Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[Mangal]

I don't even have the slightest clue where you came up with India gaining economic, cultural, or military gains in taking any part of Pakistan. I have no clue how taking up more land will enrich us in any way. Has someone told you all this, is it your emotions that dictate it, or are there any genuine remarks from an expert on this matter?

Then learn some basics before doing pseudo analysis.

 

[jackprince]

What is with the obsession with attacking? You clearly have no family member in the armed forces, but I do. I have no clue why many think that attacking PoK and capturing it will solve any problems for India. On the contrary, it will become a much bigger headache.

Has the world learnt nothing about invading lands that are ingrained with terrorists? US tried that in Afghanistan for close to 2 decades. Not only did they fail miserably, but they also spent trillions. Let's say we take PoK; what then? We will still border Pakistan. They will be even more motivated to wage these covert wars. Our best bet is to make peace with the status quo.

If anything, India should (and it already is) redouble its efforts to help the Balochs and others who are bereaved by the Pakistani government. We do exactly what they are doing to us.

You have family members in armed forces and so India shouldn't be aggressive!? Wtf is that logic?!!!! Have you forgotten that India has a 100% volunteer force?

Prospect of losing men can't be the determinant for engaging an enemy. Like it or not, cost of a war includes precious lives of our men and women in uniform and unwillingness to pay the price often results into even bigger cost down the line. For example, had we taken Lahore in 1965, the result could have ensured that India wouldn't have had to face the 71 war or decades of insurgency that resulted in hundred of thousands lives lost - a majority of them civilians.

Now, as for occupying terrorist hot beds. India has mastered the art through decades spent in Kashmir. We are not USA which outsourced the task to bunch of corrupt thugs and mercenaries who in turn looted US instead of doing anything at all for a permanent solution.

That might be optimistic of me, but the thing is if we take PoK and GB, we can tame them. But the strategic importance of those two geographic location is invaluable. Not only it would cut off China from Pakistan, it will literally end the strategic importance of Pak. In fact, it would make easier for freedom of Balochistan and FATA.

Yes, most of the member here wants to Balkanize Porkistan - the only way to permanently end the game of the terrorist govt of Porkistan.

 

[Jimih]

PoJk was always a fanboys wish list, there was never any hints about it from our security establishment.

If we recall during the 370 event, initially the reason was discussed as GoI preparing for fallout from eventual withdrawal muricans from Afghanistan.

So the best option according to GoI and You will be to convert LoC into an International Border and let Pakistan keep their portion of Kashmir to themselves and let India keep their portion of Kashmir to themselves? All happy, isnt it?

 

[ezsasa]

So the best option according to GoI and You will be to convert LoC into an International Border and let Pakistan keep their portion of Kashmir to themselves and let India keep their portion of Kashmir to themselves? All happy, isnt it?

my best option is take back PoJk to restore status quo.

since just because I have a wish list doesn’t mean the universe will conspire to make it into a reality, so the next best thing is to draw assumptions based on information that’s available infront of me at this point in time.

I know for a fact that universe and my thoughts don’t run on same time frames.

 

[Covfefe]

If we see winding down of PLA activity in the north and the east, would it mean that PLA activity was done to preempt perceived military action by india in Afghanistan?

and where is Saudi Arabia in all this Afghanistan matter, it’s like they have no say in the matter. After Khashoggi murder, Saudi’s seem to have been systematically sidelined.

Beg to differ on this one. The PLA activities have dimmed down all across the spectrum if you notice, leaving aside the incursions in Taiwan. The LAC incident, appears to me, was more in the continuation of "show'em who's the boss series" in which the regular viewers were Phillipines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and India. But there could be some internal resistance in Beijing within their political and military circles (crackdown on tech companies whose ownership are more often than not owned by the relatives of Party members, rotation of Military commanders). It's mostly anticipation but Chinese would have assessed(and rightly so) that India would not intervene militarily by engaging with Pak first and then the Taliban who were effectively being handed over the reins to that country by the Americans. The pilferage of terrorism to Kashmir is too less of a cost to undertake such expensive military maneuver, even keeping the PLA factor aside.

 

[HitmanBlood]

We have had conflicts, Kargil, post-Balakot, Galwan. Kargil showed us the need of light attack helicopters, 155/52 howitzer, replacement of INSAS and many more. So the question is how much have we learnt. Post-Balakot and Galwan are relatively recent conflicts and will have to see what we have learnt and what steps we have taken to ensure we are prepared better for next time around.

62, 65, 71, Kargil, were all wakeup call for our establishment and we did learn a lot from our experience from it. However our mentality is reactive not proactive. This isn't just limited to politics but it also applies to our millitary planners.

We still have a lot to learn. A fresh large scale conflict will create an urgency that will accelerate many things. Remember we belong to a country whose defence minister was thinking of getting rid of military entirely before 1961.

Countries like USA, Russia, UK, France, etc. Are fighting wars for centuries. This experience has enabled them to develop a time tested military doctrine and establishment of strong MIC.

We have been in constant conflict, even if it is in low scale - since forever.

Also, don't put blames on politicians alone. It is not politicians who run the country. They only guide when it is the colonial eta bureaucracy that runs it.

Just see that even though this govt is ready to open purse strings, all the procurement processes move in a snail's pace! How would it have been possible had there not been a bottleneck somewhere in MoD?

Anyhow, a strong MIC is bad for a nation. Just see how USA has been thrust into one after another conflicts since WW2. Only because of dollar and the military USA still is floating. Any other nation would have gone bankrupt by now.

In a democracy like India ultimate authority of budgetary relocation lies within political leadership. Bureaucracy is designed to slow things down but there are ways to overcome those obstacles. If political leadership starts taking defence seriously things will definitely change.

On your argument of MIC. I have a different opinion. A strong MIC is always beneficial to a country in more than one way. American MIC is huge and much more diverse than what it seems on surface. What is Americans good at? Electronics, rocketry, aviation? all were byproducts of MIC. Billions and billions in exports plus huge leverage over many countries that depend on American military hardware. I would love to see India have that kind of MIC.

Coming to MIC and wars. This is a liberal talking point. Same argument, "They are spending too much on defence instead they should do...XYZ". Well what is too much? They say because America is dropping bombs on ME countries, defence companies make money from supplying bombs. Therefore they must have caused war somehow. This argument comes from Marxist ideology that was designed to weaken nations. We have followers of the same ideology here in India as well. The truth is a strong MIC is requirement for a nation to prosper and secure itself.

 

[doreamon]

women gather to support Taliban in Afghanistan ... How do they see if eyes are even covered . They cld have wear those blue dress where there are small holes in front of eyes to view the world .


Pakistan wants to become world power by creating such theocratic country on its border .... Can u trust these women to do any medical operation on you .. i mean wht cld go wrong ..

 

[Flying Dagger]

So the best option according to GoI and You will be to convert LoC into an International Border and let Pakistan keep their portion of Kashmir to themselves and let India keep their portion of Kashmir to themselves? All happy, isnt it?

The best option is division of porkland for now.

That will give us enough buffer. We have two pakistan on left and right and one inside india to take care.

 

[shade]

women gather to support Taliban in Afghanistan ... How do they see if eyes are even covered . They cld have wear those blue dress where there are small holes in front of eyes to view the world .


Pakistan wants to become world power by creating such theocratic country on its border .... Can u trust these women to do any medical operation on you .. i mean wht cld go wrong ..

The only medical operation they will conduct is popping out the next Abdul whateverthefuck-zai out every 9 months.

You know even Iran is run by Mullahs but those are pragmatic mullahs.

Here you have jahils who live in caves and barely know how to read.
Now they have become top tier govt officials.

btw this drama of garbage bag wearing wives/sisters etc of talibs is to counter the protests by Kabuli women that was publicized a few days back.
There was one especially comedic pic of a fat kabuliwali just starting at a talib who was pointing an M16 at her.
0 fucks given, those women have actual balls.

Said Kabuliwalis were wearing salwar kameez with only their hair covered but faces visible, unlike this unspoken fatwa of wearing black/blue bags only that talibs promote.

 

[Jimih]

women gather to support Taliban in Afghanistan ... How do they see if eyes are even covered . They cld have wear those blue dress where there are small holes in front of eyes to view the world .

How can we be sure that all the burqa-dhaaris shown in the picture have women inside?

 

[shade]

How can we be sure that all the burqa-dhaaris shown in the picture have women inside?

You can't be, but with one guy having the option of 4 wives, his sisters, his mom and aunts.
Basically they can arrange for a full village of women to come and "support" them.

This is all for Opteeks meant for these gora liberal cuntries like Germaniya and all, to open the taps of aid moneys.

Their scheme is that they will make loud proclamations of how women can go to work/college and girls can go to school, but irl those who work will either be threatened with "dire consequences" by on ground talibs and those who still be defiant and go to work/college will be made examples of.
Now this example making will be put on "ISIS-K" or any other patsy terrorist group.

The result will be that you will have very low amounts of women being educated/working, and only then limited to cities like Kabul, in the view of the moneyed western powers who have a keeda for humanitarianism.

This is their paradigm, act liberal and not terrorist etc. with all official announcements, but the reality on ground will be 100% sharia compliant.

 

[indus]

How can we be sure that all the burqa-dhaaris shown in the picture have women inside?

Poultry owners count their chickens everyday.

 

[Jimih]

Fact of the Day

"Taliban were in power on September 11 2001 and on September 11 2021 as well"

 

[Srinivas_K]

 

[Suryavanshi]

Just because I do not surrender to my emotions and barf up any garbage that I can think of, shouldn't make you conclude that I don't understand a thing or two. It's so easy for you to say things like "take back PoK", whereas I am telling you that it will lead to more problems for us. It's perfectly fine for you to beat your chest and demand such things without understanding any consequences, cause frankly, I am sure that in your head it would be a win-win. And please, for the sake of not being taken seriously, do not compare US's power projection ability to India's. We are no where even close to something like that.

I am sick of hijacking this thread with Pakistan-related posts. We can continue this on a more suitable thread later.

@Kartooz u seem to be getting the wrong Idea.

Every nation has goals way above itself(Aukat). For the Chinese it is literally conquering the world beginning with Taiwan.
Do u call the Chinese retarded.
For pakistan it is breaking Indian Into pieces.

Only dhindus like you are content with his 9 to 5 IT sector Job and 1 hour of standup comedy content to cope with their miserable life.

Human life is pursuit of goals even if they seem unrealistic never settle for mediocrity.
Accept your situations but don't let it be the end of it.
If u are a 4 LPA job than acsept it but device a way to move to 7 lpa and eventually 12 lpa.
Bigger goal everytime. Keep the fire burning.

Survive today to live tomorrow (Survive and live are two entirely different things)

No hate to anyone woking in IT sector but I notice a Trend, this sector kills the fire in people and reduce apittite for risk.
These people are the ones who go on to say bhai Hospital bana do Mandir ki kya jaroorat he.


Set goals for yourselves that u think u deserve.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

62, 65, 71, Kargil, were all wakeup call for our establishment and we did learn a lot from our experience from it. However our mentality is reactive not proactive. This isn't just limited to politics but it also applies to our millitary planners.

We still have a lot to learn. A fresh large scale conflict will create an urgency that will accelerate many things. Remember we belong to a country whose defence minister was thinking of getting rid of military entirely before 1961.

Countries like USA, Russia, UK, France, etc. Are fighting wars for centuries. This experience has enabled them to develop a time tested military doctrine and establishment of strong MIC.


In a democracy like India ultimate authority of budgetary relocation lies within political leadership. Bureaucracy is designed to slow things down but there are ways to overcome those obstacles. If political leadership starts taking defence seriously things will definitely change.

On your argument of MIC. I have a different opinion. A strong MIC is always beneficial to a country in more than one way. American MIC is huge and much more diverse than what it seems on surface. What is Americans good at? Electronics, rocketry, aviation? all were byproducts of MIC. Billions and billions in exports plus huge leverage over many countries that depend on American military hardware. I would love to see India have that kind of MIC.

Coming to MIC and wars. This is a liberal talking point. Same argument, "They are spending too much on defence instead they should do...XYZ". Well what is too much? They say because America is dropping bombs on ME countries, defence companies make money from supplying bombs. Therefore they must have caused war somehow. This argument comes from Marxist ideology that was designed to weaken nations. We have followers of the same ideology here in India as well. The truth is a strong MIC is requirement for a nation to prosper and secure itself.

Biggest faultline during Kargil was intelligence failure, 21 years later in Ladakh I am afraid but I feel it was again an intelligence failure.

 

[shade]

@Kartooz u seem to be getting the wrong Idea.

Every nation has goals way above itself(Aukat). For the Chinese it is literally conquering the world beginning with Taiwan.
Do u call the Chinese retarded.
For pakistan it is breaking Indian Into pieces.

The Chings literally see this as their destiny, their rightful place at the top of the pyramid, the true Middle Kingdom like they were during the times of their Empires.
This is a feedback loop between CCP and the Chinese plebs, they instill patriotism and "national goals" like this in the proles, and these proles will eventually join CCP and ascend to high ranks.

Here nobody cares, on the national govt level or on the level of the proles.
There is no ambition here, no long term vision.

 

[Lost user]

@Kartooz u seem to be getting the wrong Idea.

Every nation has goals way above itself(Aukat). For the Chinese it is literally conquering the world beginning with Taiwan.
Do u call the Chinese retarded.
For pakistan it is breaking Indian Into pieces.

Only dhindus like you are content with his 9 to 5 IT sector Job and 1 hour of standup comedy content to cope with their miserable life.

Human life is pursuit of goals even if they seem unrealistic never settle for mediocrity.
Accept your situations but don't let it be the end of it.
If u are a 4 LPA job than acsept it but device a way to move to 7 lpa and eventually 12 lpa.
Bigger goal everytime. Keep the fire burning.

Survive today to live tomorrow (Survive and live are two entirely different things)

No hate to anyone woking in IT sector but I notice a Trend, this sector kills the fire in people and reduce apittite for risk.
These people are the ones who go on to say bhai Hospital bana do Mandir ki kya jaroorat he.


Set goals for yourselves that u think u deserve.

Dude.. I am an IT guy here..
And all I have been jacking off to, for the past year, is some serious bloodshed ( meaning real war, and not gang war with clubs) along the LAC.. Or LoC.. Sad to see that nothing has materialized

I have a theory here..

India was dirt poor when it broke up Bangladesh. China was worse than poor, and had no MIC when it pulled off the biggest land grab in post World war history, when it conquered Tibet and Xinjiang which are about 40 percent of PRC landmass. If China had tried to do it today, most of the global powers would be up in arms against China..
Unless, you are a economic hyperpower like America, with all the world's financial system under your control, it is very difficult to pull off a major land grab.. When you are a tier 2 military power like Russia, even a minor grab like Crimea, set off alarm bells in all of Europe and US, and led to serious sanctions against Russia, and kind of put some life back into NATO..
So, I would say, India conquering Gilgit Baltistan now, would set off fewer alarm bells in the west, than India conquering Gilgit Baltistan in 2040, when India would be a much more formidable economic and military power..

And Hoping here to moving beyond this along the LAC:

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Dude.. I am an IT guy here..
And all I have been jacking off to, for the past year, is some serious bloodshed ( meaning real war, and not gang war with clubs) along the LAC.. Or LoC.. Sad to see that nothing has materialized
I have a theory here..
India was dirt poor when it broke up Bangladesh. China was worse than poor, and had no MIC when it pulled off the biggest land grab in post World war history.. If China had tried to do it today, most of the global powers would be up in arms against China..
Unless, you are a economic hyperpower like America, with all the world's financial system under your control, it is very difficult to pull off a major land grab.. When you are a tier 2 military power like Russia, even a minor grab like Crimea, set off alarm bells in all of Europe and US, and led to serious sanctions against Russia, and kind of put some life back into NATO..
So, I would say, India conquering Gilgit Baltistan now, would set off fewer alarm bells in the west, than India conquering Gilgit Baltistan in 2040, when India would be a much more formidable economic and military power..

And Hoping here to moving beyond this along the LAC:

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I love the army camels , 105 mm artillery gun and HEDP shell with 84 mm carl gutsav

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

The three things will win us any war with the chinks