Tata Aerospace C 295

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Blademaster]

IAF/IA needs to put in more orders to build up its troop carrying capacity for a potential conflict against China in the Himalayas.

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

IAF/IA needs to put in more orders to build up its troop carrying capacity for a potential conflict against China in the Himalayas.

I think the orders will come flowing eventually as we start retiring our An-32 fleet post 2030.

IAF considers replacing AN-32 with C-295 to modernise fleet

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is considering the possibility of replacing its Antonov-32 (AN-32) planes with the C-295s to modernise its transport fleet, senior officials said.

www.google.com

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I think the orders will come flowing eventually as we start retiring our An-32 fleet post 2030.

IAF considers replacing AN-32 with C-295 to modernise fleet

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is considering the possibility of replacing its Antonov-32 (AN-32) planes with the C-295s to modernise its transport fleet, senior officials said.

www.google.com

The most logical sense and it’s old news. Again, piecemeal orders which will make the aircraft more costly in the future. Imagine the price and scale if 150 AC had been ordered. We could even have signed complete ToT with resale rights. Similar to China our next gen transport ac could have been based on those C295.

We did the same with Su30 and at the end, it was more costly in india than in Russia to manufacture

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

The most logical sense and it’s old news. Again, piecemeal orders which will make the aircraft more costly in the future. Imagine the price and scale if 150 AC had been ordered. We could even have signed complete ToT with resale rights. Similar to China our next gen transport ac could have been based on those C295.

We did the same with Su30 and at the end, it was more costly in india than in Russia to manufacture

Indian Airforce is considering leasing the light helicopters, what makes you think they would make such reasonable moves.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Indian Airforce is considering leasing the light helicopters, what makes you think they would make such reasonable moves.

Fun when they have LUH already certified by Celimac for military use. All the govt needs to do is give directions to the armed forces. Sometimes Ram down their throats. It seems they also want LUH but the govt haven’t given AON yet for the 197 helis.
Needs to order 400. They can ask HAL to manufacture just 20 per year so it gets easy for the armed forces to absorb with pilot and maintenance training.

 

[samsaptaka]

IAF/IA needs to put in more orders to build up its troop carrying capacity for a potential conflict against China in the Himalayas.

Indeed !
IAF needs to do so many things, but they are stuck in the MMRCA stuck tape-recorder whining mode.
AWACS, tankers, Lift aircraft, troop carriers...
All these Chinka manufactures indigenously and deploys en-masse....
IAF meanwhile did not even think about filling AWACS gaps till Balakot happened.
And not one gernail of IAF got fired for this lapse ! Speak of accountability.

 

[TopWatcher]

Indeed !
IAF needs to do so many things, but they are stuck in the MMRCA stuck tape-recorder whining mode.
AWACS, tankers, Lift aircraft, troop carriers...
All these Chinka manufactures indigenously and deploys en-masse....
IAF meanwhile did not even think about filling AWACS gaps till Balakot happened.
And not one gernail of IAF got fired for this lapse ! Speak of accountability.

Sum of all, IAF doesn't have any value for indigenous product. As simple as that.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

The most logical sense and it’s old news. Again, piecemeal orders which will make the aircraft more costly in the future. Imagine the price and scale if 150 AC had been ordered. We could even have signed complete ToT with resale rights. Similar to China our next gen transport ac could have been based on those C295.

We did the same with Su30 and at the end, it was more costly in india than in Russia to manufacture

IAF has been upgrading its 104 strong An-32 fleet since 2014 and these aircraft will begin retiring sometime starting 2030, now its more or less clear that C-295 is going to be replace these An-32 once their squadrons are numberplated.
Right now, the focus is on replacing the 57 odd HS748 which are on their last legs.
Su30 MKI are not the same as the Su30 SM which Russia produces, they have quite a lot of Western components which drive their unit costs up and the MKIs are licensed produced in India, which obviously costs more than procuring aircraft off the shelf.
Another reason which drove up the costs of producing the Su30 MKI in India was that the production rate that was agreed upon by all parties is approx 12 aircraft per year which is not a lot and this also affects the costs quoted by the vendors from which HAL sourced the various components and subsystems that goes into the Su30 MKI.
HAL had signed a contract to license produce 140 Su30 MKI in India back in 2000s and further contracts for 40 and 42 aircrafts respectively in 4 different phases transitioning from knocked down kits to production from raw material stage, this is going to drive up costs.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

IAF has been upgrading its 104 strong An-32 fleet since 2014 and these aircraft will begin retiring sometime starting 2030, now its more or less clear that C-295 is going to be replace these An-32 once their squadrons are numberplated.
Right now, the focus is on replacing the 57 odd HS748 which are on their last legs.
Su30 MKI are not the same as the Su30 SM which Russia produces, they have quite a lot of Western components which drive their unit costs up and the MKIs are licensed produced in India, which obviously costs more than procuring aircraft off the shelf.
Another reason which drove up the costs of producing the Su30 MKI in India was that the production rate that was agreed upon by all parties is approx 12 aircraft per year which is not a lot and this also affects the costs quoted by the vendors from which HAL sourced the various components and subsystems that goes into the Su30 MKI.
HAL had signed a contract to license produce 140 Su30 MKI in India back in 2000s and further contracts for 40 and 42 aircrafts respectively in 4 different phases transitioning from knocked down kits to production from raw material stage, this is going to drive up costs.

Not all ac are upgraded. They were supposed to be sent in batches and I think Ukraine war put an end to upgrading all ac. Some of our transports were there when the war began, not sure of IAF was able to take them out. Maybe 70 was upgraded.

You are just proving my point. Nothing much to add. Govt and IAF knew they want to order 320+ from the beginning. But they ordered in patches of 40+140+40+40 etc. how is Hal supposed to manufacture 20+ in a year with these lower number. Imagine if 320 was ordered in single order, cost could have reduced by 30%, orders completed by 2010 etc. same is going to happen for C295. We are going to end up with 150 ac but with piecemeal ordering going to drive up costs

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

Airbus pitches A-400M transport aircraft for IAF’s Medium Transport Aircraft contest

Airbus has pitched its A-400M aircraft to replace AN-32s in the Indian Air Force fleet; aircraft offers higher carrying capacity, longer range and altitude than competitors; Airbus open to ‘Make in India’ component for potential deal

www.thehindu.com

To questions on a possible ‘Make in India’ component as part of the potential deal, on the lines of the C-295 transport aircraft, Mr. Katkuri said they were open to it, and to industrialising the A400, should the numbers be viable.

In the backdrop of the 2020 stand-off in eastern Ladakh with China, the Indian Army is now looking to procure a light tank with a maximum weight of 25 tonnes. The MTA could potentially be considered to carry the light tank, officials indicated.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Airbus pitches A-400M transport aircraft for IAF’s Medium Transport Aircraft contest

Airbus has pitched its A-400M aircraft to replace AN-32s in the Indian Air Force fleet; aircraft offers higher carrying capacity, longer range and altitude than competitors; Airbus open to ‘Make in India’ component for potential deal

www.thehindu.com

To questions on a possible ‘Make in India’ component as part of the potential deal, on the lines of the C-295 transport aircraft, Mr. Katkuri said they were open to it, and to industrialising the A400, should the numbers be viable.

In the backdrop of the 2020 stand-off in eastern Ladakh with China, the Indian Army is now looking to procure a light tank with a maximum weight of 25 tonnes. The MTA could potentially be considered to carry the light tank, officials indicated.

A400 isn’t exactly in the heavy category. It’s somewhere in btw. IAF wants to replace its IL76,78 and probably C17 in the future. IAF can compromise to go with A400M, or go with future US Heavy lifter.

 

[another_armchair]

Why didn't we order more C-130J's or were the numbers enough for the specific role they were ordered?

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

A400 isn’t exactly in the heavy category. It’s somewhere in btw. IAF wants to replace its IL76,78 and probably C17 in the future. IAF can compromise to go with A400M, or go with future US Heavy lifter.

There are no heavy lifters in production anymore!! Last aircraft in commercial production was C17. I guess A400 will provide some better capability when we finally retire IL76 or maybe convert it into tankers. In heavy category we would have to be content with 11 C17 for the faceable future!!

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

Why didn't we order more C-130J's or were the numbers enough for the specific role they were ordered?

Exactly, there seems to be no logical reasoning for buying only 12 of them. Should have used them as a platform to completely fulfill the MTA requirement

 

[another_armchair]

Exactly, there seems to be no logical reasoning for buying only 12 of them. Should have used them as a platform to completely fulfill the MTA requirement

I guess we have an old obsession with piece meal orders.

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

I guess we have an old obsession with piece meal orders.

Staggered order helps the jurnails to get chai and whiskey with phoren trips!! A lot of them also get the goody goods as well!!

 

[johnj]

Exactly, there seems to be no logical reasoning for buying only 12 of them. Should have used them as a platform to completely fulfill the MTA requirement

I guess we have an old obsession with piece meal orders.

Staggered order helps the jurnails to get chai and whiskey with phoren trips!! A lot of them also get the goody goods as well!!

IAF's Super Hercules

India had recently inducted six C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, which were bought from the US at the cost of around Rs 6000 crore (USD 1.1 billion) three years ago. The per unit cost of the aircraft comes to around Rs 1,000 crore.

Too extremely expensive, IAF can easily buy 2/3 LCA tejas for 1 C130j, a big reason why UPA started MTA program, and 1 MTCA costs 1/3rd or quarter of c130J cost
Cost is the main reason why C27j withdrawn from LTA contest