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That's why they will never fight. They will blow hot and cold. And play chess.
That usually works for them. Specially in their neighbouring states. Except they are not dealing with a state. But a bunch of religious fanatics and mercenaries. And guess what, they don't play chess, they play khoon ki holi. The argument that most people give is that China will buy their way. No they cannot. CIA tried it and so have others. The moment you fund them, they will grow their resources and soon, they will overrun you. Most of the resources are located far south, away from Chinese border. You cannot think of occupying them without boots on the ground. And thats where the fun begins for taliban
 

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a defensive war will work in their favor and motivating the terrorists to infiltrate a security state which is getting better and better at monitoring and enforcing their will not be easy.
Attrition war (skirmishes) like 2019 are the only thing they can afford and are good for them as it helps to fool local audiences.

A proper war will be short lived like 1971 given limited resources of Pakistan. Their navy already doesn't stand a chance and it will take 4 days to 1 week for India to hunt down PAF and capture Pakistani aerospace rendering Pakistani army useless. And what if I account that they don't even have sufficient armament and fuel for fighting beyond few days?
There is a reason that they avoided war in 2019 even though India was openly challenging them like a warmongerer without any care about "image". They rather were writing letters to "world powers" (P5 countries) to "play their role" (bachao).
 

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That's why I said national conservatism.
It's just all about national identity and national pride and seeks the way to boost them.
Simply by defining a glorious national history of its nation over others and doing things to strengthen the nationstate (state sponsored capitalism and socialism).
Since communism regards countries as artificial tribes, they both are simply at war.
Good informative post ! Also do you believe that 'conservatism' could have existed if there were no 'liberalism' or vice versa?Before liberalism, all was shades of conservatism, which probably had plenty of internal texture and variation. After the French Revolution, conservatives were those who arose to preserve the best of what had come before.

Dont you think Nationalism , Aristocracy , Capitalism could also be the pillar of any sensible conservatism ?

I believe the actual rot arises when every boundary carefully assembled by years of empirical experience is erased just for the sake of breaking traditions.
 

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Attrition war (skirmishes) like 2019 are the only thing they can afford and are good for them as it helps to fool local audiences.

A proper war will be short lived like 1971 given limited resources of Pakistan. Their navy already doesn't stand a chance and it will take 4 days to 1 week for India to hunt down PAF and capture Pakistani aerospace rendering Pakistani army useless. And what if I account that they don't even have sufficient armament and fuel for fighting beyond few days?
There is a reason that they avoided war in 2019 even though India was openly challenging them like a warmongerer without any care about "image". They rather were writing letters to "world powers" (P5 countries) to "play their role" (bachao).
We stress on Pakistan a lot.
They are beggars and they must be treated like that.
Pakis are like North Korea who just want attention
We must focus on US, Russia, china and eu in order to do something better in future
 
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Also do you believe that 'conservatism' could have existed if there were no 'liberalism' or vice versa?Before liberalism, all was shades of conservatism, which probably had plenty of internal texture and variation. After the French Revolution, conservatives were those who arose to preserve the best of what had come before.
It depends upon type of conservatism. Social conservatism is about traditions and are beared mostly by our grandpa's generation in India (beared by current generation in Islamic stated).

It sometimes halts the social progress but sometime ends up preventing the rot of the society. It depends upon intensity. A very intense form say opposes love marriages, a to a less degree, opposes LGBT relations and a least intense version will just ask youths to work to earn money than wasting life in alcohol and sex.
Obviously, last one is a sensible "liberalism" labeled as "conservatism" by unruly savages who equate being useles with being progressive.

National conservatism is about pure national identity and espouses strong sense of nationalism. Like CCP, BJP, Nazi Party, Ba'ath parties and Bolivarian parties. Since America doesn't have that sort of national identity, it's nationalists are just Christian social conservatives and not nationalist conservatives.
Dont you think Nationalism , Aristocracy , Capitalism could also be the pillar of any sensible conservatism ?
Depends. If conservatism is Islamic, nationalism will take a backseat, aristocracy will be supported over democracy but capitalism may or may not be there.
In Christians meanwhile nationalism will hold a strong sense since they believe that countries were built by God.
In centrist cultures of east Asia and India, conservatism itself will be a result of nationalism and not vice versa. Democracy, dictatorship, capitalism and socialism; everything will be justified for the of sake of national pride and nationalism.
I believe the actual rot arises when every boundary carefully assembled by years of empirical experience is erased just for the sake of breaking traditions.
That's why wokeism has become a pain in @$$ of everyone. They want change for the sake of change than any purposeful reforms and do everything like internationalism and revolution for the sake of looking cool (and are exploited by their corrupted politicians, like INC in India or Democrats in US).

The real "liberals" have been clubbed with conservatives and "centre-right wingers" long ago and the left community is strictly composed by idiots with frustrated minds. Quite soon, little left sensible people among them too will be labeled as Nazis and thrown out.
 

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Things aren't that simple. Most of times while there were chaos or terror attacks in India, Pakistan was in a relatively stronger economic and diplomatic position than today to do that. Everytime they go into deep chaos, terror attacks stop in India.

It is true that an Iraq and Syria style situation in Pak will hurt India. But, it doesn't imply that Pak having a booming economy like Bangladesh will bear any fruits. Pakistan is a fundamentalist state created on lines of communalism and it is fundamentalist.

It's existence means conflict.
I don’t disagree with you at all. I’m as brutal a realist as you will see around here. I don’t much care for Pakistan or its nutters, my interest is India. That interest will be best served when the Pakistan state and it’s jihadis are in a fight, preferably to the finish. A state win is the desired outcome over the long term. That is all.
 

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I don’t disagree with you at all. I’m as brutal a realist as you will see around here. I don’t much care for Pakistan or its nutters, my interest is India. That interest will be best served when the Pakistan state and it’s jihadis are in a fight, preferably to the finish. A state win is the desired outcome over the long term. That is all.
If state loose Pakistan ll nt remain in same shape . Army and its propaganda, attrocities keeps the nation floating . Moulvies ll sink it .. Islam may works only where there is one ethinic identity . For that too i cnt think of a real life example .

if pak disintegrates it suits our goal much better . I am skeptic any long term peace can be achieved as long as pakistan is there ..
 
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