Terrorists Attack Baramulla RR Post 02/10/2016

[Imaxxx]

We should make Kashmir Valley a tourist hot spot for Russian and Israeli tourists. Jews in the Valley would be Hilarious..

At the peak of militancy on Kashmir in the early 90s when we hadn't got our act together, some Israelis "tourists" visiting Kashmir were kidnapped but they escaped by killing their captors. Were rumored to be Mossad. Will google later.

 

[pmaitra]

At the peak of militancy on Kashmir in the early 90s when we hadn't got our act together, some Israelis "tourists" visiting Kashmir were kidnapped but they escaped by killing their captors. Were rumored to be Mossad. Will google later.

The talk of them being Mossad are rumours.

The fact of the matter is Israel has conscription, and most civilians are trained soldiers. So, they managed to overpower their captors. Same thing happened when a Russian Ilyushin-76 cargo plane managed to escape out of Taliban controlled Kandahar. The crew overpowered their captors and escaped.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

It should be crystal to our security forces that these attacks will continue with the encouragement by their Chinese terrorists regime. It is time to occupy POK where ever possible and stay put there until and unless PA agrees to eliminate these idiots . We should deploy UAV with night vision equipment and equip our soldiers with the same. Any one caught breaching the internal security information should be given death penalty.

We should also revisit our operational plans inside their troubled waters and deliver the same or more deadly blow to their army units and posts in the region. GOI should increase the diplomatic pressure on the international stage. It is time to revisit the MFN trade status and stop all the cultural exchanges.

 

[asingh10]

Same old rhetoric coming from western countries about how India-Pak should sit on a table, discuss etc.

 

[roma]

If the situation escalates, IMHO, IA should consider occupying more territory on the PoK side so that India has the geographical advantage in those sectors where it currently is at a disadvantage. The IA spokesperson said that there shall be no more action, so I assume the experienced people in the military circles know better. I hope the Navy is prepared to blockade Karachi, and the Air Force is also prepared for eventualities.

I said it many times before and quoted it as my consistent policy

that if we truly claim all of kashmir as ours, including GBatistan then any time we took territory , why did we give it back ?

and the same holds true even now
it's the oly language they will take seriously , because if we take and then return to them , they will contiue with the cat and mouse terrorist games they have been continuing to play

i cant agree with your other measure of blockading their port(s) as i think that would be far too provocative

But it think the situation is extremely serious as it stands

i think we are close to a war of some kind

may not be a huge one , maybe another kargil-type skirmish

praying for peace but i dont think the packlanders want peace , seems to me they are provoking india towards a war , even a limited one

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It should be crystal to our security forces that these attacks will continue with the encouragement by their Chinese terrorists regime. It is time to occupy POK ....... ( partial quote ) . GOI should increase the diplomatic pressure on the international stage. It is time to revisit the MFN trade status and stop all the cultural exchanges.

partial quote of selected parts
i too see this continuing either as a deliberate gov policy or it has gotten out of hand and they cant control their snakes any more

either way india is net only justified to act but rather compelled to do so

anything short of taking the territories piecemeal fashion will be seen as a lack of ..........

 

[tarunraju]

Flights To Europe, Middle-East Delayed As Pak Places Curbs On Airspace
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/flig...-on-airspace-1469247?pfrom=home-lateststories

This is applicable to all countries' airlines, not just ours. But it will only affect flights getting in and out of DEL. Very clever. Flights from the west begin their descent into DEL somewhere before Lahore. These planes come in over Pakistan/NWFP at high altitudes (38,000-41,000 ft) for safety reasons, and begin their DEL descent near the Indian border. Planes going from Europe to South East Asia, with no business in DEL, can maintain their altitude. Now DEL-bound planes have to corkscrew over Haryana before landing in DEL. So pakis want only Delhi bound flights to suffer, affecting India only.

India can defeat this move by issuing a NOTAM of its own, by instructing ALL airlines to maintain a MAXIMUM alt of 34,000 ft when entering Indian airspace from J&K, Punjab, and Rajasthan. This will turn up the pressure on Pakistan, because every aircraft flying over that corridor has to descend to the altitude Delhi-bound ones do. It will become Lahore ATC's headache to marshal 100s of foreign aircraft each day with no business in Lahore to maintain a thin window between 33,000-34,000 feet.

 

[mayfair]

What's the latest on the attacks? Suddenly this place has gone very quiet on this.

 

[Bahamut]

I think we should withdraw from the Indus Water Treaty now and no trade or aid to Pakistan.
RIP to our brave solider.

 

[mayfair]

GAURAV C SAWANT ‏@gauravcsawant
2 terrorists killed. 1-2 more contained in one location. No firing at this time. Int alert of 4 more rats waiting to strike. Neutralise asap

 

[pmaitra]

I said it many times before and quoted it as my consistent policy

that if we truly claim all of kashmir as ours, including GBatistan then any time we took territory , why did we give it back ?

and the same holds true even now
it's the oly language they will take seriously , because if we take and then return to them , they will contiue with the cat and mouse terrorist games they have been continuing to play

i cant agree with your other measure of blockading their port(s) as i think that would be far too provocative

But it think the situation is extremely serious as it stands

i think we are close to a war of some kind

may not be a huge one , maybe another kargil-type skirmish

praying for peace but i dont think the packlanders want peace , seems to me they are provoking india towards a war , even a limited one

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partial quote of selected parts
i too see this continuing either as a deliberate gov policy or it has gotten out of hand and they cant control their snakes any more

either way india is net only justified to act but rather compelled to do so

anything short of taking the territories piecemeal fashion will be seen as a lack of ..........

We did not always give territory back. During 1971-72 conflict, India gained some territory which India never gave back, but then, that territory was from GB.

I agree though, the ultimate aim should be recovery of all of PoK and GB. The time has to be right. Right at this moment, I think wholesale war is not in the best interest of India. India has much more to lose than Pakistan, even if it does not go nuclear.

As I and others have said before, we should try to put other types of pressure on Pakistan, including withdrawal from the Indus Water Treaty.

 

[roma]

I think we should withdraw from the Indus Water Treaty now and no trade or aid to Pakistan.
RIP to our brave solider.

does the wherewithal ( acumen to assess the pros and cons , system, efficiency, timeliness, sense of urgency )
for doing that exit ?

china otoh , doesn't give warnings , they just DID it !
( ref Dam on Brahmaputra tributary )

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[mayfair]

As I and others have said before, we should try to put other types of pressure on Pakistan, including withdrawal from the Indus Water Treaty.

That's already happening, slowly and steadily GoI is turning the screws or boiling the frog in the water if you will.

IWT, MFN Baki artists in India, Baloch independence, Diplomatic offensive overseas and in SAARC. GoI is assaulting Baki virtue across a broad spectrum- but these things will take time.

Militarily, we are more offensive, but we are still in the process of enhancing our military capabilities. It's a travesty that while Bakis were gifted a large number of offensive and defensive weapon systems post 9/11- combat jets, marine surveillance, a variety of air-fired missiles, artillery (M109) and helicopter gunships, India FAILED to induct meaningful weapon systems during the past decade.

Oh sure we had P8Is, C-17s and C130Js, along with broken promises of offsets, and they fulfill our needs BUT these largely for transport and patrolling. We failed to add new artillery systems, combat jets and gunships. We have hastened the process NOW but it will take time before these systems are inducted. Parrikar has spent two years removing the mess left behind in MoD, our bureaucracy is nothing but obstinate and MoD even more so.

As a result Bakis are more emboldened to step up their Bakiness on the LoC and within India.

Bakis too realise that there is short window before Indian forces will be armed with even deadlier options and thus we see a spurt in piglet attacks across the border. Do not think that winter will cut off these attacks. They'll try and use International border in Punjab and Jammu for infiltration and may even use specialised units to traverse mountain passes in snow. Of course this means burning the jihadi candle at both ends, but now that Bakis know that pre-emptive strikes are no longer a taboo with GoI, it's a case of use the assets or lose them. The Piglets too will prefer to die attacking than their heads lopped off in sleep.

Expect these attacks to intensify and our response too.

 

[pmaitra]

@mayfair,

Pakistan is gifted with its geographical position. It offers the US access to Afghanistan (and a counterweight to the USSR), and it also allows PRC, by virtue of its control of PoK and GB, access to the Arabian Sea.

I don't think India's MoD is any worse than Pakistan's MoD. It just happens that Pakistan has made statecraft an instrument of tradecraft, and vice-versa. The Pakistani establishment is able to extract all it can in military terms both from the US and PRC, while making sure it receives all types of grants from the Saudis.

Whatever India has, at least after the collapse of the USSR, is what India has built on its own. We have reason to be proud of ourselves, and this is not a reason to be complacent.

 

[mayfair]

@pmaitra

Baki MoD for all practical purposes does not exist. They have no influence on TSP armed forces and are there just to sign the checks (probably not only that).

Our MoD on the other hand is obstinate, unmindful of armed forces need, inept, corrupt and at times severely compromised by a host of arms lobbies and interest groups. How do you explain the MoD babus suddenly deciding in the early 2000s that Mirage 2000-5 was a wholly different aircraft and thus, we could not place a follow on order and the whole process had to go via an entirely new tender- bidding and all. The French were ready to transfer the Mirange 2000-5 line to us and it would have sorely helped with our falling squadron numbers. Instead we got the farce that was MMRCA (later MRCA). MoD Babus sit on the files for ages and forces have to fight tooth and nail for procurements. Parrikar has expressed his frustration with these Babus for trying to stymie every single acquisition. One of the ways to get around their obsessive need for competitive tenders that end up going nowhere are the G-G contracts, such as Rafale.

Now we have the new defence procurement policy (DPP) that should cut the red tape a lot, but is at least 6 months from implementation. Meanwhile these babus continue to block artillery induction, induction of other weapons systems and a host of other things that are our forces desperately, all in the name of due process. Ack thhoo..

Coming back to TSP, The TSP forefathers or 3.5 completely bypass the civvies and handover the goodies directly to the Army. They do this not just because of statecraft or tradecraft, but because they project themselves as mercenaries ready to do the bidding of those who pay them the most. They are corrupt and inefficient, but they are for all purposes completely autonomous- civvies have no say. Khadims, even less so.

Plus, these forefathers see TSP as a useful tool to keep a rising India in check. Bakis know this and are emboldened. A rising India is anathema to them, a jeegta jaagta pramaan of all their failures. They'll never mend their ways.

 

[dude00720]

Shouldnt we focus on the Baramulla/Gurdaspur attack? The Babus should be a separate thread. Dont you think?

 

[dude00720]

@mayfair,

Pakistan is gifted with its geographical position. It offers the US access to Afghanistan (and a counterweight to the USSR), and it also allows PRC, by virtue of its control of PoK and GB, access to the Arabian Sea.

I don't think India's MoD is any worse than Pakistan's MoD. It just happens that Pakistan has made statecraft an instrument of tradecraft, and vice-versa. The Pakistani establishment is able to extract all it can in military terms both from the US and PRC, while making sure it receives all types of grants from the Saudis.

Whatever India has, at least after the collapse of the USSR, is what India has built on its own. We have reason to be proud of ourselves, and this is not a reason to be complacent.

I think we should learn from them. They have leveraged their position very well. In fact, the World Response to Our Surgical strikes is such a big thing. IN 2.5 years Narendra Modi has leveraged our economic might to ensure 0 condemnation. This is the diplomatic edge we missed Under Previous regimes.

 

[sasum]

Are they LeT, JeM guys or regular Pak guerillas, considering their training, equipment & gear and combat skills ? and also their ability to break into Indian territory consistently? Can't we do the same in west Punjab through our commandos?
I am curious to know opinion of ex-servicemen who held senior ranks in IA.

 

[tarunraju]

Je baat.

Now we can trade these pigs for the captured Jawan.

Security Forces Arrest 2 Pakistan Nationals Along J&K Border

http://www.news18.com/news/india/se...kistan-nationals-along-jk-border-1297997.html

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

When you deploy army in a hostile area where the local population is sympathetic to the other side, no amount of intelligence will help. Stop Kashmir special treatment now, get the pandits and people from other parts of India to settle there. Charge the stone pelters with sedition and throw them in kaala paani so that they are never seen again.

Settling civilians could be more worrisome. Instead we should settle some mercenaries hiding under Pandit identity who could do the same kind of attack as terrorist porkis do.

 

[mayfair]

Je baat.

Now we can trade these pigs for the captured Jawan.

Security Forces Arrest 2 Pakistan Nationals Along J&K Border

http://www.news18.com/news/india/se...kistan-nationals-along-jk-border-1297997.html

You think Bakis care for cannon fodder? They'll be happy to let these folks rot in India and further the narrative about eevil Yeendus killing momin. The only (remote) chances of an exchange would be if we land a Bakjabi officer in our captivity- the more senior the better, but if he's related to some jarnail etc. even a JCO would do.

During Kargil these vermin came to collect only the bodies of Bakjabis..