Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[Samaritan]

Balakot happened with a Trump white house. Biden-Kamala has instilled almost schizophrenic levels of fright in the Modi government. He'll let any group of chadarmods defile the Tricolor on the Red Fort out of fear that Democrats will drone-strike 7RCR if he took action.

Little does he know that the Democrats are already executing a slow regime-change op in India, and he'd rather go out in a blaze of glory having achieved big strategic goals; than whither away in disgrace like a coward. Nobody is going to praise Modi's COVID-19 vaccination programme despite being arguably the world's best outside of China. That itself should be an indicator that he should stop trying to impress the world, focus on India's interests, even if at cost to his own image/party.

There would be big stakes involved to ouster Modi , I agree . Firm India will cost to much to international community. Modi is master of perception management and I know he knows these thinks.

 

[SavageKing456]

Chanakya had very clearly said that a neighbour country can never be your friend as it will try to encroach on your territory. However neighbour's neighbour will be your friend as it will have problems with your neighbour.
Applying here: Pakistan will never be our friend and Afghanistan will never remain Pakistan's friend. Afghanistan and India will be friends, eventually. The problem here is that Afganistan does not have a single polity as of now. There are various groups. India's single motive should be to harm Pakistan. Even if Talibanis want to liberate Kashmir, which I doubt, they can't do it without Pakistan. Our enemy is Pakistan, not Taliban. In stead of doing something in Afghanistan, India should better escalate with Pakistan.

This logic only applies till Pakistan exists after that we become enemies

 

[Covfefe]

What is incomprehensible is why India is not investing heavily (in other words, buying off the editorial boards actually) in the BBC, NYT, Washinton Post etc not that we are short of cash. Media plays a huge role in psyops and the Chinese and Pakis are way ahead in this game and have invested millions in these media houses. The Western media is now greatly influenced by them. As the saying goes, it's the money that makes the mare go! Why we are giving short shrift to this important aspect is surprising

I think it's the other way round. Western governments do not toe Paki's lines because Western media says so. Western governments just love these failed authoritarian states that they can control through money and arms support(in the case of Pak, it is US, KSA, UAE, and other international organizations ergo IMF,WB, EU funds), and their media toes the same line- "Pak is an ally and a victim of Afghan instability with a much bigger and belligerent neighbor India where Hindus have not reconciled with the idea of Pakistan yet". This idea is also easier to sell because the keywords "Islam, underdog, victim, persecuted" sell really fast in liberal societies.

And India, if it aspires to have a spine and a standing of its own, will never find a voice in the Western media. They love the people whose countries they have bombed and then taken a few hundred refugees in to make documentaries later- can't do that with India.

 

[Srinivas_K]

For info. The snake is king cobra.

 

[Samaritan]

Chanakya had very clearly said that a neighbour country can never be your friend as it will try to encroach on your territory. However neighbour's neighbour will be your friend as it will have problems with your neighbour.
Applying here: Pakistan will never be our friend and Afghanistan will never remain Pakistan's friend. Afghanistan and India will be friends, eventually. The problem here is that Afganistan does not have a single polity as of now. There are various groups. India's single motive should be to harm Pakistan. Even if Talibanis want to liberate Kashmir, which I doubt, they can't do it without Pakistan. Our enemy is Pakistan, not Taliban. In stead of doing something in Afghanistan, India should better escalate with Pakistan.

Correct analysis!

 

[Dessert Storm]

(Those who wish to believe are welcome... the rest of the intellectuals can exercise this option )

The yesterday PM meeting over Afghan situation was regarding coordination with Iran & Tajikistan for supplying ship loads of ammunition to the Northern resistance. (& there's a lot of variety to it)

Pak army has activated its air-defence sites all along PoJK facing the LoC. The PA is now fearing an Indian retaliation after Pakistan vertically escalated matters by deploying one of its China-supplied CH-3A armed tactical UAVs in Panjshir 48 hours ago. This is no longer a rumour.

Panjshir is not a spot of area, but is a long river-valley & anyone getting a toehold there does not mean that a firm foothold has been secured there.
Taliban inside Panjshir is in same position as Pakistan army in Siachen.

Video supporting your pinned comment on Panjshir-Siachin

 

[Srinivas_K]

 

[Dessert Storm]

Afghan Air force back in action
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What's interesting to note is the way NA is going up the escalation ladder. They are bringing in their aerial assets into play once the opposition brought in their's. Getting some professional miltary advice?

 

[Srinivas_K]

What's interesting to note is the way NA is going up the escalation ladder. They are bringing in their aerial assets into play once the opposition brought in their's. Getting some professional miltary advice?

I doubt Resistance will come to talks now after yesterday. They seem to climb the escalation ladder as they have done it successfully in the past.

 

[Srinivas_K]

 

[Dessert Storm]

I doubt Resistance will come to talks now after yesterday. They seem to climb the escalation ladder as they have done it successfully in the past.

They definitely will at some point in time, but with a stronger hand. Coalition of Pashtuns, Hazaras, Tajiks n Uzbeks etc is the only way to bring some semblance of stability.

 

[shashankk]

I doubt Resistance will come to talks now after yesterday. They seem to climb the escalation ladder as they have done it successfully in the past.

Unless Russia and Iran offer them overt and India offer covert help to them they wont be able to do much. negotiation is best way out for them. Tajikistan is too dependent and militarily weak to make much of difference in terms of cutting edge Intel and occasional help with quality firepower. I feel India should help them in terms of money to get ammunitions so it cant be tracked to us by Uncle SAM. I am sure Uncle SAM had tried their level best to make sure that we dont intervene in Afghanistan.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Unless Russia and Iran offer them overt and India offer covert help to them they wont be able to do much. negotiation is best way out for them. Tajikistan is too dependent and militarily weak to make much of difference in terms of cutting edge Intel and occasional help with quality firepower. I feel India should help them in terms of money to get ammunitions so it cant be tracked to us by Uncle SAM. I am sure Uncle SAM had tried their level best to make sure that we dont intervene in Afghanistan.

India is on its own on vis -a-vis Afghanistan US is more worried about its civilians trapped in Afghanistan.

 

[Srinivas_K]

 

[doreamon]

India is on its own on vis -a-vis Afghanistan US is more worried about its civilians trapped in Afghanistan.

If tajikistan providing help india iran russian agencies might send financial help .. that makes sense .. Given pakistan has sent direct military support and haqquani network asserting itself .. That virtualy closes all reconciliation effort between India and taliban .. Dont expect anything from USA/uk or it media .. They have been working with taliban for a long time for this outcome . Pakistan controlls what west think .. UK beaurocracy is full of pakistani who are nt coconut indian like ours .. And CIA ISI have been allies for decades .

 

[shashankk]

India is on its own on vis -a-vis Afghanistan US is more worried about its civilians trapped in Afghanistan.

I understand that very well about on our own in Afghanistan. I was referring to us restricting ourselves from direct involvement there and do it covertly. Problem is that we dont share border with them and that limits kind of help we can provide. so covert help is only we can offer for now.

 

[Knowitall]

(Those who wish to believe are welcome... the rest of the intellectuals can exercise this option )

The yesterday PM meeting over Afghan situation was regarding coordination with Iran & Tajikistan for supplying ship loads of ammunition to the Northern resistance. (& there's a lot of variety to it)

Pak army has activated its air-defence sites all along PoJK facing the LoC. The PA is now fearing an Indian retaliation after Pakistan vertically escalated matters by deploying one of its China-supplied CH-3A armed tactical UAVs in Panjshir 48 hours ago. This is no longer a rumour.

Panjshir is not a spot of area, but is a long river-valley & anyone getting a toehold there does not mean that a firm foothold has been secured there.
Taliban inside Panjshir is in same position as Pakistan army in Siachen.

How realistic is it for us to strike them via air?

 

[AMCA]

 

[doreamon]

How realistic is it for us to strike them via air?

I dnt think India will go for air strike to support NA . It cld provide financial help for supply of ammunition .. In past we also used to drop ammunition , food in Afganistan for NA .. Airstrike ll happen when something big happens in india with connection to Haqqani network .. Or incase of a full blown war between india pak when paki airforce use Afgan air base .

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

How realistic is it for us to strike them via air?

You mean to say they should be allowed to get away with Quadcopter strikes on Jammu AFS, dropping arms in Punjab & now the next level deployment of armed drones in Panjshir... if it is ok & that's allowed to happen then we are accepting a new normal which would be disastrous for us.

Next what? armed drone strikes in srinagar to help "freedom fighters" or on Indian bunkers on LOC for easy conveyance of Jihadis... or in very near future use of EW version of the Turkish ANKA drones to jam the communications of our forward companies on LOC to segregate & ambush them.

Escalate or ....!

waise iss heated argument ka koi faayda nahi

A saying "Give me 10 good men & I will impregnate the bitch"

The Paki bitch has already been impregnated. Wait for the results.