Thailand buys S26T (Yuan-class) submarine from China | Janes

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Thailand just purchased a $390 million Chinese Type 041 Yuan-class submarine from China. Thailand plans to purchase two more Yuan-class submarines for a total fleet of three.
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Thailand orders S26T submarine from China | Janes

"The Thai government said the contract is worth THB13.5 billion (USD390 million) and calls for the delivery of the S26T - a modified version of the Yuan-class (Type 041) platform - in 2023. The RTN plans to order two additional S26Ts in the next few years, with the value of the whole programme reaching THB36 billion."


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Steel plate cutting ceremony at Wuchang Shipbuilding Heavy Industry Group Co Ltd for the Thai Navy's Type S26T SSK class to be built in China based on the Chinese Navy's Yuan class Type 039B.





The Thai NAvy is represented by Admiral Neurisse who is on the left

 

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It's in Wuhan, the Wuchang Shipyard, my city!
 

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In a hypothetical conflict between India and China in the waters off south east Asia, will Thailand be on India's side, or neutral. Thailand has been a fairly strong ally of the US for decades, is it now shifting toward China. It's hard to visualise a conflict between India and Thailand, it would depend on the degree of influence China has on politics and the military. At the cultural and spiritual level at least, Thailand has some affinity for India. JMTC.
 

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In a hypothetical conflict between India and China in the waters off south east Asia, will Thailand be on India's side, or neutral. Thailand has been a fairly strong ally of the US for decades, is it now shifting toward China. It's hard to visualise a conflict between India and Thailand, it would depend on the degree of influence China has on politics and the military. At the cultural and spiritual level at least, Thailand has some affinity for India. JMTC.
Will India rush to Thailand's rescue sir if she was attacked by China? We should pare our expectations accordingly. My do rupya!
 

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In a hypothetical conflict between India and China in the waters off south east Asia, will Thailand be on India's side, or neutral.
Is there any military treaty between Thailand and India to promise that?
If not, then just look at how many Chinese military equipment were purchased by Thailand, you will know your answer.
 

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Wacky stuff. Germany is blocking the sale of the engine for the Thai submarine the Chinese are building. :crazy: Thais are not enemies nor a threat. Chinese are largest trading partners of many. German politicians probably eager to play with people's minds and business. Maybe China will ban the sale of German cars, in return.


Part of the article on Diplomat:

Thailand’s procurement of a submarine from China could be canceled after a German company said it was unable to supply the needed propulsion system, the country’s Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said earlier this week.

In 2017, Thailand agreed to the purchase of the S26T submarine for 13.5 billion baht ($402.9 million), with payments to be made in installments over a seven-year period, with delivery expected next year.

But that deadline is unlikely to be met following the recent news that Germany’s Motor and Turbine Union company has refused to supply cutting-edge MTU396 diesel engines to the Chinese firm building the S26T Yuan-class submarine for the Royal Thai Navy (RTN). The German company is reportedly barred from making the sale due to a European Union government embargo on the sale of military items to China, imposed in the aftermath of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacres.

“What do we do with a submarine with no engines? Why should we purchase it?” Prayut told reporters on Monday, according to the Bangkok Post. “If the agreement can’t be fulfilled, we have to figure out what to do. Isn’t that how we solve a problem?”

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According to Thai PBS World, the two governments will hold talks later this month in a bid to settle the submarine engine issue, with Adm. Somprasong Nilsamai, the chief of the RTN, insisting that China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) has to comply with the contract, which specifically makes mention of the German propulsion system.

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CSOC has offered the RTN two alternatives: to use Chinese-made engines that it deems equivalent to the German ones, or to transfer two of China’s decommissioned submarines to Thailand. Thailand has refused both offers.

When asked if the Thai government has the ability to terminate the contract, Prayut said the matter will be considered by authorities concerned. But he insisted that any cancellation would not affect relations between Bangkok and Beijing, which have warmed since Prayut’s seizure of power in a coup in 2014. ......

 

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Wacky stuff. Germany is blocking the sale of the engine for the Thai submarine the Chinese are building. :crazy: Thais are not enemies nor a threat. Chinese are largest trading partners of many. German politicians probably eager to play with people's minds and business. Maybe China will ban the sale of German cars, in return.


Part of the article on Diplomat:

Thailand’s procurement of a submarine from China could be canceled after a German company said it was unable to supply the needed propulsion system, the country’s Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said earlier this week.

In 2017, Thailand agreed to the purchase of the S26T submarine for 13.5 billion baht ($402.9 million), with payments to be made in installments over a seven-year period, with delivery expected next year.

But that deadline is unlikely to be met following the recent news that Germany’s Motor and Turbine Union company has refused to supply cutting-edge MTU396 diesel engines to the Chinese firm building the S26T Yuan-class submarine for the Royal Thai Navy (RTN). The German company is reportedly barred from making the sale due to a European Union government embargo on the sale of military items to China, imposed in the aftermath of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacres.

“What do we do with a submarine with no engines? Why should we purchase it?” Prayut told reporters on Monday, according to the Bangkok Post. “If the agreement can’t be fulfilled, we have to figure out what to do. Isn’t that how we solve a problem?”

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According to Thai PBS World, the two governments will hold talks later this month in a bid to settle the submarine engine issue, with Adm. Somprasong Nilsamai, the chief of the RTN, insisting that China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) has to comply with the contract, which specifically makes mention of the German propulsion system.

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CSOC has offered the RTN two alternatives: to use Chinese-made engines that it deems equivalent to the German ones, or to transfer two of China’s decommissioned submarines to Thailand. Thailand has refused both offers.

When asked if the Thai government has the ability to terminate the contract, Prayut said the matter will be considered by authorities concerned. But he insisted that any cancellation would not affect relations between Bangkok and Beijing, which have warmed since Prayut’s seizure of power in a coup in 2014. ......

Naah in this case the germans have them by the balls .. they are very good at anything diesel. Its the chinese high end cars and trucks that will not sell if germany furthers screws around on the civilian side.
 

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I think Germany would press its advantage in the civilian side as a warning shot across the bow to China not to get too close to Russia. It is not a smart move to do that. China will get even. Do not underestimate China's ability to play the long game.
 

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I think Germany would press its advantage in the civilian side as a warning shot across the bow to China not to get too close to Russia. It is not a smart move to do that. China will get even. Do not underestimate China's ability to play the long game.
Warning shot is already this military ban . Im talking about if china starts its boycott shite for german cars . Chinese themselves hate local company chinese cars that are basically kit bash copies of foreign companies with foreign engines. The good chinese cars are a small percent.
 

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Stalled Chinese submarine shines light on Rolls Royce firm supplying engines to China’s military

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Rolls Royce owned firm has supplied hundreds of engines to the Chinese navy between 1993 and 2020


So MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH, a German company that is owned by Rolls Royce Holdings, a UK firm, has been significant in powering the Chinese navy.

Wonder if that UK Royal Navy task force that went to the SCS felt threatened by PLAN ships that can move thanks to the UK?

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Rolls Royce owned firm has supplied hundreds of engines to the Chinese navy between 1993 and 2020
So since the UK and Germany were helping the Chinese build a huge navy, who were they building that navy to fight?
 

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