Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[JBH22]

Mahashay , mbrl are notoriously ineffective in mountain warfare .
2 cases .
1) soviet afgan war : here same bm 21 grad was used by soviet to destroy mujahedin , result was abysmal.
Reason is mbrl is a area weapon, it targets a general area but it is not accurate .
"In same panjsher, soviet army spent divisions yet the might of ussr could not overpower it "
The mujahdin would hide in tunnels or caves rendering it aka mbrl highly ineffective.
Only options were either use of 122 mm artillery guns or mi 8 or mi 25 gunships which could pin point enemy positions
2) kargil war : here indian army faced what soviet army faced in afgan although on a smaller scale .
Here too mbrl were ineffective e hence bofors or 130 mm artillery and mi 8 gunships were only options.
Here too mbrl would do minimal damage, it would scatter over a large area on the targeted mountains .
Plus like mujahedin in afgan , pakis too shot down some mi 8s using anza missiles.

BM-21 rocket calibre is 122mm if i'm not mistaken. With regards to the Soviet afghan war, the Russians mostly used the larger BM-27 Uragan 220mm MBRL in mountainous region. For fortified positions, they relied on
2S4 Tyulpan heavy mortars and TOS systems to flush out the insurgents. Infantry used the Shmel flame thrower, note we also used same in kashmir to roast these pigs alive.
BM-21 was mostly used by afghan forces.

With regards to kargil as you said ineffectiveness of 122mm round was noted. Hence, the acquisition of BM-30 smerch by the forces. if you refer to below thread you can get some idea what we discussed years ago
https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/indian-army-tactical-blunders-during-kargil-war.53543/

 

[Jimih]

This may be the Afghan-Taliban Govt within next 24-72 hours

Hibatullah Akhundzada- the Supreme Leader of Afghanistan, (Ayatollah Style)

Mullah Mohammad Hasan- Prime Minister

Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar- Deputy PM

Mullah Yaqoob (son of Taliban founder Mullah Omar) - Minister of Defense

Sirajuddin Haqqani- Minister of the Interior

Amir Khan Muttaqi- Foreign Minister

Gul Agha Ishakzai- Minister of Finance

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

BM-21 rocket calibre is 122mm if i'm not mistaken. With regards to the Soviet afghan war, the Russians mostly used the larger BM-27 Uragan 220mm MBRL in mountainous region. For fortified positions, they relied on
2S4 Tyulpan heavy mortars and TOS systems to flush out the insurgents. Infantry used the Shmel flame thrower, note we also used same in kashmir to roast these pigs alive.
BM-21 was mostly used by afghan forces.

With regards to kargil as you said ineffectiveness of 122mm round was noted. Hence, the acquisition of BM-30 smerch by the forces. if you refer to below thread you can get some idea what we discussed years ago
https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/indian-army-tactical-blunders-during-kargil-war.53543/

By 122 mm artillery i meant this

though we have modernized our bm 21s also

 

[Jimih]

I ask the Uzbek and Tajik Taliban not to fall into the hands of the Punjab Taliban, because your war with the resistance of your brothers is not in your interest but in Pakistan, so do not waste time. Show your masculinity once again, your weapon And stand by your resistance brothers.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Lumber 1 lSl cheap of staff reaches Kabul

 

[JBH22]

Lumber 1 lSl cheap of staff reaches Kabul
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Baniyas look how handsome our tashrif sharif is, compare with your RAW and IB chief.
No wonder we ruled over you 1000years.

 

[Suhaldev]

Helmet footage from a marine from day before USA left base

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Two Battalions of Pakistani SSG joined the Taliban against Panjshir resistance, 4 cobra helicopters, mine clearing team and other support staff also included.

Still Panjshir resisted the foreign invasion and stood their ground. Kudos !

Light up the LoC. Make it red hot. Pakiyon ko darr lagna chahiye.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Vayuputra]

Light up the LoC. Make it red hot. Pakiyon ko darr lagna chahiye.

It's against principle of our army , when we agreed for ceasefire , we must obey it at any cost, it's other think that Pakis can violate ceasefire at their will but we holding our tradition of abiding rules must not violate ceasefire. jai hind

 

[Jimih]

Lumber 1 lSl cheap of staff reaches Kabul
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He is invited there for the ceremony.

 

[Kumata]

It's against principle of our army , when we agreed for ceasefire , we must obey it at any cost, it's other think that Pakis can violate ceasefire at their will but we holding our tradition of abiding rules must not violate ceasefire. jai hind

agreements & Traditions are held by cowards these days .. it is this chiyapa that hurts us most... be it monkeys or porkis....

Our interests should be supreme....nothing else!!!!!!

 

[Jimih]

India Russia again coming closer

PM Modi announces India will help Russia turn Arctic seas into global trade route

In other words, no need for a Chinese BRI

PM Modi announces India will help Russia turn Arctic seas into global trade route

PM Modi announces India will help Russia turn Arctic seas into global trade route

www.rt.com

 

[Jimih]

I would like to extend an invitation for the Governors of 11 regions of the Russian Far-East to visit India at the earliest- PM Modi

India, Russia ties have stood test of time: PM Modi at Eastern Economic Forum

PM Modi said in his address to the Eastern Economic Forum said the energy partnership between India and Russia can help bring stability to the global energy market.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Waanar]

I read about it in a book you suggested probably " the Soviet afgan war " how a super power fought and lost by theodore c matxis

Never read that one. I had suggested "The Bear went over the mountain" and "The other side of the Mountain".
Same writer wrote the book you mentioned but I'll be honest, I haven't read it.

You have now piqued my interest.

Guess what I'm doing tonight? >: D

BTW, lookie what I found.

DTIC ADA470066: Breaking Contact without Leaving Chaos: The Soviet Withdrawal from Afghanistan : Defense Technical Information Center : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

There is a literature and a common perception that the Soviets were defeated and driven from Afghanistan. This is not true. When the Soviets left Afghanistan...

archive.org

Surprising. This is a document from 2007. US knew how it should be done but they still fucked it up.
Either that or the chaotic withdrawal is deliberate.
After all, a chaotic AFG isn't just troublesome for China and Russia but wouldn't hurt the US in the least, unlike the predicament of USSR.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Never read that one. I had suggested "The Bear went over the mountain" and "The other side of the Mountain".
Same writer wrote the book you mentioned but I'll be honest, I haven't read it.

You have now piqued my interest.

Guess what I'm doing tonight? >: D

BTW, lookie what I found.

DTIC ADA470066: Breaking Contact without Leaving Chaos: The Soviet Withdrawal from Afghanistan : Defense Technical Information Center : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

There is a literature and a common perception that the Soviets were defeated and driven from Afghanistan. This is not true. When the Soviets left Afghanistan...

archive.org

Surprising. This is a document from 2007. US knew how it should be done but they still fucked it up.
Either that or the chaotic withdrawal is deliberate.
After all, a chaotic AFG isn't just troublesome for China and Russia but wouldn't hurt the US in the least, unlike the predicament of USSR.

It was deliberate.
Basically i typed the book you suggested on a app and the option came up of the book which I said earlier
Its a translation probably.

 

[ezsasa]

Was watching a TRT world news ground report from military side of Kabul airbase immediately after last murican flight left flew out. one English speaking taliban soldier after showing the inventory left by muricans, towards the end of the news report was complaining that muricans poisoned their vehicles before they left, which is odd in the first place because taliban can been seen using humvees in other news reports.

Taliban literally got some of the “best” military equipment from muricans than most countries have and yet the Taliban guy was demonstrating victimhood complex.

If we take a step back and look at larger scheme of things, muricans either intentionally or by coincidence didn’t follow a scorched earth policy before their withdrawal which is what invading armies do before retreat. Which means taliban literally got every public asset intact. if it was the case that muricans followed scorched earth policy, afghans might have given benefit of doubt and forgive if they are not able to provide essential public services.

Now taliban have no excuse not to provide public services, and Give excuses for years of rebuilding or transition.

 

[Waanar]

Was watching a TRT world news ground report from military side of Kabul airbase immediately after last murican flight left flew out. one English speaking taliban soldier after showing the inventory left by muricans, towards the end of the news report was complaining that muricans poisoned their vehicles before they left, which is odd in the first place because taliban can been seen using humvees in other news reports.

Taliban literally got some of the “best” military equipment from muricans than most countries have and yet the Taliban guy was demonstrating victimhood complex.

If we take a step back and look at larger scheme of things, muricans either intentionally or by coincidence didn’t follow a scorched earth policy before their withdrawal which is what invading armies do before retreat. Which means taliban literally got every public asset intact. if it was the case that muricans followed scorched earth policy, afghans might have given benefit of doubt and forgive if they are not able to provide essential public services.

Now taliban have no excuse not to provide public services, and Give excuses for years of rebuilding or transition.

I've heard rumors that every piece of equipment left behind had one specific part removed, so, for example, ARs having all their cam pins removed, Cars have their carburettor removed etc etc (not sure exactly which parts but you get the gist).


This renders those equipments unusable and you can't even cannibalize another weapon or vehicle because ALL have the same part removed.

Quite the conundrum for telebunnies if true.

 

[kaaleshwaar]

I've heard rumors that every piece of equipment left behind had one specific part removed, so, for example, ARs having all their cam pins removed, Cars have their carburettor removed etc etc (not sure exactly which parts but you get the gist).


This renders those equipments unusable and you can't even cannibalize another weapon or vehicle because ALL have the same part removed.

Quite the conundrum for telebunnies if true.

Just have to buy spares of the parts from Batsoups