TEDBF or ORCA Updates

[Bleh]

Dingdong with some ching-chongs regarding TEDBF's novelty.

 

[Bleh]

Chacha Vidhayak Hain Humare...

 

[Bleh]

 

[Tactical Doge]

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I'm really worried about my testosterone levels at this point

 

[flanker99]

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[Marliii]

Most naval fighter jets have a pilot and a weapon systems officer .but looks like TEDBF will only have one pilot.

 

[Shekhar Singh]

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It's definitely going to have huge amount of fuel and big AESA radar.

 

[Bleh]

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Where'd you find them? @Kuntal

It's definitely going to have huge amount of fuel and big AESA radar.

And greatest aerodynamically streamlined design I've seem... Just see how the body adheres to area-ruled shape, but also the nozzles get smoothly tapered from far away.

 

[flanker99]

Where'd you find them? @Kuntal
Nilesh rane in twitter

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Instead of a single vertical tail, how about going for a V-tail (like YF-23 style) or twin tail ( like mig 1.44 style).

Don't know its impact on aerodynamic performance, but it can improve stealth features. Probably, won't matter to navy since it's requirement is a twin engine 4.5 gen fighter, but it will improve the chances of air-force variant ORCA into getting inducted in sizeable numbers in IAF, who require 5th gen fighter after 2030.

 

[Bleh]

 

[Steven Rogers]

Instead of a single vertical tail, how about going for a V-tail (like YF-23 style) or twin tail ( like mig 1.44 style).

Don't know its impact on aerodynamic performance, but it can improve stealth features. Probably, won't matter to navy since it's requirement is a twin engine 4.5 gen fighter, but it will improve the chances of air-force variant ORCA into getting inducted in sizeable numbers in IAF, who require 5th gen fighter after 2030.

So you're this guy right...

 

[Bleh]

Instead of a single vertical tail, how about going for a V-tail (like YF-23 style) or twin tail ( like mig 1.44 style).

Don't know its impact on aerodynamic performance, but it can improve stealth features. Probably, won't matter to navy since it's requirement is a twin engine 4.5 gen fighter, but it will improve the chances of air-force variant ORCA into getting inducted in sizeable numbers in IAF, who require 5th gen fighter after 2030.

So you're this guy right...
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No chance... Vertical fins are required to counter rolling tendency at high-Alpha. This limitation/complication was noted in Yf-23, which unlike F-117 was a fighter jet. And those were airforce versions.
Would be much more problematic in Naval scenarios, almost dangerously so.

This is one of the reasons our trapezoidal winged TEDBF is likely to have two vertical fins, one for each horizontal stabiliser... unlike the tailless delta with a single one.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

No chance... Vertical fins are required to counter rolling tendency at high-Alpha. This limitation/complication was noted in Yf-23, which unlike F-117 was a fighter jet. And those were airforce versions.
Would be much more problematic in Naval scenarios, almost dangerously so.

I agree about the limitations in V-tail. But how about more conventional twin tail in canard + delta design. Like this one:

 

[Bleh]

I agree about the limitations in V-tail. But how about twin tail in canard + delta design. Like this one:

This agone the other hand, is not needed. Mig-44, J-9B, J-20 with intakes at sides would be wide enough to need this to manage their canard vortex...
We'll just be increasing drag, as well as RCS.

 

[ersakthivel]

@patriots @porky_kicker @Karthi @Kuntal
As far as area-ruling is concerned, TEDBF fuselage is superior to both MWF & AMCA!

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Area ruling is based on total volume of fighter(wing, fuselage, and combined volume at any point on fuselage length) fuselage plotted against fuselage length,

Only a detailed graph will give an accurate idea,

We cant determine which has superior area ruling , just by looking at scale models

 

[Bleh]

Area ruling is based on total volume of fighter(wing, fuselage, and combined volume at any point on fuselage length) fuselage plotted against fuselage length,

Only a detailed graph will give an accurate idea,

We cant determine which has superior area ruling , just by looking at scale models

I can look at Jf-17 & say it has shit area-ruling Yes, I may not have details or numbers but the "coke-bottle" shaping is far more evident.

Plus a slender tailend taper is always better streamlined aerodynamically. That much too we can infer based on common knowledge.

 

[ersakthivel]

WIth new advances in detecting Stealth fighters,

IAF needs to back this program,

because TEDBF has none of the stealth penalties(of carrying a large volume of internal fuel and lesser payloads and stringent parallel planform alignment requirement fr wing and tail edges)

and a cutting edge clean sheet design with best stealth features and aerodynamic plan form combines from Tejas pltaform,

It will carry larger load fr longer distance and will hv far higher loiter time than any fighter in IAF , including rafale

And it will integrate all varieties of newer weapons like CTAS warrior etc at zero exra cost,

The silence from IAF on not stating this need is "Deafening"

 

[Emperor Kalki]

Area ruling is based on total volume of fighter(wing, fuselage, and combined volume at any point on fuselage length) fuselage plotted against fuselage length,

Only a detailed graph will give an accurate idea,

We cant determine which has superior area ruling , just by looking at scale models

Not volume.
Cross-sectional area...hence the name "area rule"

 

[Kuntal]

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Well, these are all I was waiting for since I heard the word "TEDBF"
Expect a beautiful 3d model soon from my side