The Fascist Pakistan Army: Invaders of Their Own Country

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QM, where were we insulting? We just asked a poster to back up her claims. Is that wrong? And what good do you expect to come out from this discussion? Are you are suffering from propaganda or I am suffering from selective myopia?
Boss point out the things in particular put your points and move on don't compare unnecessarily just for the hack of it (Pointing towards racism). Point out if anything racial is written.
Holy cow! Am talking about the topic and you guys are taking it on yourself. Guess my communication skills are poor for I never get to put forth my point accurately.

"Fascist pak army" is the name of the topic. What can be more insulting than that tone?
 

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Holy cow! Am talking about the topic and you guys are taking it on yourself. Guess my communication skills are poor for I never get to put forth my point accurately.

"Fascist pak army" is the name of the topic. What can be more insulting than that tone?
Did you not get that or I am insane? The title of the post is what is there. We here at DFI did not create it. We go by originality.
 

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Just few words for pakistan.
"hame to apno ne loota gairo me kahna dum tha- meri kashti wahna dubi jahna pani kam tha".
 

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QM if you have problem with the title refute it with points rather then trying to derail the thread
 

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no

Indians = Saviour Truth

Anything Anti-Pak = Divine truth
cant agree more with you on this.

The posters who dont agree with the contents should provide counter proofs against what is being said through the articles. just whining and crying makes the articles look closer to the truth.
 

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Holy cow! Am talking about the topic and you guys are taking it on yourself. Guess my communication skills are poor for I never get to put forth my point accurately.

"Fascist pak army" is the name of the topic. What can be more insulting than that tone?
Then according to you what should be the title? Holier then cow PA or Dow PA or what?
 

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Fact is... this whole topic is rather offensive and as QM told...you cant blame a 500k size army coz of a few bad apples
If A rupee news article was posted here no one would read it nor would anyone try to disprove it logically ..its same The Title Fascists pak army (Original or not) is itself enough for Pakistani members not to reply..
 

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Fact is... this whole topic is rather offensive and as QM told...you cant blame a 500k size army coz of a few bad apples
If A rupee news article was posted here no one would read it nor would anyone try to disprove it logically ..its same The Title Fascists pak army (Original or not) is itself enough for Pakistani members not to reply..
Wow few bad apples great so they are just acting independently and others are holier then cow what logic is this? If some body is not interested in replying don't reply or if there is problem then report the post rather then shouting around and derailing the thread
 

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The common knowledge the world over is that Pakistan Army controls Pakistan's economy, their civilian government, terrorists and it's networks, terrorist financiers, the ISI etc. And the post proves that. I expected some members from Pakistan to debate over the post. But, as the saying goes 'if you cannot convince them; confuse them', posters have been trying to confuse this thread with their own opinions about the title of the post rather than discuss the points of the post. This thread has become a burden of derailment and flames. I would request Mods to close this thread
 

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UN slapped on the face of fascist Government of Pakistan

Written by (Author )EditorialsJun 4, 2010
It was not surprising for Human Rights activists around the globe that finally United Nations has come forward to point finger towards fascists and activities, there is no doubt that entire junta ruling over Pakistan would face War Crimes against Humanity in International Courts of Justice one day, whether it would take years but war criminals would have to face trials.
Keep records and images of culprits and like Sri Lankan officials who broke the records of barbarism and now facing criticism from all around the world, last week Pakistan army has sent Commodore Nadeem Anjum of National Defence University to learn methods of extra judicial killings and use of force against civilians.
There is no doubt that lust of free U.S. dollars has made Generals and corrupt politicians the hooded snakes of the full moon, dancing on the tunes of their masters the known snack charmers, the Imperialists are not only using snake charmers flute but in spite of milk those are showering dollars to keep serpents under their control. There is no shortage of evidences; peoples have ledgers full of war crimes of army generals and ruling government.
Everybody know that UNO is helpless to summon war criminals but we appreciate that any one, anyone in the whole United Nations has courage to warn war criminals about their obligations to UN Charters. It is an old technique of Imperialists that if any one speaks about Geneva Convention or Charter of Human Rights that is declared terrorist.
Here two reports of UNO are directly related to war crimes of Pakistan Army, Pakistan Air Force and corrupt politicians. We have unchallengeable evidences that Pakistan Government is using "Terrorism" as a source of regular income. World renowned criminals and thugs are running current Government of Pakistan, its President, Prime Minister, Minister of Interior and majority of parliamentarians are thugs, criminals and swindlers. Many have criminal records and their friendship with Anglo-Americans is a stigma on the name of civilization. None of its general wants to be retired, and at least three generals are working on extensions, many have been provided high profile jobs after retirement or the generals near to their retirement are black mailing for extensions. In each case the "Terrorism" is a juggler's drum for making money, a profession and a full time job to make Westerners fool, and to keep them under fear of an unseen gigantic monster.
There is a long list of terrorism incidences where top officials have been found involved with terrorists. Whether Faisal Shahzad an alleged New York bomber was not son of a top Air Force chief or other Khald Khawaja was not a Military official. In ruling party the provincial government in at least two provinces is composed of international terrorists, in frontier the ANP is ruling that are known communists and agents of KGB, those made Pakistan hell on behest of Russia, In Sindh province the ruling MQM is known terrorist group, just type in Google and you would be surprised to see thousands of documents and reports against Zaradri, ANP and MQM.
The credibility of Pakistan Government could be judged by their efforts to please U.S. that Generals sold citizens for dollars and after passing many years U.S. is mulling for punishment but not a single person has been indicted in proper legal way. In Pakistan at least 15000 persons are missing, more than 25, 000 are being killed with the help of artillery and air force, and more than 10,000 are under custody without any trial or producing in courts of law since last one year. Pakistan army is itself a terrorist gang that killed more than 2500 peoples in target killings and their dead bodies were thrown on road sides. The strength of peoples forced to exodus is above 3 million persons.
Have you ever heard in the history of mankind that old, women and children have been forced to produce alleged person. It happens in Pakistan that more than 75 families or more than 300 persons are forced out of their homes. Those have been thrown in jungle without any support by Pakistan army.
Cruelty has its limits and when a barbarian crosses limits than nature comes forward to stop those hands. Following reports of United Nations is a slap on the face of Imperialists and their toddies sitting at top of Pakistan Government as well. It is time for UNO to collect data of such war criminals with the list of their war crimes.
 

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Khawaja Asif Revolts against Army Feudalism
Khawaja Asif of PML-N revolts against Army Feudalism in a fascinating budget 2006/7 speech in National Assembly.



 
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Pakistan a country steeped in feudal age fundamentalism and religious fascism got help from the Super Power USA to build up and army of religious fighters in order to defeat the communists . This religious movement will later create terrorism as we know it today . CIA and Pakistan(ISI) Created the Taliban and Al Quida

 
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Following are the excerpts from the book Fascisim of Army Complied By: S. M. Farid available for download at scribd.


The Massacre at Bajaur
It is unfortunate that a national institution has lost its professionalism to a great
extent. The obvious reason being the heavy involvement of the generals in politicking
and their greed for wealth and other undue privileges.
S. Farooq Hasnat
On October 3oth, the Pakistan army, as according to its own admission, wittingly killed
scores of Pakistanis in the Khar village, located in Bajaur Agency, near the Afghan
border. The army spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan, gloating over the
"success" claimed that in this operation gunship helicopters and precision weapons
were used. Some eyewitnesses claimed that it was the American Predator Drone that
fired missiles at the site, while the Pakistani official said that the Americans only
provided intelligence. The Bajaur political officials barred local and representatives of
foreign news agencies from entering the vicinity where this massacre took place. A
noted newspaper editorial remarked that "the decision to ban journalists' entry into
the Bajaur agency is not prudent. It suggests that the government may have much to
hide."
In the first week of October, Foreign Minister Kasuri was reported to have said that
Pakistan has made clear (to the U.S.) that it would not kill its own people in the tribal
areas. He said that "use of military force is not the solution of problems and political
matters are resolved through talks." A CNN interview quoted his saying that ""¦there's
a time when not just brawn but brains are also needed," Foreign Minister told CNN's
Late Edition. "Sometimes what happens is that when you have acts of violence you
end up alienating the local population."
The attack at Khar came as a surprise and as a tragic incident, for the people of
Pakistan. The residents of Bajaur were shocked as they were gearing up for a North
Waziristan type peace agreement. The signing ceremony was to take place after few
hours.
It should be pointed out that the American officials have been critical of the previous
peace deal between the government of Pakistan and the residents of the tribal areas,
in North Waziristan. Apparently, the Bush administration demands the Pakistan
government to use high handed methods against its own people. No matter, why and
how it happened, there is no excuse for killing more than 80 Pakistanis. The manner in
which this attack was conducted and the approach through which the government
spokesmen justified it, raises lots of questions and doubts. A renowned Human Rights
Organization Amnesty International issued a statement saying that "if these killings
were deliberate and took place without first attempting to arrest suspected offenders,
without warning, without the suspects offering armed resistance, and in circumstances
in which suspects posed no immediate risk to security forces, the killings are
considered extrajudicial executions in violation of international human rights law."
There is enough evidence by the foreign and Pakistani journalists that there were
children at the premises and that the air attack was more than from the Pakistani air
force. As mentioned earlier just after few hours a peace treaty was going to be signed
with the tribal elders, on the same pattern as that of Waziristan. Part of the North
Waziristan deal read, "There will be no target killing and no parallel administration in
the agency. The writ of the state will prevail in the area". Those who carried out
December 30 Bajaur killings did so to sabotage peace in the tribal areas and as a
consequence the unity of Pakistan is undermined and Army's image is further
tarnished.
Some analysts like Hassan Abbas argue that a high percentage of Pashtoon
representation in the Army led to the Waziristan agreement. While others agree that in

reality the Army suffered a "defeat" at the battle ground. According to government's
own admission more than 700 of its men lost their lives. The Army just fled as they
have done before, in East Pakistan and Kargil. This was in spite of the fact that more
than 80,000 Pakistani military troops are deployed along the tribal areas of the Afghan
border. It was believed at that time that the best option for the establishment was to
talk to the tribesmen through their representatives.
Another category of arguments goes that it was a pro Taliban faction with which the
government entered into an agreement in Waziristan. The Taliban of the 1990s were
prompted and encouraged by the Army and the tribes were made to believe that by
supporting the Taliban they were helping the Pakistan Army, if not Pakistan, itself.
Then, came that famous somersault in 2001. Any expert on human psychology would
agree that it's not an easy matter for the groups with conviction (instilled or
otherwise) to turnaround and change their opinion, overnight. The change in attitudes
comes through dialogue and persuasion. The use of force in such circumstances is
counter productive and harmful for the unity and strength of the country.
There have been so many blames as well as blunders assigned to the Pakistan Army
that it has become indefensible even for a relentless ally of the establishment to
validate their performance. It is unfortunate that a national institution has lost its
professionalism to a great extent. The obvious reason being the heavy involvement of
the generals in politicking and their greed for wealth and other undue privileges (See
the findings of Hamood ur Rehman Commission Report).They have too many stakes to
guard – strict adherence to professionalism becomes the last option.
The crux of the matter is that one person is playing havoc with the civil, military and
social institutions of Pakistan. His most serious crime in the eyes of many Pakistanis is
that apart from tearing down the national institutions he is also deforming the
language, culture, heritage and above all the sovereignty of Pakistan
Pakistan: Over 80 people victims of possible extrajudicial execution in Bajaur
Amnesty International Statement

Public Statement: November 1, 2006
Amnesty International is concerned that at least 82 people in a madrassa (religious
school) may have been extrajudicially executed in an aerial attack at dawn of 30
October in Bajaur, a designated tribal area near the border with Afghanistan. No
attempt appears to have been made to arrest the victims who were described by army
spokesman Major-General Shaukat Sultan as some 70 to 80 "militants" who were
"training and learning terrorist tactics" in the madrassa.
Local people said the victims were clerics and students of the school, many of them
under 18. Correspondents said that amongst the dead were children as young as six
years old.
Local people have stated that the initial attack was carried out by drones. Villagers
have reported hearing loud explosions and observing the destruction of the madrassa.
This was followed some 20 minutes later by the appearance of two helicopter gunships
which also fired rockets into the area. The villagers reportedly said that they had
observed drones in the days before the attack flying over the village.
Pakistan Army spokesman Shaukat Sultan denied US involvement in the aerial attack
which, he said, had been carried out by Pakistani helicopter gunships targeting the
madrassa compound which had been under surveillance for some time. A US military
spokesman in Afghanistan denied, too, any US involvement in the air strike.
Amnesty International would like to remind the Pakistani authorities that if these
killings were deliberate and took place without first attempting to arrest suspected
offenders, without warning, without the suspects offering armed resistance, and in
circumstances in which suspects posed no immediate risk to security forces, the
killings are considered extrajudicial executions in violation of international human
rights law.
Under international human rights law and standards, every human being has the
inherent right to life. Arbitrary deprivation of life, including extrajudicial executions, is
always unlawful and no circumstances – war or any public emergency – may be
invoked as a justification of such executions. All allegations of extrajudicial executions
must be immediately and impartially investigated with the view to bringing to justice
those responsible for ordering and carrying them out.
Under international human rights standards, security forces may only use firearms
when a suspected offender offers armed resistance or otherwise jeopardizes the lives
of others and less extreme measures are not sufficient to restrain or apprehend the
suspected offender.
In has been reported that journalists seeking access to the area were turned back by
the army. This has resulted in an absence of independent reporting from the area
affected.
 

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Pakistan's Existence: A need or a burden?


Guest Column: By Syed Jamaluddin.

(These are the personal views of the author who is from Pakistan now living in Europe. He has written a book "Divide Pakistan to eliminate Terrorism' which has recently figured in some reports carried by the media. We had asked him what made him write the book. This is his response SAAG)

Regardless of the fact that the advocates of two-nation theory have finally realized after half a century that the division of United India was not a good idea for international peace, there is a need to correct mistakes. India's democratic strength for the last 59 years has proved that its existence was fully justified. On the contrary, Pakistan emerged as a failed state for one single reason that a country which was founded by assembling almost eight different nations in the name of Islam, was unable to justify its existence. Since its formation, Pakistan has been a country full of conspiracies, discrepancies, controversies and corruption. Pakistan could not prove its worth as a state and remained just a piece of land occupied by certain opportunists who turned the entire country into their personal property.

The military rulers of Pakistan captured power of this country on numerous occasions thereby proving that the country was not founded for welfare of people living on its soil but for the beginning of a new era of fascism under the disguise of Islam. Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought. Pakistan, therefore, became an example of such Fascism. The military dictators turned the country into a paradise for looters, corrupt politicians, greedy bureacrats, incompetent administrators, uneducated reformers, militant jihadi groups, religious cults, bogus scholars and above-the-law intelligence agencies.

The socalled democracy which prevailed for almost 13 years out of 59 years of its existence in Pakistan produced sophisticated looters of national wealth who used new mechanisms to deprive the country from standing on sound footings. Similarly, the socalled politicians of the country who were rather farmers-turned politicians or businessmen-turned politicians or retired-army-personnel-turned politicians controlled the fate of this country. Such people called the shots. The result is very visible that Pakistan has now become a danger to the entire humanity. Had it been a matter limited within the jurisdiction of Pakistan, there would have never arisen any need to raise any voice, but, the situation is worse than that.

Today's Pakistan has turned into a typical Fascist regime without any ideology. The President of this country wears an army uniform, the Chief Justice of its Supreme Court is treated like an ordinary clerk and pushed on the road by local policemen, the Intelligence agencies rule the country and function beyond any legal boundaries, the socalled religious scholars have become preachers of radical Islam through brainwashing techniques with an aim to produce terrorists, bureacracy has become a tool in the hands of those who use money to do what they want, foreign policy is nothing but pretence and false statements, economy is based on assumptions and above all, this country has gained nuclear power through backdoor.

The whole world has become vulnerable to terrorism. The question is who is masterminding such terrorism? Who is providing all possible support to terrorism? Who is creating terrorist minds? Who is a threat to international peace? The answer is very simple............Pakistan. Pakistan's religious groups are responsible for masterminding the international terrorism. The Tablighi Jamat has been busy for the last 75 years in producing brains who hate Non-Muslims and as such the militant Jihadi groups based in Pakistan are nothing but "fruits" of such brainwashing techniques used by Tablighi Jamat since long. Similarly, support in terms of financial and otherwise is coming from state-owned intelligence agencies. Creation of Taliban and Al-Qaeda are glaring examples of such support by the Pakistan-based intelligence agencies. World's most wanted man is considered as a "Guest" on the soil of Pakistan. Now that Pakistan has nuclear power, is it not correct that entire humanity is vulnerable to any possible disaster? A country which is possessed by forces which are not answerable to any one and which is beyond any legal system is indeed a great threat to the entire world. Pakistan has, therefore, become a burden. This burden needs to be off-loaded by way of its disintegration. Pakistan should be divided into 5 parts or more to crush the terrorist network which has gained its deep roots in present geographic form of Pakistan. My book titled "DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM" advocates necessity of Pakistan's disintegration. An Independent Pakhtoonistan, Baluchistan, Sindhudesh, Jinnahpur and Punjabistan will prevent the current nourishment and spread of terrorism from the soil of Pakistan.
 

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The fascist struggle in Pakistan — by Naveed Afridi

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We have seen the fusing of religious symbolism in the narrative of modern Pakistan, the worship of the armed forces and promotion of adventurous militarism from TV personalities as well as in charismatic figures like Zaid Hamid. We have seen a new generation of Pakistanis willing to completely write off democracy and democratic ideals. They worship Jinnah in a very narrow, almost religious narrative and are not open to examining history with a critical eye. They openly desire military authoritarianism and the persecution of those who are different. They are looking for a strong and charismatic leader who will lead the charge, as propagandists indoctrinate society by justifying the use of violence, killing and the waging of war (with India) in order to keep the nation strong. They reject ethnic and cultural groups that are not considered a part of the fascists' nation.

The fascist struggle in Pakistan

While fascism is a complete subject unto itself and requires a textbook to detail its origins and nature in any meaningful and comprehensive fashion, I think it is safe to say that a brief look into its meaning is relevant for the discussion here. While there is no one self-contained definition, it is agreed upon by many that its core features include a belief in an authoritarian nationalist ideology. Organising society as a uniform collective and rejecting individualism, liberalism and progressive thought tend to be characteristics of these societies. Preoccupied with victim-hood, it uses slogans and symbols from religion and current political social concepts to superficially appear modern and progressive, promising a lack of class distinction and the eradication of all ills from society.

Fascism tends to glorify militarism and uses religion, although it can reject religion as well. Indoctrination and propaganda are tools used to help keep the population uniformly in check.

While no two fascist movements are identical, it becomes hard to predict far in advance where and how they might arise. However, the broader themes described above are common to many. It should be mentioned that a term, 'para-fascism,' is also used where countries or regimes come close to becoming fascist states but are authoritarian and anti-liberal only.

Following the defeat of Germany in World War I, with 37 million casualties and a collapsed economy, law and order became unmanageable. Political parties from the extremes were unable to control the country. It was in this vacuum that the German Workers Party (later known as the Nazi Party) transformed from a ragtag gang of ex-soldiers to lead Germany in a span of just 14 years with Hitler leading as Chancellor.

Central to the philosophy of this movement was national pride, militarism and a focus on societal uniformity, in this case racial purity. The persecution of minorities became the norm, with the horrific results documented in history.

One could argue that Pakistan, with its myriad problems of poor education, poor healthcare, human rights abuses, a fragmenting law and order situation, a major fight between the right-wing and left-wing polar opposites, and, most importantly, a fragmented national pride has found itself not knowing whether its enemies are within or outside. Pakistan is ripe for more violent and sinister movements trying to maintain some semblance of civil structure.

We have seen the fusing of religious symbolism in the narrative of modern Pakistan, the worship of the armed forces and promotion of adventurous militarism from TV personalities as well as in charismatic figures like Zaid Hamid. We have seen a new generation of Pakistanis willing to completely write off democracy and democratic ideals. They worship Jinnah in a very narrow, almost religious narrative and are not open to examining history with a critical eye. They openly desire military authoritarianism and the persecution of those who are different. They are looking for a strong and charismatic leader who will lead the charge, as propagandists indoctrinate society by justifying the use of violence, killing and the waging of war (with India) in order to keep the nation strong. They reject ethnic and cultural groups that are not considered a part of the fascists' nation.

The rise of the fascist movement in Pakistan is a middle class phenomenon and it has traction in primarily urban areas. But like all similar movements in the past it will be doomed to fail. That is certainly a good thing. The bad thing is that much more persecution, violence and human rights abuses will take place before it is sidelined onto the garbage heap of history.

We have enough violence in our country because people remained too afraid to point out potential problem areas when they were developing. We do not need any more fronts for anarchy, hatred and intolerance.
 

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Ex-major's loyalties embody Pakistan's jihad woes

By ASIF SHAHZAD and CHRIS BRUMMITT (AP) – 1 day ago
LAHORE, Pakistan — A former major who trained fighters for war in Afghanistan and Kashmir keeps cropping up in terrorism investigations in Pakistan. But police say the gray-haired grandfather is shielded by his links to the army and powerful intelligence agencies.
The case of Ahsanul Haq shines a light on a murky side of the militancy infecting Pakistan: the extent to which retired members of the security agencies allegedly support or tolerate Islamist militants they once nurtured for foreign policy aims.
The recent arrest of another former army major with alleged links to the suspect in New York's Times Square bomb plot rekindled these concerns. The man has since been released, but the army says he was dismissed from the force because of his links with banned Islamist extremist organizations.
Speaking to The Associated Press in his first media interview, Haq seemed to embody the contradictions of this shadowy struggle. He said he sees nothing wrong with "jihad against infidels" but strongly denies being linked to terrorism. In 2007, he was detained for five months by the country's main spy agency, Inter Services Intelligence, but says he was "treated like a VIP" and never charged.
The most recent allegations against him appear in a report by investigators of last year's ambush of the Sri Lankan cricket team in the eastern city of Lahore. The document, obtained by The Associated Press, claims Haq gave logistical support to unspecified Taliban and other fighters. It says cell phones used by the attackers were traced to locations close to a large garment factory owned by Haq and his brother.
Senior Lahore police investigator Zulfikar Hameed said the force reported its suspicions to the ISI, which told him the major was not involved. Therefore Haq was no longer wanted by the police in connection with the attack, he said, though other high-ranking officers, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they still harbored suspicions about him.
Otherwise calm and soft-spoken, Haq grew angry as he sat in his upscale Lahore home reading the report into the cricket team attack.
"The police are doing this just to say they have completed the case, to get promotions," he said. "This is absolutely wrong."
Haq served in the army when it and the ISI created and fostered fighters in the U.S.-backed war against the Soviet occupation of neighboring Afghanistan.
After the Soviets were driven out, the ISI trained thousands of young Pakistanis to wage guerrilla war on Indian interests in the disputed region of Kashmir.
Following the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks, the government of President Pervez Musharraf outlawed the most notorious groups, and was believed to have purged several hundred ISI staff for being too close to the extremists.
But the crackdown was patchily enforced, and many of the militants behind the suicide attacks now rocking Pakistan are linked to the outfits created by the ISI. One such group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, is accused of masterminding the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
Haq says he served with a Pakistani army unit close to the Afghan border during the Soviet jihad, supporting fighters there. He left the army in 1990 and says he began working for the ISI to train fighters for Kashmir.
In 2007 he showed up on the police radar, when a police investigation report identified him as a member of the "Mufti Sagheer" militant network which it said transported bomb-making equipment to Lahore.
Haq said several of the group's members trained under him in Pakistan's sector of Kashmir, but he insisted they had done no wrong.
"These men are behind bars just because they have beards and believe in jihad against infidels," he said.
The police report calls Haq "sympathetic to the core of his heart to the jihadi groups in Afghanistan and Kashmir. He supports jihadi organizations financially."
On Nov. 1, 2007, came the suicide bombing of a Pakistan air force bus in the eastern city of Sargodha. Haq was arrested and intelligence officials said he was suspected of being one of the masterminds behind of the attack. They said he had traveled to Afghanistan and met Sirajuddin Haqqani and his father, Jalaluddin Haqqani, Taliban leaders blamed by the U.S. for much of the violence against Western troops in Afghanistan.
Haq says he was cleared of involvement in the bus attack and "treated like a VIP" during his detention.
Now in his 60s, he says he lives a quiet life devoted to Tableeghi Jemaat, a conservative Islamic missionary group with members worldwide and global headquarters on the outskirts of Lahore.
Members of the group have been linked to terrorism before. Authorities say the militants who raided two Lahore mosques of a minority Muslim sect 10 days ago, in which 90 people died, had stayed at the Tableeghi center in the days before the attack.
Haq praised jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir, but generally avoided answering questions about the legitimacy of attacking Pakistani security forces. Both he and his brother, who sat in on the interview, aired conspiracy theories alleging U.S., Indian or Jewish involvement in 9/11 and in the wave of bombings in Pakistan. Haq refused to be photographed, citing religious reasons.
Three senior police officers in Lahore said they retained suspicions of Haq, but made no specific allegations. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of talking about senior ISI or army staff.
One officer said ISI papers rank Haq as "white," meaning a militant or his handler who is or has served the agency's interests. "Gray" means someone under watch, and "black" is a militant, supporter or a handler gone rogue.
"The army and ISI people don't let others interrogate them," said Pervaiz Rathore, the outgoing police chief of Lahore. "The army is stronger than any other establishment in the country."
The intelligence agencies' power and alleged links to militants were highlighted in a U.N. commission's report into the murder of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. It said almost all independent analysts it spoke to alleged that Pakistani security officers retain links to militant groups they once supported.
But the loyalties may be weakening, One ex-ISI member-turned-militant sympathizer, Khalid Khwaja, was killed in early May. Suspicion has fallen on a militant faction that has no loyalty to the older generation
 

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Don't blame the army for all Pakistan's problems. Just most of them
Jun 17th 2010


THREE score years and a bit after its founding, Pakistan—which means land of the pure—still struggles to look like a nation. Economically backward, politically stunted and terrorised by religious extremists, it would be enough to make anyone nervous, even if it did not have nuclear weapons. For these shortcomings, most of the blame should be laid at the door of the army, which claims, more than any other institution, to embody nationhood. Grossly unfair? If the army stood before one of its own tribunals, the charge sheet would surely run as follows:

One, a taste for military adventurism on its "eastern front" against giant India, which has undermined security, not enhanced it. No adventure was more disastrous than the one in 1971, which hastened the loss of East Pakistan, present-day Bangladesh. More recently, in 1999, General Pervez Musharraf, then army chief, sent troops into Indian-controlled Kashmir without deigning to inform the prime minister, Nawaz Sharif. Mr Musharraf thus forced a confrontation between two nuclear states. It was an international public-relations debacle for Pakistan. Today the army remains wedded to the "India threat". India, meanwhile, for all its gross abuses in Kashmir, is more concerned about economic development than invading Pakistan.

Two, endangering the state's existence by making common cause with jihadism. This policy started with General Zia ul-Haq's "Islamisation" policies in the late 1970s. After the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, Pakistan (along with the CIA) financed the Afghan mujahideen opposition. The policy turned into support for the Taliban when the movement swept into power in the mid-1990s. Taliban support continues today, even though Pakistan is America's supposed ally in Afghanistan's anti-Taliban counterinsurgency. A new report by the London School of Economics claims that not only does Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency finance the Afghan Taliban, but the ISI is even represented on the Taliban's leadership council. The claims have been loudly rejected, but in private Pakistani military men admit that corners of the army do indeed help the Taliban.

For years both Islamist and liberal generals have also backed jihadists fighting for a Muslim Kashmir. Though vastly outnumbered, the militants have managed to tie down a dozen Indian army divisions. Mr Musharraf and an aide once joked about having such jihadists by their tooti—ie, literally, "taps", by which he meant their private parts.

Yet ex-mujahideen and their affiliates—known loosely as the Pakistani Taliban—have turned on their hosts. The armed forces have struck against them near the border with Afghanistan. Other militant groups which the army thought it "owned" have either joined the Pakistani Taliban or, like them, have turned against their former protectors. The army itself, even the ISI, has been a target of attacks. While officers draw increasingly nice distinctions between different jihadists, the militant groups are bleeding into one another. Now attacks are spreading into tolerant, prosperous Punjab, far from the troubled marches. No doubt now about who holds whom by the tooti.

Three, the armed forces have undermined democratic institutions. Since 1947, the longest period of civilian rule the army has tolerated is just six years. And when Mr Musharraf instigated a coup after being sacked by Mr Sharif after the Kashmir debacle, there followed more than eight disastrous years of military rule, heavily backed, as with previous such rules, by the Americans. Like General Zia before him, Mr Musharraf often found Islamist political parties more congenial than secular ones.

Admittedly, Pakistan's governing institutions were weak from the outset, but the army's meddling has made them even weaker. Under Mr Musharraf it has left the civil service and judiciary corrupt and demoralised. (A tenth of civil-service appointments must still go to officers.) The armed forces have a $20 billion business empire and are probably the country's biggest land developer, as officers' loyalty is bought with grants of land.

The leaders of the main parties are mainly to blame for their corrupt, feudal styles and for not practising the democracy they espouse even in their own parties. Yet the army also shares some of the blame for political backwardness. It has permitted only a handful of elections. Democracy might have been much more mature by now had elections been allowed to run their course.

The costs go beyond any democratic deficit. Pakistan's economic and social development have also been stunted, as the army has sucked up resources and thwarted growth. In economic terms, educated Pakistanis think their country should be a Turkey or a Malaysia by now. Instead, it lies below Yemen in the UNDP's ranking of human-development indicators, at 151st in the world. School enrolment ranks below Sudan. The government spends twice as much on the armed forces as on education.


Dogs with the keys to their kennel

Some say Pakistan has turned a corner. The army went back to barracks in 2008, pushed partly by the return and assassination of the populist leader, Benazir Bhutto. This year political parties reached consensus on constitutional changes that shift power towards parliament and away from the president, currently Asif Zardari, Miss Bhutto's widower and heir to her political dynasty.

Optimists say this sets Pakistan on a path to more effective and accountable government. Perhaps. But the pessimist in Banyan counters that the army retains its huge say on national security. What's more, civilian politics remains frequently corrupt, and personality trumps policy. What looks like a system of checks and balances today could look like gridlock tomorrow. The sort of combination, in other words, that tempts the army to poke its head out of the barracks again.
 

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Tariq Ali is speaking about his play, The Leopard and the Fox commissioned initially by the BBC. The play dealt with the relationship between Pakistan's former dictator, General Zia-ul-Haq, and former Prime Minister (and Benazir's father) Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In the play, Tariq wrote about the direct US involvement in ZAB's execution who had earlier been warned by Henry Kissinger that he will be made an example of unless he ceased his provocations of the US. Zia was seen by Bhutto as a meek and obsequious figure, and hence the latter promoted him over many others to become the chief-of-staff. In the end, Bhutto, who despite his failures remained an immensely popular figure, was hanged by Zia. The courageous Leopard (Bhutto) was outsmarted by the wily Fox (Zia). Benazir essentially inherited the father's legacy.

BBC, back then, got cold feet at the mention of US complicity, and asked Tariq to drop any mention of it. Tariq refused, and hence the play was scrapped. Channel 4 showed interest, but they did not have the resources. This year, the book was finally republished in India.


Tariq mentions at 2:53 about black september 1970 when Brigadier Zia-ul-haq went on rampage killings of Palestinians.
 
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