The Case For The ARS

Should India have a automatic nuclear control weapons systems.


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Ya'll Nibbiars To ensure its functionality the system should designed as fully automatic, and with the ability to decide on the adequate retaliatory strike on its own with no or minimal human involvement in the event of an all-out attack. This system should also served as a buffer against hasty decisions based on unverified information by the country's leadership. Upon receiving warnings about a nuclear attack, the leader could activate the system, and then wait for further developments, assured by the fact that even the destruction of all key personnel with the authority to command the response to the attack could still not prevent a retaliatory strike. Thus, this eliminates the possibility of a false-alarm-triggered retaliation.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars The Automatic Retaliatory System's should be a An example of fail-deadly and mutual assured destruction deterrence, it can automatically trigger the launch of the Indian ballistic missiles by sending a pre-entered highest-authority to command posts and individual silos if a nuclear strike is detected by seismic, light, radioactivity, and pressure sensors even with the commanding elements fully destroyed. By most accounts, it should be normally switched off and is supposed to be activated during times of crisis; however, it should be to remain fully functional and able to serve its purpose whenever it may be needed.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars This system should be able to track the presence and intensity of communications on military frequencies, and receive telemetric signals from the command posts, measure the level of radiation on the surface and determine intense radiation sources in the vicinity which, combined with the detection of short-term seismic disturbance, signifies a multiple-warhead nuclear strike, and the system may possibly even be able to track people still alive in command posts. The correlation system, after analyzing these factors, may take the final step on launching the missiles. Upon receiving information about a missile launch, the supreme commander sets the system active, which, if not detecting a signal to stop the combat algorithm, automatically launches the commanding missile.

It should be designed to lie semi-dormant until switched on by a high official in a crisis. Then it would begin monitoring a network of seismic, radiation, and air pressure sensors for signs of nuclear explosions. Before launching any retaliatory strike, the system had to check off four if/then propositions: If it was turned on, then it would try to determine that a nuclear weapon had hit Soviet soil. If it seemed that one had, the system would check to see if any communication links to the war room of the Highest Command remained. If they did, and if some amount of time—likely ranging from 15 minutes to an hour—passed without further indications of attack, the machine would assume officials were still living who could order the counterattack and shut down. But if the line to the Highest Command went dead, then Perimeter would infer that apocalypse had arrived. It would immediately transfer launch authority to whoever was manning the system at that moment deep inside a protected bunker—bypassing layers and layers of normal command authority.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars To ensure its functionality the system should designed as fully automatic, and with the ability to decide on the adequate retaliatory strike on its own with no or minimal human involvement in the event of an all-out attack. This system should also served as a buffer against hasty decisions based on unverified information by the country's leadership. Upon receiving warnings about a nuclear attack, the leader could activate the system, and then wait for further developments, assured by the fact that even the destruction of all key personnel with the authority to command the response to the attack could still not prevent a retaliatory strike. Thus, this eliminates the possibility of a false-alarm-triggered retaliation.
Its a good idea to have a system where the leadership can activate a countdown. The countdown will be actively reset before it reaches ZERO by the leadership till either the final decision to launch is made or till the leadership gets decimated. If it reaches ZERO, the countdown should send the Nuclear Command Authority signal to launch a massive nuclear strike (details of the signal can be tweaked when the automatic system is switched on in times of crisis and the details should have various editable preset details for various scenarios, in order to minimize or eliminate completely the time needed to edit them during the crisis).

This Nuclear Command Authority Launch signal sent out by the automatic system should NOT automatically launch the nuclear missiles. Instead the signal should simply make it to the individual military units responsible for launching the strikes. On receiving the launch orders, these individual units should then manually and independently verify these launch orders from other parallel Countdown systems (redundancy is key) and then manually activate the systems and launch the nuke.
 

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Its a good idea to have a system where the leadership can activate a countdown. The countdown will be actively reset before it reaches ZERO by the leadership till either the final decision to launch is made or till the leadership gets decimated. If it reaches ZERO, the countdown should send the Nuclear Command Authority signal to launch a massive nuclear strike (details of the signal can be tweaked when the automatic system is switched on in times of crisis and the details should have various editable preset details for various scenarios, in order to minimize or eliminate completely the time needed to edit them during the crisis).

This Nuclear Command Authority Launch signal sent out by the automatic system should NOT automatically launch the nuclear missiles. Instead the signal should simply make it to the individual military units responsible for launching the strikes. On receiving the launch orders, these individual units should then manually and independently verify these launch orders from other parallel Countdown systems (redundancy is key) and then manually activate the systems and launch the nuke.
Ya'll Nibbiars Yeah concerned with the threats this could act as our deterrence also fear. As the enemy will be more concerned about a Retaliatory Strike's.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Both Russia and allegedly America has this ARS Systems. Don't knew about China. But Russian system is Nick named as the Deadhand and is in service since last 50 years.
 
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The Motivation's.

The purpose of the ARS system, as described in should be to maintain a second-strike capability, by ensuring that the distribution of the Highest Command would not have prevented the military from releasing its weapons.

The concern about the issue grew with the Chinese development of highly accurate Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile's (SLBM) systems. Until then, the China would have delivered most nuclear weapons by long-range bomber or ICBM. The Submarine launched JL 3, are considered too for a Counterforce or First Strike attack, an attack against an opponent's weapons. SLBMs are reserved for attacking major targets. In the first case, an opponent with effective radar and satellite surveillance could expect a 30-minute warning of an attack before the first detonation. This made an effective first strike difficult, because the opponent would have time to launch on warning to reduce the risk of their forces being destroyed on the ground. The development of highly accurate SLBMs, such as the JL 3 and, later, varients upset this balance. The JL 3 could be considered to be as accurate as any land-based ICBM. Therefore, the Chinese submarine systems could stealthily approach an enemy's coast and launch highly accurate warheads at close range, reducing the available warning to less than three minutes, making a counterforce first strike or a decapitation Strike viable.

The this took steps to ensure that nuclear retaliation, and hence Deterrence, remained possible even if its leadership were to be destroyed in a surprise attack. In contrast, the argument's that Perimeter's function was to limit acts of misjudgment by political or military leadership in the tight decision-making window between SLBM/Cruise Missile launches and impact. Here on the purpose of Perimeter being "to cool down all these hotheads and extremists. No matter what was going to happen, there still would be revenge."
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars describes today takes this defensive trend to its logical, if chilling, conclusion. The automated system in theory would allow India to respond to a any attack even if top military commanders had been killed and the capital incinerated.

The heart of the system should lie in deep underground bunkers south of India and at backup locations. In a crisis, military officials would send a coded message to the bunkers, switching on the ARS. If nearby ground-level sensors detected a nuclear attack on India, and if a break was detected in communications links with top military commanders, the system would send low-frequency signals over underground antennas to Missiles.

The system should be Semi Automatic or fully Automatic.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Both Russia and allegedly America has this ARS Systems. Don't knew about China. But Russian system is Nick named as the Deadman ins service since last 50 years.
I remember @porky_kicker once mentioning something about India's own Deadman's Hand type system in service or being developed for the Nuke submarines.

Our nuclear posture has already changed from the earlier days when we used to store warheads de-mated from the missiles. Now we have officially admitted to our nuclear submarines performing the first Indian nuclear deterrence patrol. An Automatic Retaliatory System is the logical step forward.



In continuation with my previous post, we should have various Nuclear Command Authority Bunkers (NCAB) which should each have its own individual countdown system. With a guy pressing the keys to reset the countdown of that bunker. These bunkers should be geographically dispersed. The authority to each NCAB to reset its own countdown should be given only in case when communications with the Primary NCAB in which the Prime Minister is sitting gets cut off. As long as communications are running, the Primary NCAB should be the only one with the authority to reset the countdown.
When the NCAB's system realizes that Primary NCAB communication is cut, it should automatically unlock the ability of each NCAB to individually reset its countdown. The communications between Primary NCAB and other NCABs should be via multiple redundant Optical Fiber Cables to ensure that jamming or EMP doesn't take out the communications and the only way to take them out is to do it is to physically destroy each redundant OFC.

Now the launch units should be expecting launch orders from various NCAB spread all over India even if the Primary NCAB and a few NCAB get nuked, the launch orders would still be recieved.
 

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I remember @porky_kicker once mentioning something about India's own Deadman's Hand type system in service or being developed for the Nuke submarines.

Our nuclear posture has already changed from the earlier days when we used to store warheads de-mated from the missiles. Now we have officially admitted to our nuclear submarines performing the first Indian nuclear deterrence patrol. An Automatic Retaliatory System is the logical step forward.



In continuation with my previous post, we should have various Nuclear Command Authority Bunkers (NCAB) which should each have its own individual countdown system. With a guy pressing the keys to reset the countdown of that bunker. These bunkers should be geographically dispersed. The authority to each NCAB to reset its own countdown should be given only in case when communications with the Primary NCAB in which the Prime Minister is sitting gets cut off. As long as communications are running, the Primary NCAB should be the only one with the authority to reset the countdown.
When the NCAB's system realizes that Primary NCAB communication is cut, it should automatically unlock the ability of each NCAB to individually reset its countdown. The communications between Primary NCAB and other NCABs should be via multiple redundant Optical Fiber Cables to ensure that jamming or EMP doesn't take out the communications and the only way to take them out is to do it is to physically destroy each redundant OFC.

Now the launch units should be expecting launch orders from various NCAB spread all over India even if the Primary NCAB and a few NCAB get nuked, the launch orders would still be recieved.
Ya'll Nibbiars Yeah we could also develop the Emergency Rocket Communications System.
 

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The skynet is a AI based system. Here we are talking about a Semi Automated system. Not a AI based system. Then the strikes still be manned but more faster and advance system and in the case of the Higher Command destroyed. The Retaliatory Strike capabilities. This is a must that we have nuclear missile within few minutes of strike range over India.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Yeah we could also develop the Emergency Rocket Communications System.
Never knew this existed. Its a good idea, but not enough for everything. ERCS launchers could get taken out by enemy nukes.

Ya'll Nibbiars And A Airborne Nuclear Command Patrol. We should atleast have a Command aircraft airborn during a emergency.
This is a much better option. Since NCA funding is from PMO, Defence Budget shouldn't be the issue here. We should have a fleet of Airborne Command Posts as well as Airborne Command Relays similar to American Boeing E-4 and E-6 aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-6_Mercury

Wonder if drones could do the job in conjunction with E-6 type of aircraft
 

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Never knew this existed. Its a good idea, but not enough for everything. ERCS launchers could get taken out by enemy nukes.


This is a much better option. Since NCA funding is from PMO, Defence Budget shouldn't be the issue here. We should have a fleet of Airborne Command Posts as well as Airborne Command Relays similar to American Boeing E-4 and E-6 aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-6_Mercury

Wonder if drones could do the job in conjunction with E-6 type of aircraft
Ya'll Nibbiars And also sea based the Nuclear submarines should have this feature if the link is dead be it Land or Air. Then there should be this a designated structure among the Submarines to have a command structure.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars And also sea based the Nuclear submarines should have this feature if the link is dead be it Land or Air. Then there should be this a designated structure among the Submarines to have a command structure.
How? The launch signal will be given by the Prime Minister. He could be in a bunker or flying in a Command Post Aircraft like the E-4. He can't be in a submarine.
 

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How? The launch signal will be given by the Prime Minister. He could be in a bunker or flying in a Command Post Aircraft like the E-4. He can't be in a submarine.
Ya'll Nibbiars But what after the Highest command is destroyed?. A second option in a worst case scenario.
 

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