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Dude Flanker is our Bread and butter,there is no way in hell that it will fly just little over 100 hours per year.
Not now but early series were flying less than 200 per year due to engine and spares issue. Both now addressed.
Spares issue was such that, Russia even didn't supply tyres on schedule. Then MRF was asked to develop and they provided.
 

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Buoyed by the success of trial landings of the Tejas-N fighter on board the Navy aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has given the go ahead for the development of a twin engine made-in-India fighter jet.

NDTV has learnt that the governing body of ADA, the principal designer of the Tejas fighter, now in squadron service with the Indian Air Force, has discussed the indigenous development of the new fighter in a meeting chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by the Navy and Air Force Chiefs on 22 May. Following this meeting, the Operational Requirements (ORs) for the new fighter were issued by the Integrated Headquarters of the Ministry of Defence.

Development of the new fighter jet comes at a time when the government announced a series of structural reforms in the Defence sector under the "Atmanirbhar" or self-reliance goal which is meant to result in India dramatically cutting down on its defence imports.

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Based on the Tejas fighter, the new Navy fighter is meant to supplement MiG-29s.
The prototype of the new fighter-jet, designed to operate from the deck of India's two aircraft carriers, INS Vikramaditya and the soon to be inducted INS Vikrant, is meant to fly within six years with induction of the fighter within a decade.

The fighter, plans for which were first reported on NDTV in January, is a twin-engine evolution of Tejas-N prototype which has been indigenously developed and extensively test-flown.

The Tejas-N programme culminated with a series of "arrested landings" and take-offs from INS Vikramaditya off the Goa coast where two prototypes of the jet were able to successfully land on the carrier in January by using its arrestor hook to snare steel wires spread across the deck of the ship. This allowed the fighters to decelerate from approximately 244 kmph (the landing speed) to a standstill in approximately two seconds in a distance under 90 metres, within the length of the deck of INS Vikramaditya.

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The Aeronautical Development Agency has given the go-ahead for the development of the fighter jet.
Those involved in the design and development of the new Indian fighter, an advanced variant of the single-engine Tejas-N, say that they have benchmarked the performance characteristics of the jet to Boeing's F/A-18 E/F "Super Hornet", in service with the US Navy and the Marine Rafale, deployed on the French Navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. They say the new jet may imbibe technologies being developed for the IAF's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) but will not be a stealth fighter in the same class.

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Extensive tests on Tejas-N prototype gave designers confidence to proceed to develop larger aircraft.
At least three variations of the design of the new fighter are being studied presently and Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) tests and wind tunnel modelling will ensure the optimum shape of the fighter to match its projected operational capabilities. It's still unclear whether the new fighter will be a tail-less delta platform, similar to the IAF's LCA Tejas fighter or, for that matter, feature canards, a small forewing placed ahead of the main wing of the aircraft to aid manoeuvrability.

The new fighter, once inducted, is meant to supplement and ultimately replace the Indian Navy's fleet of MiG-29K fighters presently in service on board the INS Vikramaditya. A high-performance jet, the MiG-29K has been plagued with serviceability issues in Indian Navy service. The new indigenous fighter is designed to be more reliable. Those close to the project have told NDTV that they expect the new fighter to be able to be armed with at least six air to air missiles with an operational endurance of approximately two hours.

The project to develop a twin engine deck-based fighter (TEDBF) reflects a maturity and confidence in the development of the Tejas fighter jet upon which the new fighter will be based. On May 27, the Indian Air Force operationalised its second Tejas fighter jet squadron after first inducting the jet in 2016. Multiple variants of the Tejas based on additional capabilities are being progressively inducted. The most advanced variant of the fighter for the IAF, the Tejas Mk-2 is expected to be inducted by 2025. The new fighter being developed for the Navy is being classified as an altogether different fighter and is expected to be superior to the IAF's Tejas Mk-2 in several respects, once developed.
 

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They should convert both IAC-1 and Vikramaditya into flat tops with 2 catapults each. We need fully loaded fighters taking off that can actually do something and also need larger platforms like E2Ds. These smaller CATOBARs will be roughly as capable as CDG class that the french operate.

I know this can be done because there was a proposal to do the same on the QE class carriers of the UK. Our carriers will be less work since they already have arrestor gear.
 

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They should convert both IAC-1 and Vikramaditya into flat tops with 2 catapults each. We need fully loaded fighters taking off that can actually do something and also need larger platforms like E2Ds. These smaller CATOBARs will be roughly as capable as CDG class that the french operate.

I know this can be done because there was a proposal to do the same on the QE class carriers of the UK. Our carriers will be less work since they already have arrestor gear.
Yeah I brought it up a while ago. Viktant (old one) started off as a CATOBAR and later became STOBAR.
But I think in small 40-45ton aircraft carriers which does not already have the mechanism, it will be very hard to insert such high-powered heavy machinery. So a most likely a STOBAR cannot become a CATOBAR, but the opposite can easily happen... That's just reshaping.

Moreover if we were going for catapult launch, then a twin-engined jet wouldn't have been necessary. EMALS can launch even a NLCA with dual Brahmos... No we're going for a skyjump for the foreseeable future.
 

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I knew it since hv thakur made it his profile cover !!
If tedbf is coming then hv thakurs words about orca will also be true. It won't take much effort from tedbf to orca just have to lighten the Landing gear and some less strength / lighter parts. And some optimization for air superiority.
Tejas program has taught us a lot.

If OCRA also gets go ahead I would say we are making planes as easy as Kites.
 

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Tejas program has taught us a lot.

If OCRA also gets go ahead I would say we are making planes as easy as Kites.
It was inevitable. Now we have a mature industry to supply components. All we need is to play with designs.
Radar , ew , weaponry all are being developed for mk1a / mwf will fit into tedbf orca and amca.

I have been saying this before. The soup is ready you just need to add flavors to it.
 

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It's all becoming clear now. MMRCA is dead.
36 original rafale will come by 2022.
36 more will come from 2025-28. ( Ordered in 2022 ).
Mwf inducted from 2026 ....
Then tedbf and orca will follow from 2030.
Amca mk1 starts induction from 2030 ....
Amca mk2 induction 2035.....
And then AMCA mk3...and next gen Indian jets. ..

Foreign jet import is over after rafale.
 

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indigenous development of the new fighter in a meeting chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by the Navy and Air Force Chiefs on 22 May. Following this meeting, the Operational Requirements (ORs) for the new fighter were issued by the Integrated Headquarters of the Ministry of Defence.
So iaf is onboard with this . Which means orca would be there too. Since operational requirements will be given by both navy and airforce.
 

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It's all becoming clear now. MMRCA is dead.
36 original rafale will come by 2022.
36 more will come from 2025-28. ( Ordered in 2022 ).
Mwf inducted from 2026 ....
Then tedbf and orca will follow from 2030.
Amca mk1 starts induction from 2030 ....
Amca mk2 induction 2035.....
And then AMCA mk3...and next gen Indian jets. ..

Foreign jet import is over after rafale.

I also feel the same MMRCA for both IAF and IN will be dead.

I think BRD is just playing with DRDO and foreign vendors by saying MMRCA is a separate program and we need them.
 

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3rd carrier will also come.Definetly in 2nd half of 2030.

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If say 114 MMRCA is cancelled in favour of 36 more rafales and we wait for this to come,then there could be room for about 200 of them.

Could be a win win for both IN and IAF
 
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The new fighter, once inducted, is meant to supplement and ultimately replace the Indian Navy's fleet of MiG-29K fighters presently in service on board the INS Vikramaditya. A high-performance jet, the MiG-29K has been plagued with serviceability issues in Indian Navy service
So mig29k will be replaced afterall. They will probably be transferred to airforce once tedbf starts coming as there structural issues are related to carrier landing . They will serve fine in airforce . They are more advanced then upg !!
 

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It's all becoming clear now. MMRCA is dead.
36 original rafale will come by 2022.
36 more will come from 2025-28. ( Ordered in 2022 ).
Mwf inducted from 2026 ....
Then tedbf and orca will follow from 2030.
Amca mk1 starts induction from 2030 ....
Amca mk2 induction 2035.....
And then AMCA mk3...and next gen Indian jets. ..

Foreign jet import is over after rafale.
It's not about technology, it's all about keeping the shrill of DDM down when first j31 lands in Pak. If we can manage the doom and gloom then, what you said will be true.
Now if DDM shows how Pak 5th gen is evading radar, downing out Jets and bombing out cities via a very cheaply produced animation, narrative will be built towards 'emergency' procurement of F35 or Su57 or anything with a 5th gen tag.
 

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