TEDBF or ORCA Updates

[Vamsi]

I love tedbf even more than I love MWF because it's then true evolution of lca program . It's the culmination of all that hardwork done for all these years. And it's and absolutely beauty and absolute beast .

I know it's weird....But I love this goddam plane, more than my crush.

Now please don't call me a Planophile. May be I am.

 

[THESIS THORON]

I know it's weird....But I love this goddam plane, more than my crush.

Now please don't call me a Planophile. May be I am.

that exhaust might be just too big for your ding-dong

 

[Vamsi]

No offence here. But i don't think so that TEDBF will be as good looking or better than Rafale.

I myself personally like the Look of the Rafale more than the TEDBF.

Yes of course the TEDBF design is quite beautiful and awesome looking, no denying that but for me though visually Rafale looks better.
(Please note-This is my personal View and Perspective)
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Yes it may be looking Ambitious but let's see. I guess it's true afterall that TEDBF is coming and making its first flight by 2026. Let's See if it happens. Hopefully there won't be any delays.

I don't think there won't be any delays. This aircraft is more aerodynamic than anyother plane that I have seen. This shows that our scientists had learned so much with Tejas & N-LCA programmes. The Radar, Avionics, EW suite, Weapons, DAS, cockpit ,engines& many other LRUs will be common with Tejas-Mk2 & AMCA. So, there won't be major delays unless there are delays in funding.

For me Tejas-Mk2,TEDBF & AMCA are the only reasons to vote Mudi baba again & again.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

I think 1 of these 2 designs should be finalized for TEDBF/ORCA/Tejas-MK2 rather than inflated LCA based design. If common airframe is used for Navy & Air Force then it will save cost like in case of F-18, Rafale, etc. The new jet can simply be called Tejas MK2-A & MK2-N (AF & Naval) or Tejas-2 & Naval Tejas-2.

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There is 1 more option of Naval AMCA perhaps which can be explored which would be best. Navy also should have a stealth jet, like F-35 variants.

It will definitely be the second design as the one based on LCA MK2 was found unsuitable for carrier use due to problems of visibility due to the nose design. Changes were found to be unfeasible. It was properly explained by a retired naval aviator by the name of Vstoljockey on the Strategic Front forum, but unfortunately I cannot link the posts as DFI has blocked links from that forum.
Hence the TEDBF design was chosen of either a conventional delta canard design or trapezoidal wing design.

 

[Super Flanker]

I don't think there won't be any delays. This aircraft is more aerodynamic than anyother plane that I have seen. This shows that our scientists had learned so much with Tejas & N-LCA programmes. The Radar, Avionics, EW suite, Weapons, DAS, cockpit ,engines& many other LRUs will be common with Tejas-Mk2 & AMCA. So, there won't be major delays unless there are delays in funding.

There is always the possibility of Delays. Even though I too myself don't believe that there might be delays but there is always the possibility of Delays happening here.

I too have seen the recent developments in the aerospace Sector with Different projects for example like AMCA(Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft), TEDBF (Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter), Tejas mk-2, GHATAK UAV etc and yes you are right, our scientists have learnt so much and hence we are seeing the fruit of all the past Developments today.
Hopefully it continues that way Only.

For me Tejas-Mk2,TEDBF & AMCA are the only reasons to vote Mudi baba again & again.

Yes same me too! BJP is doing so much with regards to our Defence Sector which I am Damn sure that Congress would have never done in many decades even!
Hopefully next Elections is also won by BJP only.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

It will definitely be the second design as the one based on LCA MK2 was found unsuitable for carrier use due to problems of visibility due to the nose design. Changes were found to be unfeasible. It was properly explained by a retired naval aviator by the name of Vstoljockey on the Strategic Front forum, but unfortunately I cannot link the posts as DFI has blocked links from that forum.
Hence the TEDBF design was chosen of either a conventional delta canard design or trapezoidal wing design.

He’s referring to this initial carrier based variant based on LCA MK2.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

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He’s referring to this initial carrier based variant based on LCA MK2.

Reffering to the TEDBF design as we know today.

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[Aditya Ballal]

You’re too late buddy, someone else has already posted this

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

It will definitely be the second design as the one based on LCA MK2 was found unsuitable for carrier use due to problems of visibility due to the nose design. Changes were found to be unfeasible. It was properly explained by a retired naval aviator by the name of Vstoljockey on the Strategic Front forum, but unfortunately I cannot link the posts as DFI has blocked links from that forum.
Hence the TEDBF design was chosen of either a conventional delta canard design or trapezoidal wing design.

Yes, good point, downward visibility of Naval jet should be good. However if the ILS is accurate then in dense fog also a jet can land.

On a light note, the entire LCA frame shaping is obsolete, inadequate, i've no intrest in it further.

I forgot to extend my line when i said "finalized". What i meant was that 1 of those 2 CG models could be "finalized" as INITIAL start point for FURTHER development. It is not at all necessary that initial models will be final production jet. The 1st flying prototype could be identical but different from the drawing board/poster/exhibition models, and the final production jet could be identical but different from 1st flying prototype. So the adversaries & own citizens keep guessing how will the final jet look like, LOL
For example F-22 & F-35 had significant visual differences with YF-22 & X-35.

Even the Su-57 turned out identical but still different from its public speculations. Below is size compared to F-22.

Our AMCA has gone under many iterations & will probably go under more modifications.

Hence the TEDBF design may evolve into a semi stealth airframe with internal weapons bay like AMCA. Certain parts of fuselage, gear & wing with minor modifications may serve for both jets & save huge costs. So TEDBF & Naval AMCA can become same merged jet.

But if that wont/cannot be done then still TEDBF can have internal weapons bay if a single-engine jet like Sukhoi Checkmate can. Where there is a will there is a way. Here below i have taken cross-section of Checkmate & modified it simply by copy-paste to depict TEDBF's potential internal weapons bays. And it seems AMCA doesn't have side bays currently, so it can also have side bays in future prototype & production model.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Yes, good point, downward visibility of Naval jet should be good. However if the ILS is accurate then in dense fog also a jet can land.

Don’t think they’d like to rely only on ILS for carrier landings, considering damage that would likely be caused in case of a crash in case of its failure. They’d always be happy to ensure it can still be done easily by VFR.

 

[MonaLazy]

first flight by 2026 is crazy ambitious

Ambition is ADAs (& our scientists community at large) middle name. If you look at how audacious our scientists were with the tech (RSS delta wing design, quadruplex digital FBW, drive by wire for nose wheel, computer controlled flight with control laws, composite frame, glass cockpit) they picked to go into the fighter 30-40 years ago- with no base or experience designing at all. They wanted to build a GE 404 equivalent engine at GTRE which did not exist in the world back then!!

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Don’t think they’d like to rely only on ILS for carrier landings, considering damage that would likely be caused in case of a crash in case of its failure. They’d always be happy to ensure it can still be done easily by IFR.

By ILS i don't mean auto-pilot. ILS simply shows the right heading & glide slope which pilot follows irrespective of weather.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

By ILS i don't mean auto-pilot. ILS simply shows the right heading & glide slope which pilot follows irrespective of weather.

ILS is already used on INS Vikramaditya though, but in case if it’s failure, the hypothetical the pilots of the LCA MK2 based carrier aircraft may face difficulties in landing compared to pilots of other aircraft.

 

[SARTHAK]

one more thing to add ,tedbf will have half baked missiles carriage (tweet is from the guy who took interview at aero india 2021)

 

[Dessert Storm]

that exhaust might be just too big for your ding-dong

Heyyyyyy.....that exhaust is meant to blow air. @ DMAX ------- JACK OFF

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

one more thing to add ,tedbf will have half baked missiles carriage (tweet is from the guy who took interview at aero india 2021)

There are 20+ fan channels like "Alpha Defence". So it is better to quote 1st hand info from DRDO/HAL/NAL/ADA.
However, like i already showed that design can change any time, realizations can jolt humans any time, final production jet can be different from 1st prototype or just an exhibition or CAD model.
X-35 didn't have IWB but it changed in F-35.

And upcoming jets like Sukhoi Checkmate also has IWB in accordance with present era of 5th ge
n jets.

Both of them are single engined, then it makes perfect sense for Twin-Engined jet to have IWB. If F-35C can have IWB so can/must TEDBF with enough power/weight ratio due to 2 engines. This is perfect opportunity to implement IWB + the partial common airframe advantage which will pave future std. of our Naval 5th gen jets.
OTHERWISE.......WAIT FOR ANOTHER 3-4 DECADES FOR 4.5GEN TEDBF TO RETIRE, BAD HISTORY WILL REPEAT.

 

[THESIS THORON]

There are 20+ fan channels like "Alpha Defence". So it is better to quote 1st hand info from DRDO/HAL/NAL/ADA.
However, like i already showed that design can change any time, realizations can jolt humans any time, final production jet can be different from 1st prototype or just an exhibition or CAD model.
X-35 didn't have IWB but it changed in F-35.
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And upcoming jets like Sukhoi Checkmate also has IWB in accordance with present era of 5th ge
n jets.
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Both of them are single engined, then it makes perfect sense for Twin-Engined jet to have IWB. If F-35C can have IWB so can/must TEDBF with enough power/weight ratio due to 2 engines. This is perfect opportunity to implement IWB + the partial common airframe advantage which will pave future std. of our Naval 5th gen jets.
OTHERWISE.......WAIT FOR ANOTHER 3-4 DECADES FOR 4.5GEN TEDBF TO RETIRE, BAD HISTORY WILL REPEAT.

why dont amca have sideways iwb like checkmate ??

 

[Aditya Ballal]

There are 20+ fan channels like "Alpha Defence". So it is better to quote 1st hand info from DRDO/HAL/NAL/ADA.
However, like i already showed that design can change any time, realizations can jolt humans any time, final production jet can be different from 1st prototype or just an exhibition or CAD model.
X-35 didn't have IWB but it changed in F-35.
View attachment 128207
And upcoming jets like Sukhoi Checkmate also has IWB in accordance with present era of 5th ge
n jets.
View attachment 128208

Both of them are single engined, then it makes perfect sense for Twin-Engined jet to have IWB. If F-35C can have IWB so can/must TEDBF with enough power/weight ratio due to 2 engines. This is perfect opportunity to implement IWB + the partial common airframe advantage which will pave future std. of our Naval 5th gen jets.
OTHERWISE.......WAIT FOR ANOTHER 3-4 DECADES FOR 4.5GEN TEDBF TO RETIRE, BAD HISTORY WILL REPEAT.

Mate Sriram is a journalist at Delhi Defense Review, who conducted the interview of the ADA person incharge of TEDBF at Aero India 2021.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

why dont amca have sideways iwb like checkmate ??

That's exactly what i noticed & showed in my modified comparison. And this should be showed to our DoD guys & questioned.