Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[jackprince]

Maybe a conflict is needed to wake us up from our slumber. Politicians will rather spend money on freebies or some development related project because it gets them votes. Unless there is an immediate danger they will not spend money on military hardware. There is a reason why MIC is strong in countries that constantly wage wars.

We have been in constant conflict, even if it is in low scale - since forever.

Also, don't put blames on politicians alone. It is not politicians who run the country. They only guide when it is the colonial eta bureaucracy that runs it.

Just see that even though this govt is ready to open purse strings, all the procurement processes move in a snail's pace! How would it have been possible had there not been a bottleneck somewhere in MoD?

Anyhow, a strong MIC is bad for a nation. Just see how USA has been thrust into one after another conflicts since WW2. Only because of dollar and the military USA still is floating. Any other nation would have gone bankrupt by now.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Maybe a conflict is needed to wake us up from our slumber. Politicians will rather spend money on freebies or some development related project because it gets them votes. Unless there is an immediate danger they will not spend money on military hardware. There is a reason why MIC is strong in countries that constantly wage wars.

We have had conflicts, Kargil, post-Balakot, Galwan. Kargil showed us the need of light attack helicopters, 155/52 howitzer, replacement of INSAS and many more. So the question is how much have we learnt. Post-Balakot and Galwan are relatively recent conflicts and will have to see what we have learnt and what steps we have taken to ensure we are prepared better for next time around.

 

[Kartooz]

Balakot and Galwan have had this government pull up its pants and really smell the rotten fish hidden behind the couch. Face-offs with China have also been a wake-up call and I can say that first hand as I have visited Ladakh not even a month ago. There has been aggressive development of roads all over the UT. Not only is BRO making these roads all weather but is also widening them for easier transport of tanks and heavy weapons. Drone incidents at Jammu have also helped push stalled drone tech.

India has seemed to have woken up from its slumber and is trying to get more assertive now.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Balakot and Galwan have had this government pull up its pants and really smell the rotten fish hidden behind the couch. Face-offs with China have also been a wake-up call and I can say that first hand as I have visited Ladakh not even a month ago. There has been aggressive development of roads all over the UT. Not only is BRO making these roads all weather but is also widening them for easier transport of tanks and heavy weapons. Drone incidents at Jammu have also helped push stalled drone tech.

India has seemed to have woken up from its slumber and is trying to get more assertive now.

You mean elephant has started charging now ?

 

[Kartooz]

You mean elephant has started charging now ?

The elephant doesn't need to charge in my opinion. No sane animal would charge an elephant when it is up and fully aware of its surroundings. Unlike many on this forum, I do not see or want to see India as an aggressor.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

The elephant doesn't need to charge in my opinion. No sane animal would charge an elephant when it is up and fully aware of its surroundings. Unlike many on this forum, I do not see or want to see India as an aggressor.

What if we have been attacked , waht after that ?do you see its well and good to be aggressive then

 

[Kartooz]

What if we have been attacked , waht after that ?do you see its well and good to be aggressive then

What is with the obsession with attacking? You clearly have no family member in the armed forces, but I do. I have no clue why many think that attacking PoK and capturing it will solve any problems for India. On the contrary, it will become a much bigger headache.

Has the world learnt nothing about invading lands that are ingrained with terrorists? US tried that in Afghanistan for close to 2 decades. Not only did they fail miserably, but they also spent trillions. Let's say we take PoK; what then? We will still border Pakistan. They will be even more motivated to wage these covert wars. Our best bet is to make peace with the status quo.

If anything, India should (and it already is) redouble its efforts to help the Balochs and others who are bereaved by the Pakistani government. We do exactly what they are doing to us.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

What is with the obsession with attacking? You clearly have no family member in the armed forces, but I do. I have no clue why many think that attacking PoK and capturing it will solve any problems for India. On the contrary, it will become a much bigger headache.

Has the world learnt nothing about invading lands that are ingrained with terrorists? US tried that in Afghanistan for close to 2 decades. Not only did they fail miserably, but they also spent trillions. Let's say we take PoK; what then? We will still border Pakistan. They will be even more motivated to wage these covert wars. Our best bet is to make peace with the status quo.

If anything, India should (and it already is) redouble its efforts to help the Balochs and others who are bereaved by the Pakistani government. We do exactly what they are doing to us.

I never say pok but others here have some obsession with it.
Iam say that if we are attacked , I understand your concern very much and respect it but still what is your thought on how should military react if pakis do some retarded shit .
In my opinion we should attack sindh , it s the smallest province and ideal tank country. To be honest.

 

[Kartooz]

I never say pok but others here have some obsession with it.
Iam say that if we are attacked , I understand your concern very much and respect it but still what is your thought on how should military react if pakis do some retarded shit .
In my opinion we should attack sindh , it s the smallest province and ideal tank country. To be honest.

What will that achieve? Please do tell. And what kind of attack on us are you talking about? You need to be clearer on that.

 

[indus]

What will that achieve? Please do tell. And what kind of attack on us that are you talking about? You need to be clearer on that.

Taking back Sindh will bring us closer to our roots. Sindh was part of the Indus valley civilization which gave us our identity. Not to forget the remaining Hindus who have no future in there, and will be subjugated till they convert to Islam. Mata Hinglaj is one of the Shaktipeeth which exists in present day Balochstan. Katasraj temple is said to be the place where Shiva s tears fell. Kartarpur, Nankana Sahib, all these places have a Hindu identity. They were forcefully taken away from us by Jihadi quom. The same Quom that still breeds inside India. Pakistan does not have any identity of its own. Its a stolen land which shld be returned to its rightful owner. Even if we do not get our entire pre partition landscape, we shld dismanlte the jihadi ecosystem which is destabilizing the entire region. India has to devote a large sum of money to secure itself from Pakistan. If it were broken into parts India would gain economically, culturally, strategically and millitarily aspects

 

[The Shrike]

Did not see this posted earlier, Its now confirmed by NYT investigation that the drone strike that US said targeted against IS-K terrorist actually killed a US affiliated aid worker and his family.

 

[Jimih]

Taking back Sindh will bring us closer to our roots. Sindh was part of the Indus valley civilization which gave us our identity.

"पंजाब सिन्धु गुजरात मराठा
द्राविड़ उत्कल बंग
विंध्य हिमाचल......"

Sindhu is missing from India, and it is mentioned in India's national anthem.

 

[Kartooz]

Taking back Sindh will bring us closer to our roots. Sindh was part of the Indus valley civilization which gave us our identity. Not to forget the remaining Hindus who have no future in there, and will be subjugated till they convert to Islam. Mata Hinglaj is one of the Shaktipeeth which exists in present day Balochstan. Katasraj temple is said to be the place where Shiva s tears fell. Kartarpur, Nankana Sahib, all these places have a Hindu identity. They were forcefully taken away from us by Jihadi quom. The same Quom that still breeds inside India. Pakistan does not have any identity of its own. Its a stolen land which shld be returned to its rightful owner. Even if we do not get our entire pre partition landscape, we shld dismanlte the jihadi ecosystem which is destabilizing the entire region. India has to devote a large sum of money to secure itself from Pakistan. If it were broken into parts India would gain economically, culturally, strategically and millitarily aspects

Ahhhh, and you think Pakistan will simply let you take a part of their land (a peace of lands that India doesn't even dispute). While we are at it, do you think Pakistan will surrender the entirety of its lands to us?

I don't even have the slightest clue where you came up with India gaining economic, cultural, or military gains in taking any part of Pakistan. I have no clue how taking up more land will enrich us in any way. Has someone told you all this, is it your emotions that dictate it, or are there any genuine remarks from an expert on this matter?

 

[Kartooz]

"पंजाब सिन्धु गुजरात मराठा
द्राविड़ उत्कल बंग
विंध्य हिमाचल......"

Sindhu is missing from India, and it is mentioned in India's national anthem.

So we are doing it simply for the emotion of it? At least you are honest with your reasoning. Thanks.

 

[indus]

Ahhhh, and you think Pakistan will simply let you take a part of their land (a peace of lands that India doesn't even dispute). While we are at it, do you think Pakistan will surrender the entirety of its lands to us?

I don't even have the slightest clue where you came up with India gaining economic, cultural, or military gains in taking any part of Pakistan. I have no clue how taking up more land will enrich us in any way. Has someone told you all this, is it your emotions that dictate it, or are there any genuine remarks from an expert on this matter?

PoK is disputed territory, fact is accepted by everyone and it shld be taken back. Other than that, i already said if pre partition landscape cannot be redrawn, the country shld be broken. Balochis run an active insurgency and want independence. Infact Baloch were independent till April 1948 after which they were captured by Jinnah. Sindh also want to have a separate identity and have little interest in staying within Pakistan. This country was formed from a breakup, it was again broken in two parts in 1971. So breaking it again shld not be an impossible task. And Pakis have a good experience in surrender. I understand its not an easy task and will take decades. Any gain of geography comes with economic and millitary gains. Else Brits, Americans wont be keeping remote islands like Deigo Garcia far from their homes for no purpose. If you are not capable to understand these terms you are probably in a wrong place.

 

[Kartooz]

PoK is disputed territory, fact is accepted by everyone and it shld be taken back. Other than that, i already said if pre partition landscape cannot be redrawn, the country shld be broken. Balochis run an active insurgency and want independence. Infact Baloch were independent till April 1948 after which they were captured by Jinnah. Sindh also want to have a separate identity and have little interest in staying within Pakistan. This country was formed from a breakup, it was again broken in two parts in 1971. So breaking it again shld not be an impossible task. Pakis have a good experience in surrender. I understand its not an easy task and will take decades. Any gain of geography comes with economic and millitary gains. Else Brits, Americans wont be keeping remote islands like Deigo Garcia far from their homes for no purpose. If you are not capable to understand these terms you are probably in a wrong place.

Just because I do not surrender to my emotions and barf up any garbage that I can think of, shouldn't make you conclude that I don't understand a thing or two. It's so easy for you to say things like "take back PoK", whereas I am telling you that it will lead to more problems for us. It's perfectly fine for you to beat your chest and demand such things without understanding any consequences, cause frankly, I am sure that in your head it would be a win-win. And please, for the sake of not being taken seriously, do not compare US's power projection ability to India's. We are no where even close to something like that.

I am sick of hijacking this thread with Pakistan-related posts. We can continue this on a more suitable thread later.

 

[indus]

Just because I do not surrender to my emotions and barf up any garbage that I can think of, shouldn't make you conclude that I don't understand a thing or two. It's so easy for you to say things like "take back PoK", whereas I am telling you that it will lead to more problems for us. It's perfectly fine for you to beat your chest and demand such things without understanding any consequences, cause frankly, I am sure that in your head it would be a win-win. And please, for the sake of not being taken seriously, do not compare US's power projection ability to India's. We are no where even close to something like that.

I am sick of hijacking this thread with Pakistan-related posts. We can continue this on a more suitable thread later.

Try to save your neurons. They seem to be few in number

 

[ezsasa]

If we see winding down of PLA activity in the north and the east, would it mean that PLA activity was done to preempt perceived military action by india in Afghanistan?

and where is Saudi Arabia in all this Afghanistan matter, it’s like they have no say in the matter. After Khashoggi murder, Saudi’s seem to have been systematically sidelined.

 

[Jimih]

If we see winding down of PLA activity in the north and the east, would it mean that PLA activity was done to preempt perceived military action by india in Afghanistan?

or maybe preempt perceived military action by India in PoJK?

 

[ezsasa]

or maybe preempt perceived military action by india in PoJK?

PoJk was always a fanboys wish list, there was never any hints about it from our security establishment.

If we recall during the 370 event, initially the reason was discussed as GoI preparing for fallout from eventual withdrawal muricans from Afghanistan.