Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[ezsasa]

US negotiating a safe passage withdrawal, and packaging it as some peace deal was the worst part.. US saying that it's OK to kill Afghan soldiers, if the Taliban don't kill US soldiers, is like UK telling Germany, that it's OK, to kill French soldiers but not British soldiers, during the Dunkirk evacuation in 1940.. Do the Americans have no sense of honor.. ? Atmost a few dozen US soldiers would have been killed during the withdrawal, if there was no deal between the US and Taliban.. Are the lives of a few dozen US soldiers so important that you junk the credibility of a nation..? What signals does it send to US allies..? What if Russia closes the Suwalki gap through Belarus.. Will the US sacrifice thousands of American soldiers to claw back the baltics which are part of NATO..? Maybe it's the cultural decline that has turned Americans to the cowards they are..

from a strategic and diplomatic standpoint, what the muricans are doing in Afghanistan is perfectly valid. Simply put, they are acting on their self interest.

What we are witnessing is a Segway for Murica shifting their strategic attention from our west to our east. it’s not a coincidence that them Re-focussing on indo Pacific and them taking a decision on withdrawing from Afghanistan came in the same period of time 2019-20.

Frankly I am worried for this entire decade, these sort of incidents will start happening all around the world as the world readjusts to the new strategic games between US and China. let’s just hope india keeps electing sensible leadership which will act a safety net and shield us from events outside India as much as possible at the very least.

 

[Jimih]

Ya'll Nibbiars Two possibilities.

Either there is no mind in the ranks of generals in the ANA.

Or it's a brilliant strategy.

1 . Abodend the region can't hold.

2 . Regroup.

3 . Strech the enemy.

4 . Attack their supplies and logistics.

5 . The taliban mostly loots from the local for the supplies.

6 . Probably already the most of the warehouses where the grain are stored are already emptied by the ANA.

7 . And then when the enemy has exhausted most of their food supplies hit them hard.

8 . And decimate the talbian.

But again it's taliban. They are unpredictable like a conventional forces. This can work on a conventional forces but not the taliban.

Nope, Afghanistan will fall to Taliban. Thats the bottomline.

Kabul will take some time.

 

[The Shrike]

Ya'll Nibbiars Two possibilities.

Either there is no mind in the ranks of generals in the ANA.

Or it's a brilliant strategy.

1 . Abodend the region can't hold.

2 . Regroup.

3 . Strech the enemy.

4 . Attack their supplies and logistics.

5 . The taliban mostly loots from the local for the supplies.

6 . Probably already the most of the warehouses where the grain are stored are already emptied by the ANA.

7 . And then when the enemy has exhausted most of their food supplies hit them hard.

8 . And decimate the talbian.

But again it's taliban. They are unpredictable like a conventional forces. This can work on a conventional forces but not the taliban.

That was always going to be the strategy they'd end up having to adopt, not to "decimate" the taliban, but so that they don't get stretched themselves and defeated in detail (which appears to be happening now).

 

[Lost user]

from a strategic and diplomatic standpoint, what the muricans are doing in Afghanistan is perfectly valid. Simply put, they are acting on their self interest.

What we are witnessing is a Segway for Murica shifting their strategic attention from our west to our east. it’s not a coincidence that them Re-focussing on indo Pacific and them taking a decision on withdrawing from Afghanistan came in the same period of time 2019-20.

Frankly I am worried for this entire decade, these sort of incidents will start happening all around the world as the world readjusts to the new strategic games between US and China. let’s just hope india keeps electing sensible leadership which will act a safety net and shield us from events outside India as much as possible at the very least.

US presence in Afghanistan was pointless.. My problem is with the way, it was done.. American credibility and its will to take significant military casualties is in serious doubt now, seeing how the Afghan withdrawal was handled.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars once the Afghan Goverment decimated the 1944 uprising with the help of the Hawker Hinds. A high flying aircraft's are effective with proper weaponry. But Afghan Air Force does't even have any equivalent. The Tucano will be grilled by the AAG and Missiles provided by the Mlecchas. And they are not going to fly as most of the contractors left already.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

The more I think about it, the more my belief gets strengthened that Uncle Sam WANTED this to happen. They WANTED to destabilize this region and they have. None of them knew or cared what a real solution for the region could possibly be and even if they knew for certain, they didn't lift a finger to do anything because the more that area is in chaos the better they like it.

The US could have gone in peacefully and worked commercially. Instead, being the 'exceptional' people with an unbeatable military and the intention to plunge the region in chaos, they went on the path of force.

The ANA simply surrendered everywhere and capitulated. Not even the slightest of a fight. Why? If the Afghan military with over 20 YEARS of US training and BILLIONS in weapons and arms is collapsing like a house of cards in the face of a much smaller force of insurgents, just like the Iraqi army, it can have only one conclusion.

Either the US and Western military doctrine and teachings have no credibility whatsoever or the US WANTED this to happen. This explains why Uncle Sam simply handed over all military hardware and equipment to the Taliban. If they wanted, they could have destroyed all those equipment in air strikes. It also could have been the perfect opportunity to test their loitering munitions tech.

The US had also released 6000 Taliban prisoners just a few weeks before they left. The only people that benefited from this completely were US Arms dealers and corrupt Afghans.

Most importantly, this ALSO explains why Pakistan has not been sanctioned yet by the U.S despite sending in tens of thousands of jihadis to Afghanistan in less than a month.

With a Taliban controlled Afghanistan it's clear the regime will remain anti Russia and anti-India. But China will be able to control resources to some extent with the help of Pakistan.

In the 19th and early 20th century, this region was the centerpiece of foreign intervention and interests. The Great Game, as it was called, between Russia and the British Empire, vying for power and influence here.

Now, The Great Game has returned all over again, except this time it's Uncle Sam who has destabilized the region and is waiting for the dominos to fall and for the region to burst into flames. With Chinese Communists who are persecuting Uyghur Muslims, Pakistan, Jihadist Talibani Terrorists, Russia and "Indian Kaafirs"(according to the Taliban), this is going to become the new Middle East. No matter who takes damage, the USA will benefit.

 

[Knowitall]

Ya'll Nibbiars thats a classic Staregy. Only the drawback is that the civilians will suffer the most as the food supply are totally exhausted. But give a momentum as the taliban which dosent carry that much supplies with them and depends on the locals to get the supplies will be devastated. But again Taliban can go to any resort even killing the civilians to secure the hidden supplies.

Doubt it very much.


There is absolutely no point in giving up your second largest city and all the equipment present there. Taliban has released regular videos showing all the equipment captured by them.

With amount of equipment losses taking place including the loss of strategic airports i very much doubt if they have the required men and material to push and break through talibani lines.

 

[Knowitall]

What is the situation of Indian diplomats in Kabul and other regions.

 

[Jimih]

But now they do. In a video Major Arya said and i quote "The Talibs are no longer the same animals that used to live in Tora Bora, now they have tasted money and now they know how to make money. They have seen luxuries of life in Oman". Things are not going to be the same. eveybody has needs and the world has became more integrated and interconnected than ever even after the Wuhan Virus Pandemic.

Major saab should know this that the Taliban on ground fighting and Taliban negotiating with countries going door to door are both different factions. Those so called diplomat Talibanis are based in Gulf like in Oman and Qatar.

What matters most is the will and opinion of On Ground Talibanis.

 

[ezsasa]

US presence in Afghanistan was pointless.. My problem is with the way, it was done.. American credibility and its will to take significant military casualties is in serious doubt now, seeing how the Afghan withdrawal was handled.

@Bhairav you still think india should get involved directly in Afghanistan mate?

 

[Lost user]

The more I think about it, the more my belief gets strengthened that Uncle Sam WANTED this to happen. They WANTED to destabilize this region and they have. None of them knew or cared what a real solution for the region could possibly be and even if they knew for certain, they didn't lift a finger to do anything because the more that area is in chaos the better they like it.

The US could have gone in peacefully and worked commercially. Instead, being the 'exceptional' people with an unbeatable military and the intention to plunge the region in chaos, they went on the path of force.

The ANA simply surrendered everywhere and capitulated. Not even the slightest of a fight. Why? If the Afghan military with over 20 YEARS of US training and BILLIONS in weapons and arms is collapsing like a house of cards in the face of a much smaller force of insurgents, just like the Iraqi army, it can have only two conclusions.

Either the US and Western military doctrine and teachings have no credibility whatsoever or the US WANTED this to happen. This explains why Uncle Sam simply handed over all military hardware and equipment to the Taliban. If they wanted, they could have destroyed all those equipment in air strikes. It also could have been the perfect opportunity to test their loitering munitions tech.

The US had also released 6000 Taliban prisoners just a few weeks before they left. The only people that benefited from this completely were US Arms dealers and corrupt Afghans.

Most importantly, this ALSO explains why Pakistan has not been sanctioned yet by the U.S despite sending in tens of thousands of jihadis to Afghanistan in less than a month.

With a Taliban controlled Afghanistan it's clear the regime will remain anti Russia and anti-India. But China will be able to control resources to some extent with the help of Pakistan.

In the 19th and early 20th century, this region was the centerpiece of foreign intervention and interests. The Great Game, as it was called, between Russia and the British Empire, vying for power and influence here.

Now, The Great Game has returned all over again, except this time it's Uncle Sam who has destabilized the region and is waiting for the dominos to fall and for the region to burst into flames. With Chinese Communists who are persecuting Uyghur Muslims, Pakistan, Jihadist Talibani Terrorists, Russia and "Indian Kaafirs"(according to the Taliban), this is going to become the new Middle East. No matter who takes damage, the USA will benefit.

The US releasing 5000 Talibs as part of the US Taliban deal, was an exchange, where in Talibs will spare the lives of the pretty pansies of Hollywood Military, in return for getting Talib fighters out of prison..

 

[ezsasa]

Major saab should know this that the Taliban on ground fighting and Taliban negotiating with countries going door to door are both different factions. Those so called diplomat Talibanis are based in Gulf like in Oman and Qatar.

What matters most is the will and opinion of On Ground Talibanis.

major saab knows, once in a while he sets red herring narrative traps for pakis to chase.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

The US releasing 5000 Talibs as part of the US Taliban deal, was an exchange, where in Talibs will spare the lives of the pretty pansies of Hollywood Military, in return for getting Talib fighters out of prison..

That's their "official" response, sure. But no matter what excuses they make now, the situation has been laid bare in front of the whole world. Even the most casual observer of geopolitics will come to the conclusion that bringing the Taliban to power was what the US wanted all along.

 

[ezsasa]

This narrative need to explored within India. will have to happen as much as possible within next two years, before the iron gets cold again.
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Want to understand how was mughal rule ?

Just Look at Taliban in Afghanistan

 

[Lost user]

That's their "official" response, sure. But no matter what excuses they make now, the situation has been laid bare in front of the whole world. Even the most casual observer of geopolitics will come to the conclusion that bringing the Taliban to power was what the US wanted all along.

Look.. ultimately America is a world away .. you assume that the Americans always have some master plan, they don't.. It was an article, or book by George Friedman, the founder of Stratfor and a geopolitical forecaster... He said that the US does not really care about the implications of its military interventions abroad, precisely because they never have any effect back home. This gives America great leeway to do whatever pleases it..
America has the Pacific and Atlantic oceans on its sides.. And Canada and Mexico to its north and South.. There is absolutely zero geopolitical threat to the continental United States.. And that's why it goes around blowing things up in Asia, or europe or Africa, because it can get away with it, without any negative impact on the American homeland.

 

[Cheepek]

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Chinese made RPG units recovered from the Encounter site today in Kulgam from trashmiri terrorists. These will be common sight all across J&K UT in the future.

 

[SavageKing456]

This narrative need to explored within India. will have to happen as much as possible within next two years, before the iron gets cold again.
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Want to understand how was mughal rule ?

Just Look at Taliban in Afghanistan

Good news is world will again come to know the face of islamism and India can go full berserk on terrorists in kashmir.

 

[Srinivas_K]

This narrative need to explored within India. will have to happen as much as possible within next two years, before the iron gets cold again.
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Want to understand how was mughal rule ?

Just Look at Taliban in Afghanistan

Once upon a time the central Asian Turks behaved the same way as the Taliban are behaving with Afghans.

There are many similarities in the tactics and strategy.

back in the days they used light horse archer to implement hit and run tactics in the battle field, frustrate the enemy, make him exhausted and strike to win the war. The same way Taliban use hit and run tactics.

 

[Srinivas_K]

My take is that Taliban leadership based in Pakistan, or even the ISI has not much control, on what's happening on the ground now in Afghanistan.. That Taliban fighters will not stop, even if the leadership in Pakistan tells them to...

Pakistan is the main force behind the barbarism and destruction happening in Afghanistan. They are acting like spokesperson of Taliban , cheering them .