d has 1760 TRM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254309277/Advances-in-Chinese-and-Russian-AESA#scribd

 

[rohit.gr77]

AESA for J-10b has 1200 TRM
AESA for J-11d has 1760 TRM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254309277/Advances-in-Chinese-and-Russian-AESA#scribd

Agreed, but any western sources stating the same?

 

[Antam1505]

Agreed, but any western sources stating the same?

So you think Carlo Kopp is a chinese? And why you think western should know better about Chinese military stuff than China her self?

 

[rohit.gr77]

So you think Carlo Kopp is a chinese? And why you think western should know better about Chinese military stuff than China her self?

Carlo Kopp writes in Chinese? China cannot be trusted for anything. The only thing they are good at is propaganda. So I wouldn't trust any Chinese source claims.

 

[Antam1505]

Carlo Kopp writes in Chinese? China cannot be trusted for anything. The only thing they are good at is propaganda. So I wouldn't trust any Chinese source claims.

LOL. Typical Indian delusional mentality.

Do you agree that the country with most propaganda is those who over hype but cannot show performance she is overhypping. Ring the bell which country is she?

Remember who is over hyping supa pawa, but her performance is really poor as supa pawa in every figure; while the neighbor can show staggering figure of her economy, and technology performance.

Look at overhyped Tejas, and it end up as 3 gen low performance fighter
Look at the low profile j-10that flight from 1998 but the existence was announced 10 year later.
Have you heard China overhype about 5gen fighter before? West cannot find any information about it until j-20 appear and surprise the world.

From the view of the above, am I wrong to say that India is the country with most propaganda while China is the otherway round?

 

[rohit.gr77]

LOL. Typical Indian delusional mentality.

Do you agree that the country with most propaganda is those who over hype but cannot show performance she is overhypping. Ring the bell which country is she?

Remember who is over hyping supa pawa, but her performance is really poor as supa pawa in every figure; while the neighbor can show staggering figure of her economy, and technology performance.

Look at overhyped Tejas, and it end up as 3 gen low performance fighter
Look at the low profile j-10that flight from 1998 but the existence was announced 10 year later.
Have you heard China overhype about 5gen fighter before? West cannot find any information about it until j-20 appear and surprise the world.

From the view of the above, am I wrong to say that India is the country with most propaganda while China is the otherway round?

Our media is not controlled by the state as your media is. So guess which country would be better at propaganda, certainly not a country with free media. We never overhyped Tejas, it is our journey towards self-reliance. Whatever it is, it is designed as per our requirements, you can deny as much as you want whine as much as you want. Tejas is not the topic of this discussion, if you want more information on that topic please visit the LCA Tejas thread and read before talking gibberish.

 

[Antam1505]

Our media is not controlled by the state as your media is. So guess which country would be better at propaganda, certainly not a country with free media. We never overhyped Tejas, it is our journey towards self-reliance. Whatever it is, it is designed as per our requirements, you can deny as much as you want whine as much as you want. Tejas is not the topic of this discussion, if you want more information on that topic please visit the LCA Tejas thread and read before talking gibberish.

You are right that china controll the news, but overhypping and self overrating is not her style of propaganda. Chinese propaganda is more related to political.

Although not fully controlled by gov, India' media tend to overhypping and overatting. On the contrary to sun tzu low profile philosophy applied by china govt. Tejas, and India supa pawa are some examples of indian's overhypping style.

 

[AprilLyrics]

i'd like to see j11d flying with our own engine and that seems to become real.though su35 with 117s has a better thrust ratio,it is still good to see ws10 being adopted.we are make break through on engine tech

 

[Zarvan]

The J-11D Surprise: China Upgrades Russian Flanker Fighters On Its Own
J-11D's First Flight

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Posted May 4, 2015
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J-11D

weibo.com

The J-11D had its first flight on April 29, 2015 at a SAC airfield. It's most notable feature is its AESA radar, which is obvious thanks to its upwardly canted radar dome.

In a surprise development, the J-11D "D1101" prototype flew its first flight on April 29, 2015. The J-11D is the latest in Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC)'s family fighters licensed and modified from the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 "Flanker." SAC has built well over 200 Su-27 and J-11s, such as the licensed produced J-11A and indigenously upgraded J-11B, which had better engines and radar, and a lighter airframe. It is possible that improvements from other Chinese Flanker variants, like the J-15 carrier fighter and J-16 strike fighter, have been applied to the J-11D.

J-11D Flying

Eagle Eye

The J-11D Flanker fighter is the latest Flanker variant, and with an AESA radar, may be even more advanced that its Russian counterpart, the Su-35.

The J-11D's most noticeable upgrade is an upwardly canted radar dome, which carries an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, as well as further use of composites and stealth coatings in the fuselage to reduce weight. The fighter's Infrared Search and Tracking (IRST) pod has been relocated starboard of the cockpit, to accommodate a retractable inflight refueling (IFR) probe. The J-11D is also believed to have improved weapons hardpoints to carry the latest Chinese weapons, such as the PL-10 air to air missile, long range PL-21 missile and YJ-12 antiship missile.

Chinese AESA

Hongjian at China Defense Forum

China's defense industry has become very proficient at building AESA radars, such as those found on the KJ-2000 AEW&C aircraft, Type 052C destroyer, HQ-9 SAM and these fighter AESA radars. The middle one, which is built for the J-16 strike fighter, has 1760 transmit/receive elements. The J-11D's radar is likely to be an improved model f the J-16's AESA radar, optimized for air to air combat.

The J-11D's upgrades allow it to take full advantage of new PLAAF capabilities, and in turn, extend those capabilities further. For example, the IFR probe would enable aerial refueling from an Il-78 tanker, extending both the aerial patrol time and range of the fighter. The AESA radar offers key advantages over older, conventionally scanned radar; it's more resistant against electronic jamming, offers higher resolution when targetting stealthy aircraft, and has greater range. The J-11D's datalinks would enable it to share its radar data with other Chinese aircraft and ships. The J-11D's greater weapons payload would include long range weapons that could then be guided by other systems with longer ranged sensors, like the KJ-500 airborne early warning radar plane.

Divine Eagle Hunts

Hongjian via China Defense Forum

The offensive applications of the Divine Eagle are demonstrated here, as two Divine Eagles mark out not just the enemy aircraft carrier, but also its escorting warships and aviation wing, while vectoring friendly aircraft and ships into combat. The J-11D's radar and datalink would enable the fighter to transmit its radar data to other Chinese aircraft, robots and ships as part of integrated combat operations.

The J-11D's first flight is especially interesting given persistent rumors about impending Chinese purchases of the Su-35, the most modern Russian Flanker model. Ironically, the Su-35 uses a passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar, which is an older and generally less flexible technology. Further flights like this indicate a shift is at hand, as advancing Chinese technology might be killing the Su-35's China sale chances.
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http://www.popsci.com/j-11d-surprise-china-upgrades-russian-flanker-fighters-its-own

This fighter jet if not better is equal to SU-35. This is one hell of a machine I hope it is fully developed really soon.

 

[lcafanboy]

This fighter jet if not better is equal to SU-35. This is one hell of a machine I hope it is fully developed really soon.

Pakistani obsession with Sukhoi-35 shows, how bad Chinese Sukhoi Copies are – Indian Defence Research Wing
Pakistani obsession with Sukhoi-35 shows, how bad Chinese Sukhoi Copies are
Published August 19, 2018 | By admin

SOURCE: Rajesh Kumar/ FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

Pakistani establishment off late has been actively pursuing Russian Government to allow them to procure unspecified numbers of Su-35 ‘Flanker-E’ multi-role fighter aircraft after Islamabad failed to procure additional F-16s from the United States.

Pakistani air force at present is made of four different types of fighter aircraft and fly’s Vintage Dassault Mirage-5s, Chinese-manufactured F-7s, Lockheed Martin F-16s and Chinese JF-17 Thunder which they license assembled in Pakistan and is powered by a Russian supplied Klimov RD-93 Afterburning Turbofan engine.

PAF in its History has never operated Soviet-Russian make of fighter aircraft but in past has operated Shenyang J-6 which is the Chinese-built version of the Soviet MiG-19 ‘Farmer’ fighter aircraft and present operates Chengdu J-7 which is a license-built version of the Soviet Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21.

In Past due to India growing relations with the United States. Russia finally showed the willingness to sell advanced hardware with Pakistan despite Moscow’s longstanding ties with India which lead to Mi-17-1 and Mi-35M deals with Pakistan. Pakistan now wants to up defense cooperation and procure fighter aircraft directly from Russia. Whats interesting is that Pakistan has shown no interest in procurement of unlicensed copies of Sukhoi fighter aircraft which China already manufactures presently for its air force.

Shenyang J-11 copy of Sukhoi Su-27, Shenyang J-16 copy of Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKK and Shenyang J-15 unlicensed Chinese development of the Russian Su-33 Flanker-D all have been evaluated by Pakistani air force pilots under the various pilot exchange program between the two countries and buzz for years now has been that Pakistanis were not exactly happy with their sub-par performance and instead where asking Chinese to clear export of J-10 fighter aircraft which Chinese government has barred from exports.

Unlicensed Chinese development of Sukhoi Su-27,30 and 33 initially was seen as a Game changer by the western defense analysts who thought that this new 4.5 generation aircraft will come as an additional force multiplier to the Chinese air force but over the years Chinese media locally were critical of this aircrafts and now even the government of China is more or less convinced that reversed engineered copies are plan disasters and instead is shifting focus back on local fighter programs.

Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark which is a new carrier-based fighter aircraft already has suffered a number of high-profile crashes due to technical issues with the aircraft’s engines and flight control system. indigenous Shenyang Liming WS-10H engines too have serious reliability issues that Chinese pilots prefer Russian Salyut AL-31F engines over their copies which probably is one reason why China still continues to buy them from Russia even after claiming it to be a total success of their copies years ago.

J-11 and J-15 design too suffer from serious design flaws due to traditional limitations inherent to reverse engineering methodology. In the Initial phase, aircraft looks and feels just like the original but when pushed into regular service that’s when issues start cropping up mechanically which are difficult to fix when you just copied it from some other aircraft without going through in-depth design data collections.
idrw.org/pakistani-obsession-with-sukhoi-35-shows-how-bad-chinese-sukhoi-copies-are/#more-178728

 

[Steven Rogers]

Those Chinese radars aren't any aesa. AESA radar has its unit TRMs which work as a mini radar in an radar .while these have separate transmit and receivers .these all are antiquated PESA radars which resemble 80s aesa.