The greatest heist in indian history.... Our very history !!!

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A Very interesting Article at : The Kaipullai's Vetti Thoughts : The outer playground of my inner devil | The greatest Heist in Indian history..How Indian History was changed and we didn’t even notice. Part 1:The lost eon 6th Century B.C to 1174 A.D

Please read the original article at the link above. Besides some well placed images, there are some interesting comments and discussions at its bottom.

Remember those long-staying, TV-remote hogging, serial TV-serial watching distant relatives who used to arrive unannounced when you were a kid. And then stopped you from watching cricket in favour of their crappy TV serial. What were your feelings towards them? Whatever it was, it did not resemble love and affection. Now replace those crummy, intractable relatives of yore with your school subject of History or Social Sciences. Weren't your feelings towards History kinda similar? I stake all the contents of my nearly empty wallet, that at least for the most of you, it was.


However, There is one thing that tops the 'I hate' list by a distance

History for most of us, was always a major impediment, an obstacle, an immovable object opposing our unstoppable drive towards knowledge ( Read Maths and Science). Useless questions like 'how does Babar's fun and frolic in 1476 affect my future' were raised, without an iota of hope for a definite answer. What we used to get was a growl or a scowl or perhaps both. What we could only do was utter the choicest expletives under our breath, memorize those never ending dates and practice our artistic talents on the unfortunate photographs of the great souls printed in our textbooks.


How will this dead dude help me get ahead in my life?

In our academic pecking order, Maths and Science always figured at the top, subjects that we had to master. History mostly figured somewhere at the bottom of this list, lower than drawing, craft, value education and even Aayo Naga perhaps. Has our monumental indifference towards History enabled our educationists and academicians to disfigure, hell mutilate..our own history and actually get away with it?

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Let me begin this by recalling a small conversation with a tenth grader relative of mine

This is India's history from that persons point of view

Harappans were the first people in India, and they had a fetish for building abnormally large bath-tubs.
Their asses were then kicked by the some unknown invading Aryans.
Somewhere down the line, Alexander and his badass gang of Greeks came calling.
Chandragupta Maurya with his adviser Chanakya, did some awesome 420giri to take over from the Greeks.
They were then succeeded by the Guptas who brought the 'Golden Age' with them.
Mahmud of Ghazni, however, looted all that gold. He needed a sum total of 17 visits to complete his gold quest.
Mohammad Ghauri followed him with similar intentions, but decided to avoid the trouble and simply stay back. And then he died.
He left his slave Qutub-ud-din Aibak to do all the ruling. His most significant achievement was to build one pointless tower.
Then came a Muslim queen, underlining our credentials in female liberation.
It was then the turn of Tughlaq and his gang of idiots. They moved national capitals around because they hated the weather.
From somewhere, Babar, a descendant of a lame, one eyed king from Central Asia landed in India.
He and his sons, calling themselves Mughals, ruled India for the next 350 years.
Their party came to an end when Englishmen arrived, redcoats and all, and took a strong fancy to our country.
I am not making the above stuff up. Of course, I might have taken liberties with some of the descriptions, but then this was more-or-less what a tenth grader summarized about pre-British Indian history. I would have appreciated this individuals grasp of Indian history if not for the fact that this version is completely and utterly bullshit.

Yes IT IS



Peruse that list again, in case you did not read it carefully. Till the advent of the British, how many Indian emperors, kings have been mentioned in the above list? How many of them have been highlighted and glorified in our history despite some seriously awesome stuff they did? Has our History been modified to such an extent that our own ancestors have been left out of out of it?

The one word answer to the last question: YES

If you see, India is one of the very few countries to have a civilization which goes back to about 3000 BC. No other country has this big a history. To put it in perspective, India's last golden age was in the 6th century BC. Wonder what were the others in the world doing at that time"¦"¦"¦.

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We are a civilization that was so advanced, that we were actually celebrating our golden age when Brits still hadn't figured out what "Being Clothed' meant and the Americans could have been the name of an opium brand. So isn't it kinda surprising that only two Indian emperors were considered to be worth remembering by a tenth grader in an eon or so? Would have been humorous, if it wasn't our civilization. And because it is, it becomes deeply distressing and disturbing.

The Gupta dynasty as a dynasty, ended in about 6th century AD. However, the last meaningful king that our History textbooks bother to mention is Chandragupta II, whose reign ended in 4th Century AD. And then, the scene is fast forwarded to the point where Mohammad Ghauri invaded India in 1191, to start the Delhi Sultanate which would then metamorphose into the Islamic Empire. What does the above line tell you?

It tells you that an average tenth grader actually knows nothing about what happened in India in the intervening period between the Guptas and the Delhi Sultanate (A time period of about 800 years). At least they do not think it was worth remembering. To be fair they are not to blame, especially when you consider our academicians have dedicated ONE single Chapter in the Seventh standard History textbook, to cover the period when it was Indians who ruled the land..

Yes"¦ ONE CHAPTER, COVERING A PERIOD OF A THOUSAND YEARS ENCOMPASSING THE WHOLE OF THE INDIAN CIVILAZTION. One Chapter from history lessons stretching across the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth and the tenth grades of CBSE. One insignificant chapter in over five years of schooling dealing with a period of more than one thousand years.


This is that chapter.. Click on the image if you have the time and patience to revisit your seventh standard History textbook

Now why only one chapter, is known only to the enlightened souls who designed those textbooks. And as a result of either their deliberate oversight or perhaps pure ineptitude, most of the school children do not know have any idea about

The Harsha Empire

This empire was founded by King Harshavardhana. This guy ascended the throne immediately after the Gupta dynasty, at an age when we aren't allowed to have a driving license or have a drink. He became an emperor at the age of sixteen in about 606 AD. He went on to capture what is today called North India (Including Kashmir) and Pakistan, His empire at its greatest extent looked something like this


He actually united all these states, something that we struggle to do even today!!!

He fought almost 300 battles in the 41 years he ruled with a win loss ratio that even Novak Djokovic would envy; 299-1. Uniting all these states, I guess was trouble even then.

Not only was he adept as a fighting machine, but actually authored three full length Sanskrit plays Ratnavali, Priyadarsika and Nagananda, while he was busy conquering. Nagananda especially is considered one of the greatest plays ever written in Sanskrit literature. It is thought to be the first play ever to have five acts where the tone changes midway from Romance to horror and ends with the villain turning into the hero. This guy introduced plot twists and 'cut to the chase' in the 6th century AD. And all of that was probably thought in the middle of a battle.

Amongst Harsha's other achievements, was that he was the first to abolish Sati as a rule in his kingdom, some 800 years before Raja Ram Mohan Roy was even born. He was a major patron of the Nalanda University, and was the title sponsor of the ramparts around it, for protection from invaders and other pricks. No wonder Nalanda expanded singularly because of this guys patronage.

Harsha was the first King to have ever established a diplomatic relationship with China, with ambassadors and gifts being exchanged in 630 AD. And last but not the least the guy in the pic below lived in the kingdom of Harsha, and was patronized by this emperor so that he could work on his field of expertise.



This was the guy who went on to INVENT THE ZERO!!!!

Surely Emperor Harsha deserves more than the 10 lines that he currently gets in our history textbook.

OR

The Pala dynasty

This dynasty was founded by Gopala in Bengal in the year 705 AD. This guy was not your run-of-the-mill type of tyrant that were prevalent those days.

Gopala was DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the people of his kingdom. He was the FIRST EVER democratically elected ruler in South Asia, perhaps even Asia and even the world. Giving people right to elect the ruler wasn't the most fashionable thing those days you know!!!!

Legend goes that people of Bengal at that time were sick of repeated invasions, pillaging and general anarchy. So they got Gopala, the most powerful military dude in their kingdom, anointed him as their king. And boy did he rule! He and his successors ruled for the next 400 years. Yes"¦ 4 centuries in all!



This was their empire at the peak of their power. Purely in terms of square kilometers, it exceeds even the Mughal Empire at its peak. Go figure"¦.

Pala's other achievements again had something to do with the Nalanda university. In those days, what would a king do if he captured a territory? His intentions would most probably be to rape, loot, pillage, plunder, destroy and disfigure, not necessarily in that order. And what did King Dhanapal do when he captured Nalanda? He adopted it and took it to even greater heights. And then figured one university was probably not enough. So he established the Vikaramashila University as well. These two universities are even today universally acknowledged to be the greatest universities ever in Indian History. One flourished under the Palas, and the other was established by them. And as a footnote, the entire region of Tibet adopted Buddhism because of this guy's efforts. So the Dalai Lama, in some way, has to thank the Palas for his influence today.

So ruling almost the entire Indian Sub-continent (From Afghanistan to Myanmar), establishing not one but two of the greatest Universities of those times guarantees you a place in the annals of history as a magnificent king. But then the Palas did not stop at that. They then went on to build the biggest ever Buddhist Vihara or monastery, ever. The Somapura Mahavira consisted of 177 cells for the monks to live with a magnificent stupa in the middle. The entire campus occupied about 30 acres and rivaled the Pyramids for its opulence, but with a fundamental difference. The Somapura Mahavira was actually useful. In those times you couldn't have been a great Buddhist monk if you hadn't been to Somapura.


Kicks ass...doesn't it

Apparently, an archeologist named J.C.French wanted to excavate the site of Somapura, but was refused citing lack of funds. Pretty much the story of the shortchanging of this great empire by our history. They deserve more than the 7 lines they get in our history textbook.

OR

The Chalukyas

Remember the King Harsha you met two paragraphs ago where I told you that he had a battlefield win loss ratio of 299-1? Well, The Chalukyas were responsible for that 'one' is his loss column.

And amongst many other things like inspiring the architecture that you have seen in Hampi, establishing and propagating the Kannada language, they also were the first ones in the world to legalize prostitution.

Poor souls don't even get a mention in the text book.

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The Pallavas

You all know Chalukyas defeated the undefeated king Harsha right. But then shortly afterward, Pallavas gave a bloody nose to the same empire which had defeated the then undefeated king. Pallavas ruled over the Chalukyas and most of India south of the Narmada for about 150 years.

They single-handedly built the rock-cut temple complex in Mahabalipuram. It is rumoured that half the temples are actually under the sea, so the Mahabalipuram complex is actually way more impressive than what is visible.

And it is in the Pallava kingdom, you have the genesis of the south-asian script or 'Pallava Grantha'. Whenever and wherever you read Tamil or see it's alphabets, remember that it had its origins in the Pallava Grantha. Here is a list of all the languages that owe its existence to the Pallava kingdom as their scripts have their root in this grantha

Tamil
Telugu
Malayalam
Tulu
Sinhalese
Malay
Bahasa Indonesia
Thai
And how many pages does the great Pallava dynasty get in our textbook"¦ u guessed it"¦ ZERO.

and Finally

The Cholas

In a speaking convention, the best speaker is always reserved for the last. In a farwell party for your seniors, the most popular guy is always honoured last. So I am mentioning the most important empire in Pre-Islmic Indian history, which also happens to be the most shortchanged, The Cholas, Last.

Just to give you an idea, the Chola empire, if it existed today would have spanned

India
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh
Myanmar
Thailand
Malaysia
Indonesia
Vietnam
Singapore
Maldives
Still not able to visualize the expanse of the Chola Empire, Let me help you

Clearly, Cholas did not know what the word small meant.

Cholas were one of the earliest empires in Indian history, with some estimates dating them back to almost 300 B.C. They are even mentioned by Emperor Ashoka in his pillars, as a friendly empire in the south. Their recorded downfall is in the 1250's. In pre-medieval India's highly fluid power equations, the Chola empire was the one and perhaps the only constant.

The good stuff about the Cholas first. I am sure all of you must have heard of the beautiful and the grand temples all over Tamil Nadu. It was the Cholas who added the adjective grand before the temples. The kind of made it a fashion statement to build big temples, covered with intricate carvings, a trend which was essentially followed by his successors transcending empires.

Ever heard of the Brihadeeshwara Temple in Tanjore. It was built by Raja Raja Chola in the 11th century. Let me tell you some quick facts about this place of worship

The Shivling in this temple is the largest of its kind, in the world.
The Nandi outside, is, again, the largest in the world.
The base of the temple is supposed to be so big, that the shadow of its massive 'gopuram' actually does not fall on the ground.
The top of the 'gopuram' consists of a single granite stone weighing approximately 82 tonnes (82,000 Kgs for those weak in metrics). Now, this being 11th century AD, it was a problem getting that big piece of rock to a height of 63 Metres. So what did the Cholas do?
Unsurprisingly they built the world's largest transport ramp, using some kick-ass trigonometry, which stretched all the way to about 20 Kms, all the way inclining towards the top, which basically allowed the elephants to push the rock all the way up.
Once on top, they sent masons to do some intricate carvings on that stone, as if somebody would notice at that height.

No wonder it is called 'Big' Temple

Any emperor or empire will consider this piece of art to be the peak of their artistic prowess which will be talked about for generations to come. But Cholas being the Cholas, weren't satisfied. Raja Raja's son Rajendra went on to build an exact replica of this temple at a place called Gangai Konda Cholapuram, near the modern town of Chidambaram.



Two big temples, takes quite a beating doesn't it. Sadly the second temple is not even mentioned in the history books, anywhere. None outside Tamil Nadu even know about its existence, even today.

And also did I tell you, the Cholas were the first in the world to build a fully functional water diversion/water regulation system in the world. Chola king Karikalan built this 329 feet stone dam over the river Kaveri and a network of canals, in 1st century AD, for water storage and irrigation. So when most of the western world was still eating raw animal flesh, Cholas were building dams, navigable canals and were irrigating 10,00,000 (1 Million) hectares of land in their kingdom.

And before I forget, the system they built is in use even today!!!

I don't have to tell you whether our historians bothered to mention this thing in our textbook.

In case you think Cholas were your peace loving, violence shying role model Emperors, let me move on to some of their badass stuff

Cholas pioneered in the 6th century what we today know as the Navy. Use of ships for fighting battles existed, Battle of Salamis was probably the first naval engagement ever recorded, but Cholas took Naval warfare to an entirely new level. They probably were the first ones to make their Navy a totally independent service with its own powers and not the extension of the army as was the norm then. They also were the first to pioneer the concept of building exclusive fighting ships and the first to implement the idea of fleets.

Their ship building program was instituted and ships were designed and built for different purposes. Trap ships (They called themselves 'Kannis' which means a 'virgin' in Tamil. They even had a sense of humour) to lure the enemies into traps, destroyers to do what their name suggests, supply ships etc were the some of the different types of Chola Naval vessels. Cholas also were one of the first to evolve strategic naval doctrines, advanced ship formations and naval warfare tactics. They were the first ones to start operating ships in fleets. The smallest fleet in the Chola navy consisted of about 12 ships and the largest went up to 500 or more vessels.

In three words, They kicked ass"¦

And to match their tactical nous, they augmented their vessels with the then state of the art weaponry, both indigenous and imported from China. Their ships were equipped with catapults and probably the first ship-based flamethrowers. Chola navies were routinely known to annihilate enemies five times their number. The Chola navy, in one line, could be described as

Awesome tactics+Brilliant Ships+Latest Weaponry= Bad news for the enemy

This combination enabled Cholas, to practice the first ever recorded instance of what is today called 'Gunboat Diplomacy'. Sri Vijaya empire, ruling Cambodia, had the guts to actually sack a Chola Merchant convoy. Cholas responded by taking two fleets of about 500 ships each and obliterating the Sri Vijaya kingdom out of existence. The neighboring king of Kambujadesa, terrified of what happened to his colleague, basically folded his hands, bowed his head and sent an ornamental chariot to appease the Cholas and declared them as his rulers. And Cholas didn't even have to fire a single shot.

It is also believed by some sources, that Cholas because of a navigational error, landed in Sri Lanka by mistake. And just for fun, they went on to capture the entire country. There is no actual proof of this but knowing the Cholas, this is quite possible.

At their peak Chola ships consisted of about 1000-1500 battle ships divided into 4 fleets placed in strategic locations like Cambodia, Sri Lanka and Kaveripoompatinam in Tamil Nadu also known as Poompuhar. They were so powerful that the Chinese actually requested Cholas to stop the rampant piracy in the straits of Malacca. They even merited mentions in dispatches in faraway Greece for their naval expertise.

And they were no mugs on the land either. Recall the Gangai Konda Cholapuram temple built by Rajaendra Cholan? It literally means 'Subduing of the river Ganges'. He built the city in honour of his march upto the Ganges river. A south Indian empire stretching from the River Kaveri in the south all the way up to the River Ganga in the North deserves much better treatment in our history books. As one of my friend's said, if the Cholas had been born in America, DC or Marvel comics would have transformed them into super-heroes with a body of adamantium. Because they were born in India, they get about a quarter page in the text-book.

There were in all a total of 16 Chola kings in the Chola Empire. For all of you who actually read that chapter, you will find only the names of two (Raja Raja Chola and Rajendra Chola) have been mentioned. And all the other kings and important details of their empire have been completely eliminated.

There were other empires too at that time who find next to no mention or even worse no mention at all in our History textbooks. The Rashtrakutas ruling what today will be Maharashtra, Karnataka and Andhra were singularly responsible for three of the top four tourist destinations in the state of Maharashtra today. I am talking about the Ajanta, Ellora and the Elephanta Caves. A Special mention to the Kailas temple in Ellora which is the world's largest temple cut out of a single piece of rock.


This whole thing was built out of one single piece of rock!!!

Same was the case with the Yadavas, who built the fort of Devagiri or Daulatabad, made famous later by the idiot Mohammad Bin Tughlaq. You know why he specifically chose Devgiri to move his capital?

It is the only fort in recorded history that hasn't yet fallen in an open battle. It was captured by Alaudiin Khilji through deceit and bribery, but was not won in a fight. Who built it..The Yadavs? Are they mentioned in the History textbook? If you said 'No', You got the answer right.

I am not against the lessons on the Islamic empire and their conquests, brutal as they may have been. They are a part of our history. But my question is, aren't these emperors and their empires a part of our history too? Haven't these empires contributed to our way of life, our values and principles more than the Islamic kings have ever done? And by eliminating these kingdoms from our history, aren't you depriving our generation of this great knowledge?

And by this wholesale deletion, aren't you mutilating history?
 

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Our country, like many other (Eastern societies) has been infiltrated by fifth column elements, mostly raised by Western systems.
Some people will call them socialists, secularists or whatever, but to be noted is that all of them originate and are propagated/fed by the West.

The infiltration by these elements take on many facets of society from media, to literature (including history), to religious institutions, to educational institutions, to forms of government, to forms of judiciary and so on.

Essentially infiltration by traitors placed in key positions who copy Western systems and forget and wipe out our history and culture, by convincing people that these Western systems are somehow superior.

Me too used to think, thanks to the indoctrination in our education system, that everything Western is pure gold. First hand experience told me, truth is far from that. This destruction of history and culture is done not only in India but also in countries in SE Asia, Japan, S. Korea.

Take for example S. Korea a buddhist country. Due to occupation (American) and heavy infiltration activities now 1 in 3 koreans is a Christian.

Already users here know of the deceitful means used by Christian organizations to harvest souls, in India. I was recently surprised that these Christian organizations also operate in Japan (a supposedly homogenous country) under various guises.

One of their key areas is education.
Essentially capturing education area allows access to young malleable minds. Happens in Japan and certainly happens in India.
Another area is media, Japan has less than 1% Christian yet recently christian symbolism has started appearing to a greater degree in Japan. Why in a country of less than 1% christians ? Yes, infiltration.

So in closing, the age old assault of Western/Abrahamic (Christian, Judaic, Islamic) traditions on Eastern traditional systems (Dharmic, East-Asian, Orthodox etc) continues and people don't even realize it. :tsk: :tsk:

Only way to fight back is to stop being meek and start exposing these elements, one by one.

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Also regarding the Chozhas and Cheras and pandiyas. Would it be right in saying that these three are among the longest ruling dynasties. I know the medivial chozhas may not be directly related to the early chozhas but they still carry the same name.
And all three of them ruled from around 4th/5th century BCE (maybe earlier) to around 12th century CE, w/ a few centuries of non-rule in b/w.
Only contender I can think of is the Imperial Japanese Dynasty (Yamato Dynasty.) They claim to begin at 6th century BCE running up till now (though now they are under American occupation.)
 
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Knowledge is power and ignorance is doom. Half knowledge is even more dangerous.
To destroy a nation without firing a single bullet, you have to remove their knowledge of own roots and history and if possible suppliment it with what you want to feed.
If they don't know who they are and what has happened to them, then they can't see what is coming next either.
Such people either completely become somebody else or get obliterated from the face of this planet.
 

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What an awesome article.

Forwarding it to Chindichor historian Ramachandra Guha, and if possible, Romila Thapar.
 

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Nice article.

I would like to say that I did know both about Harshavardhana and Pala empire of Bengal. In fact the Pala empire was one of the largest empires that India had ever seen and was also one of the most well governed ones. The Palas were Buddhists who patronised both Hindu and Buddhist scholars. They also established a society where there was no casteism or jatived. In fact this casteless society was established years before people like Ambedkar,Phule etc advocated equality for the untouchables. Sadly they were overthrown by the Sena dynasty and ultimately by the Muslims. The Palas were from varendra Bhumi of bengal. Varendra Brahmins like Maitra are from this region. In fact I take great pride from the Palas and their origins being a Maitra myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varendra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitra

As for history being rewritten who can forget the tiny chapter that is devoted to the true father of the Nation,Netaji while the majority of our history books is filled with the deeds of a nonviolent murderer.
 
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The only important lesson I remember from history is how to memorize the muslim kingdoms.

Gu Kha tasle mein- gulam khilzi tuglaq lodi mughal in that order.
 

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Our country, like many other (Eastern societies) has been infiltrated by fifth column elements, mostly raised by Western systems.
Some people will call them socialists, secularists or whatever, but to be noted is that all of them originate and are propagated/fed by the West.

The infiltration by these elements take on many facets of society from media, to literature (including history), to religious institutions, to educational institutions, to forms of government, to forms of judiciary and so on.

Essentially infiltration by traitors placed in key positions who copy Western systems and forget and wipe out our history and culture, by convincing people that these Western systems are somehow superior.

Me too used to think, thanks to the indoctrination in our education system, that everything Western is pure gold. First hand experience told me, truth is far from that. This destruction of history and culture is done not only in India but also in countries in SE Asia, Japan, S. Korea.

Take for example S. Korea a buddhist country. Due to occupation (American) and heavy infiltration activities now 1 in 3 koreans is a Christian.

Korea was a Confucian country. The Joseon Dynasty was Confucian and suppressed Buddhism . On the other hand the Japanese were staunch Shinto-Buddhists. The reason why I like the Japanese is that they have maintained their ancient Buddhist and Shinto traditions unlike the Koreans.
Korea entered the 20th century with almost the totality of its population believing in the indigenous shamanic religion and practicing Confucian rites and ancestral worship.[3] Korean Buddhism, despite its long history and cultural influence, at the dawn of the 20th century was moribund, reduced to a tiny minority after 500 years of suppression by the strictly Neo-Confucian Joseon kingdom,[4] which also disregarded traditional cults.[5] Communities of Christians already existed prior to the 1880s, when the crumbling Joseon state and its intelligentsia endorsed a large influx of Catholic and especially Protestant missionaries from the West.[6] The king of Korea himself and his family tacitly supported Christianity.[7] During the absorption of Korea into the Japanese Empire the already formed link of Christianity with Korean nationalism was strengthened.[8]
Religion in North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Religion in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Japanese wanted to spread Buddhism around the world. However those evil British and other allies stopped their plan.
IMO Buddhism is actually a part of Hinduism.
 
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Korea was a Confucian country. The Joseon Dynasty was Confucian and suppressed Buddhism . On the other hand the Japanese were staunch Shinto-Buddhists. The reason why I like the Japanese is that they have maintained their ancient Buddhist and Shinto traditions unlike the Koreans.


Religion in North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Religion in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Japanese wanted to spread Buddhism around the world. However those evil British and other allies stopped their plan.
IMO Buddhism is actually a part of Hinduism.
I went through (gliding) the links you provided. And yup, from the 5th century CE to about 15th century Korea seems to be Buddhist. Then it became neo-Confucian and later christian.

But I feel Buddhist elements can also be felt in the traditions of Korea. For eg. a friend of mine (a muslim) from Southern Thailand, recently mailed me some pictures of a taekwondo camp he went to, in Seoul. He said that each day before the camp, they came to a buddhist temple and prostrated 100 times.

I would say the Japnaese religion is Shinto with elements of Buddhism added in.
There was an attempt in Japan also, to suppress buddhism ("Buddhist hunts" after the Meiji Restoration if I'm not mistaken). But the Japanese fused elements of Shinto and buddhism.
This is the good thing about dharmic and Eastern systems, it is possible (at least theoretically) to find harmonius ways to combine. Such things are not possible in Abrahamics (christianity, islam , judaics.) So for eg. The xtians tried to topple the govt. in Japan (and thankfully were brutally suppressed.) This was called Shimabara rebellion. The xtians also destroyed a good deal of cultural heritage where ever they could, during this rebellion. Similarly in China; Taiping rebellion, wherein christians tried to overthrow govt., and were brutally and rightfully crushed by Qing. Also in Korea, when christian numbers started swelling they started a "movement to defeat the worship of gods" ( Misin tapa undong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) wherein they destroyed a good deal of cultural heritage of Korea.
So yeah when possible the christians (just like their brother the jews and muslims) are also capable of terrorist acts.
But their recent tactic is one of silent war, a stealthy deceptive war. As they say "All warfare is based on deception."
Of course all is fair in war. But everyone should be aware of these things. Their major target in countries like India, korea, japan are media and education systems.
 
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Aryan invasion theory was a propaganda invented for British for divide and rule policy and to spread Hinduphobia.
 

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A Very interesting Article at : The Kaipullai's Vetti Thoughts : The outer playground of my inner devil | The greatest Heist in Indian history..How Indian History was changed and we didn't even notice. Part 1:The lost eon 6th Century B.C to 1174 A.D

Please read the original article at the link above. Besides some well placed images, there are some interesting comments and discussions at its bottom.
Sometime back I found this letter of Max Muller which he wrote to his wife in 1867.

TO HIS WIFE, OXFORD, December 9, 1867.

""¦I feel convinced, though I shall not live to see it, that this edition of mine and the translation of the Veda will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India, and on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the root of their religion, and to show them what that root is, I feel sure, the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last 3,000 years."
 

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Aryan invasion theory was a propaganda invented for British for divide and rule policy and to spread Hinduphobia.
Knowledge is power and ignorance is doom. Half knowledge is even more dangerous.
To destroy a nation without firing a single bullet, you have to remove their knowledge of own roots and history and if possible suppliment it with what you want to feed.
If they don't know who they are and what has happened to them, then they can't see what is coming next either.
Such people either completely become somebody else or get obliterated from the face of this planet.
Sometime back I found this letter of Max Muller which he wrote to his wife in 1867.

TO HIS WIFE, OXFORD, December 9, 1867.

""¦I feel convinced, though I shall not live to see it, that this edition of mine and the translation of the Veda will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India, and on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the root of their religion, and to show them what that root is, I feel sure, the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last 3,000 years."
for all their hijacking of history, uprooting of culture and whatever else,
our boys and girls at university and Masters level
are outperforming not only the brits but actually virtually all countries
except perhaps China
and we are producing more technology PhD's than all of britain and usa together

so they came they tried to keep us down
they tried all sorts of tricks , twists and turns

.....and they failed !,
royally !
 
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But @roma ji, the scientific achievements aside, we have all but lost the essence and the pride in our ancient culture. I see kids of today who know a fart about the stories of Ramayana and Mahabharat, well perhaps except for mocking or joking references to our mythologies. They have been led to affirm that their culture starts with the independence movement.... preceded by a lot of invasions by the brits and the middle east barbarians.

In a generation or two we will lose all the self confidence in our ancient culture and would be no different from the pakis..... looking to the arabs or the west for inspiration and approval.

for all their hijacking of history, uprooting of culture and whatever else,
our boys and girls at university and Masters level
are outperforming not only the brits but actually virtually all countries
except perhaps China
and we are producing more technology PhD's than all of britain and usa together

so they came they tried to keep us down
they tried all sorts of tricks , twists and turns

.....and they failed !,
royally !
 
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There's no doubt that material success has been achieved, but there have been cultural and civilizational setbacks as well.
It is not unique to India however. It has happened to many other countries.
Time will tell ...
 

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for all their hijacking of history, uprooting of culture and whatever else,
our boys and girls at university and Masters level
are outperforming not only the brits but actually virtually all countries
except perhaps China
and we are producing more technology PhD's than all of britain and usa together

so they came they tried to keep us down
they tried all sorts of tricks , twists and turns

.....and they failed !,
royally !
Brits did a great blunder by exposing Indians to the English language. :pound::pound:
 

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Nice article.

I would like to say that I did know both about Harshavardhana and Pala empire of Bengal. In fact the Pala empire was one of the largest empires that India had ever seen and was also one of the most well governed ones. The Palas were Buddhists who patronised both Hindu and Buddhist scholars. They also established a society where there was no casteism or jatived. In fact this casteless society was established years before people like Ambedkar,Phule etc advocated equality for the untouchables. Sadly they were overthrown by the Sena dynasty and ultimately by the Muslims. The Palas were from varendra Bhumi of bengal. Varendra Brahmins like Maitra are from this region. In fact I take great pride from the Palas and their origins being a Maitra myself.

Varendra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pala Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maitra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for history being rewritten who can forget the tiny chapter that is devoted to the true father of the Nation,Netaji while the majority of our history books is filled with the deeds of a nonviolent murderer.
BTW I have seen huge number of Bangladeshis trying to demonize the Sena Dynasty and singing praises for Bakhityar Khilji.
 

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BTW I have seen huge number of Bangladeshis trying to demonize the Sena Dynasty and singing praises for Bakhityar Khilji.
Bakhtiyar Khilji murdered a lot of Bengalis. Those BDs praising him do not know about the terror he unleashed in Bengal.

As for Sena dynasty there is a great deal of controversy. They were Hindu kings. They started the Kulin protha in Bengal and gave importance to Rarhi Brahmins of Bengal(Mukherji,Chaterjee,Banerjee etc). The caste system became more rigid and many Buddhists were persecuted. Now this indirectly led to their demise. The oppressed Buddhists/low castes started helping the foreign invaders like Khilji.(Of course they did not know how devastating this would turn out to be.)

One important point to note is that the Sena dynasty is not the last Hindu dynasty of Bengal. They were many periods between the rule of the Nawabs when Hindu dynasties ruled over Bengal. Also one should remember that while the Muslims did have control over Bengal, it was through the zamindars who were mostly Hindu bengalis. The Nawabs tried to convert this zamindars but failed. A famous example would be that of Tagore family. R. Tagore`s family were originally Hindus who were forcibly converted to Muslims and then they reverted back to Hinduism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulin_Brahmins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Brahmins
 
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A Very interesting Article at : The Kaipullai's Vetti Thoughts : The outer playground of my inner devil | The greatest Heist in Indian history..How Indian History was changed and we didn't even notice. Part 1:The lost eon 6th Century B.C to 1174 A.D

Please read the original article at the link above. Besides some well placed images, there are some interesting comments and discussions at its bottom.
I read this blog years ago on a different forum...cannot remember where..probably on BR. This guy was pretty young when he wrote this stuff up.
 

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But @roma ji, the scientific achievements aside, we have all but lost the essence and the pride in our ancient culture. I see kids of today who know a fart about the stories of Ramayana and Mahabharat, well perhaps except for mocking or joking references to our mythologies. They have been led to affirm that their culture starts with the independence movement.... preceded by a lot of invasions by the brits and the middle east barbarians.
In a generation or two we will lose all the self confidence in our ancient culture and would be no different from the pakis..... looking to the arabs or the west for inspiration and approval.
true, your are absolutely correct , at least i tihink so when you wrote about the kids of today .......
admittedly , i myself hosted a fair amount of bias against our culture, never about our ability or mental strength
but rather our cohesiveness as a nation and our management - and it took a few decades till now to really
get rid of it , so i cant really blame todays kids
fact is economic and social cohesiveness plays a tremendous role and as a nation we kinda fiailed in that
area - but still our performane was a wee bit bettr that israels - they completely lost their land -
but they made a comeback from worse circumstances than ours, so we can too |

There's no doubt that material success has been achieved, but there have been cultural and civilizational setbacks as well.
It is not unique to India however. It has happened to many other countries.
Time will tell ...
agree ...and it seems to me that we are close to the turning point , where culturally we are getting stronger
because the economic well -being which supports the culture is also getting stronger.

Brits did a great blunder by exposing Indians to the English language. :pound::pound:
heeheh ....yeah but consider the contrarian point of view, that they didnt really make much effort to teach it to us .
The language was available, and it was we who clamped on to it with our intellectual force ,
rather than they - i dont think they went out of their way to teach it to us
i think it was we who went out of our way to master the language , which after all is taken from ours ?
so there already was an in-built ability in us to be pretty good at it ?
 
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heeheh ....yeah but consider the contrarian point of view, that they didnt really make much effort to teach it to us .
The language was available, and it was we who clamped on to it with our intellectual force ,
rather than they - i dont think they went out of their way to teach it to us
i think it was we who went out of our way to master the language , which after all is taken from ours ?
so there already was an in-built ability in us to be pretty good at it ?
I believe you have heard of Orientalists and Anglicists debates in early 1800s. Orientalists were in favour of education in Indian languages and Anglicists in favour of English and finally Lord Macaulay's wish prevailed, his initial plan was creating a breed of self hating brown Indians through Western education but his western education did something else. But anyway, the present world dominance of English language is not because of Brits but Americans. I heard few decades back there was obsession in Europe to learn French as a second language but they have slowly shifted towards English.
 

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Bakhtiyar Khilji murdered a lot of Bengalis. Those BDs praising him do not know about the terror he unleashed in Bengal.

As for Sena dynasty there is a great deal of controversy. They were Hindu kings. They started the Kulin protha in Bengal and gave importance to Rarhi Brahmins of Bengal(Mukherji,Chaterjee,Banerjee etc). The caste system became more rigid and many Buddhists were persecuted. Now this indirectly led to their demise. The oppressed Buddhists/low castes started helping the foreign invaders like Khilji.(Of course they did not know how devastating this would turn out to be.)

One important point to note is that the Sena dynasty is not the last Hindu dynasty of Bengal. They were many periods between the rule of the Nawabs when Hindu dynasties ruled over Bengal. Also one should remember that while the Muslims did have control over Bengal, it was through the zamindars who were mostly Hindu bengalis. The Nawabs tried to convert this zamindars but failed. A famous example would be that of Tagore family. R. Tagore`s family were originally Hindus who were forcibly converted to Muslims and then they reverted back to Hinduism.

Kulin Brahmins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bengali Brahmins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palas were the last great patron of Buddhism in India. Buddhist persecution by Hindu kings part looks rather fishy to me. I have heard similar stories about Guptas, provided the Gupta emperors themselves funded the foundation of Nalanda University. Leftist generally tries to portray Buddhism as a some social movement against Hinduism, reading about lifetime or teaching about Buddha, you will never get a glimpse of anti-Hindu thing. Even Buddhism didn't eradicated with the reign of Shunga dynasty but flourished until the invasion of Bakhtiyar Khilji.
 

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