Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[hit&run]

Posts moved to political gossip thread. May move them to more appropriate thread later on.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

If the americans are actually going to support taliban and peddle isisk bs, we should support NA keeping our National Interest in mind, but we wouldn't because for us, their interest is more important than ours.

 

[abingdonboy]

Leidos carries on support for ex-Afghan aircraft | Shephard

Over-the-horizon maintenance continues for helicopters and turboprop aircraft formerly operated by the Afghan Air Force.

www.shephardmedia.com

Are these for the govt in exile? Don’t think the Taliban will be too happy to learn this

Americans seem to want to play both sides, that never works for them.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

An independent Sikh state carved out of India is in making. Similarly a Hindu rastra must already be on drawing board even if comprises any five states. If the union fails we must be quick, ruthless and strong to deny anyone any advantage. Nothing must be given for free. They can have it if they win. Remember only the strong shall inherit the land. Veer bhogya Vasundhara.

Yes because the Empire of Rome could not save its paganism. The Greeks could not save theirs. Two of the greatest civilizations to ever walk the earth fell like a pack of cards to the faith of the jew without major wars. Still, here we are. And here we are enduring surviving. This is why Dharma has to be imposed on society. Indoozalism is the death of virtue.

DHARMA instructed us to be conquerors. As Arjuna says in the MAHABHAARATAM :

विधानं देव-विहितं तत्र विद्वान् न मुह्यति यथा सृष्टो ऽसि राजेन्द्र तथा भवितुम् अर्हसि

The strong prey upon the weak. The wise are never baffled by this.

कुतस्त्वा कश्मलमिदं विषमे समुपस्थितम् अनार्यजुष्टमस्वर्ग्यमकीर्तिकरमर्जुन।।

From whither hast this lowly weakness crept onto thee at this hour of great reckoning! This inglorious attitude is not worthy of Aryaas nor the heavens.

And no matter what coomers whine the fact is....

 

[Srinivas_K]

Northern Alliance claims 300 Taliban dead, arms and ammunition recovered during the clashes.

 

[Lost user]

Northern Alliance claims 300 Taliban dead, arms and ammunition recovered during the clashes.

Would have loved to see a pile of dead Talibs as proof.. The Afghans exaggerate a lot..

 

[AMCA]

 

[Srinivas_K]

Dostums son also joined the resistance by supporting Panjshir fight against Taliban.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Old video I think.

 

[Jimih]

House Cleaning

Taliban terrorists raided 14 former ANA officers houses in Daikundi, assembled all of them together, opened fire on them & killed them all after they surrendered to them! Amnesty is not in the terrorists’ dictionary they only know revenge and killing!

 

[Jimih]

Taliban admit that there were casualties on both sides of the conflict with Ahmad Massoud’s resistance movement in Panjshir province.

 

[Jimih]

They are expecting not less than 20,000 Taliban fighters

 

[Jimih]

What a Love!

A Pakistani journalist and his love and excitement for being around Taliban.

 

[Jimih]

Taliban is preparing for announcing its government in Kabul in next two days

 

[ezsasa]

A plausible theory that explains the co-operation and co-ordination between the west and sunnis.
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1) Poignant reminder as to how hypocrisy is the inevitable solution to hiding real motives in a way that doesn’t allow others apply the same methods. West achieved what it wanted for Afghanistan and left it exactly as it had always wanted: under totalitarian grasp of mullahcracy.

2)Biden and others may whine that they didn’t want regime change: no they still do and will continue to try and change regimes that don’t suit their long term plans for division of world into zones of socio-economic and military spheres of dominance.

3) what they wanted to change in Afghanistan was prevent modernisation and prevent weakening of the Islamist infrastructure in that fatal blindfold of Atlanticist fratricidal obsession with bringing Russia down (while Russ desperately sought to be European and not Asian).

4)Atlanticist axis primary goal was to strengthen Sunni mullahcracy of AFPAK as an immunisation against Russian overland access to Indian Ocean as well as a natural destabiliser of the entire zone to get countries like India, China keep on spending on appeasing or fighting jihad.

5) note that wherever the west went in the Islam dominated societies struggling with modernisation since WWI, it took the exact sequential and incremental steps to increase power of the Sunni ag Shia -the latter inevitably hv “nationalist”and closet anti-mullah threads, and

6)within the Shia it always took steps to empower the more jihadi and Islamist Shia like Khomeini than the less mullah bootlicker born Shiites. It’s not that west is doing this innocently or it didn’t know the long term effects of what it was doing. It’s very aware ideologically.

7) the west’s think tanks, state and academia, and extensive intel apparatus for intervention in international affairs - all have shown a remarkable consistency in going after what they consider inferior, potentially conquerable, or resistant societies and their ideologies.

8) there has never been any let up in going after Hindus, Communist Russia (not communist China which was seen as fratricidal tool in weakening Russia), Japanese or myanmarese militant Buddhism, but zero tactical or real support for Tibetan Buddhists.

9) Yet with all that ideological understanding, West’s hilarious position that its the “stricter, more austere implementation of the law” or ideology which is “bad and anti humanitarian” even though the “law/ideology is itself good”. In the judiciary worshiping west,

10) will anyone get away unharmed if they say “this judge is a more strict interpreter of the law” “therefore evil/bad/anti-humanitarian”? What does the west expect a believer in the “law” to do if told “the law is very good” but “strict interpretation of that good law” is evil!

11)The west that maintains centuries long ideological crusades to undermine and attack ideologies of peoples& cultures it deems resistant to submitting to the west, also knows that Sunni Islam wont submit to it either yet it puts up that ludicrous defence of the ideology itself.

12) This is simply because there are two factors that blind European imperialist thinking: its modelling of itself as a modern reinvention and extension of the roman narrative of superiority and imperial dominance where subject ppl existed only for the benefit of the “home elite”

13) and a possible latent attraction and admiration for sadomasochism more prominent in both republican and imperial Roman culture, than the Greek, (which was also infamous, just less in public discourse) taste for slavery and enslavement in its grossest perverted forms.

14) In Sunni jihad the west instinctively sees an ideology not explicitly tied to ethnic pride, even if latent, but because of its universalist pretension - a good cover for imperialist claims of superiority and applicability to all for underlying subjugation to a “centre”.

15) Thus Sunni jihad has revived the same hope in the latent “imperial Rome” that another ideology from eastern Mediterranean held out attraction for about 2000 years ago. The problem is the lens through which West reconstructs Sunni jihad is a carefully self-edited Xtian memory.

16) In that Xtian memory, the violence on pagans by which the faith was essentially militarily imposed, is forgotten, or hidden from discourse, the problematic normalisation of slavery and its perversions, the sadism that is retained throughout - has all been sanitized.

17) this makes it easy for those placed in positions of ideological hegemony over western societies - to try and sanitize their project. But the end product is a poisoning of the rest of the world so that it is made unliveable for humanity. This is not a fatalist view.

18) I see it as recognising a problem correctly, which in itself is a great starting point if even a small number recognise it. The solutions will come from it, noting that compromises can be necessary - but only to buy time, without making the compromise a logic to capitulate.

19) Sunni jihad is using the west for its own purposes, just as early Xtian organisers used Roman factionalism and politics within the military - but in the end, it will emasculate or convert the west just as Xtianity did. The first results of that was rollback of Roman Empire.

20)Hindus are uniquely placed, demographically and ideologically to become a source of resistance and an island in an ocean of jihad. They will have to play a super-sophisticated game with China -but there is an opportunity for them here.

 

[abingdonboy]

A plausible theory that explains the co-operation and co-ordination between the west and sunnis.
==========
1) Poignant reminder as to how hypocrisy is the inevitable solution to hiding real motives in a way that doesn’t allow others apply the same methods. West achieved what it wanted for Afghanistan and left it exactly as it had always wanted: under totalitarian grasp of mullahcracy.

2)Biden and others may whine that they didn’t want regime change: no they still do and will continue to try and change regimes that don’t suit their long term plans for division of world into zones of socio-economic and military spheres of dominance.

3) what they wanted to change in Afghanistan was prevent modernisation and prevent weakening of the Islamist infrastructure in that fatal blindfold of Atlanticist fratricidal obsession with bringing Russia down (while Russ desperately sought to be European and not Asian).

4)Atlanticist axis primary goal was to strengthen Sunni mullahcracy of AFPAK as an immunisation against Russian overland access to Indian Ocean as well as a natural destabiliser of the entire zone to get countries like India, China keep on spending on appeasing or fighting jihad.

5) note that wherever the west went in the Islam dominated societies struggling with modernisation since WWI, it took the exact sequential and incremental steps to increase power of the Sunni ag Shia -the latter inevitably hv “nationalist”and closet anti-mullah threads, and

6)within the Shia it always took steps to empower the more jihadi and Islamist Shia like Khomeini than the less mullah bootlicker born Shiites. It’s not that west is doing this innocently or it didn’t know the long term effects of what it was doing. It’s very aware ideologically.

7) the west’s think tanks, state and academia, and extensive intel apparatus for intervention in international affairs - all have shown a remarkable consistency in going after what they consider inferior, potentially conquerable, or resistant societies and their ideologies.

8) there has never been any let up in going after Hindus, Communist Russia (not communist China which was seen as fratricidal tool in weakening Russia), Japanese or myanmarese militant Buddhism, but zero tactical or real support for Tibetan Buddhists.

9) Yet with all that ideological understanding, West’s hilarious position that its the “stricter, more austere implementation of the law” or ideology which is “bad and anti humanitarian” even though the “law/ideology is itself good”. In the judiciary worshiping west,

10) will anyone get away unharmed if they say “this judge is a more strict interpreter of the law” “therefore evil/bad/anti-humanitarian”? What does the west expect a believer in the “law” to do if told “the law is very good” but “strict interpretation of that good law” is evil!

11)The west that maintains centuries long ideological crusades to undermine and attack ideologies of peoples& cultures it deems resistant to submitting to the west, also knows that Sunni Islam wont submit to it either yet it puts up that ludicrous defence of the ideology itself.

12) This is simply because there are two factors that blind European imperialist thinking: its modelling of itself as a modern reinvention and extension of the roman narrative of superiority and imperial dominance where subject ppl existed only for the benefit of the “home elite”

13) and a possible latent attraction and admiration for sadomasochism more prominent in both republican and imperial Roman culture, than the Greek, (which was also infamous, just less in public discourse) taste for slavery and enslavement in its grossest perverted forms.

14) In Sunni jihad the west instinctively sees an ideology not explicitly tied to ethnic pride, even if latent, but because of its universalist pretension - a good cover for imperialist claims of superiority and applicability to all for underlying subjugation to a “centre”.

15) Thus Sunni jihad has revived the same hope in the latent “imperial Rome” that another ideology from eastern Mediterranean held out attraction for about 2000 years ago. The problem is the lens through which West reconstructs Sunni jihad is a carefully self-edited Xtian memory.

16) In that Xtian memory, the violence on pagans by which the faith was essentially militarily imposed, is forgotten, or hidden from discourse, the problematic normalisation of slavery and its perversions, the sadism that is retained throughout - has all been sanitized.

17) this makes it easy for those placed in positions of ideological hegemony over western societies - to try and sanitize their project. But the end product is a poisoning of the rest of the world so that it is made unliveable for humanity. This is not a fatalist view.

18) I see it as recognising a problem correctly, which in itself is a great starting point if even a small number recognise it. The solutions will come from it, noting that compromises can be necessary - but only to buy time, without making the compromise a logic to capitulate.

19) Sunni jihad is using the west for its own purposes, just as early Xtian organisers used Roman factionalism and politics within the military - but in the end, it will emasculate or convert the west just as Xtianity did. The first results of that was rollback of Roman Empire.

20)Hindus are uniquely placed, demographically and ideologically to become a source of resistance and an island in an ocean of jihad. They will have to play a super-sophisticated game with China -but there is an opportunity for them here.

Am I the only one that thinks that this is a different situation to Taliban 1.0? I think in a few weeks all major powers will recognise the Taliban govt and India will follow soon after

I seriously doubt India will be doing anything to support NA materially.

I also think the way things are shaping up Pakistan will soon the the doe eyed child again as the US/west needs pakis on their side to ‘police’ the Taliban and to use their soil to keep an eye on ISIS-K and AQ.

 

[Srinivas_K]

They are expecting not less than 20,000 Taliban fighters

Taliban must be joking when they gave 4 hour ultimatum to the resistance. Or they may be under pakjabis influence of boasting everything and then surrendering later.

 

[Waanar]

They are expecting not less than 20,000 Taliban fighters

20000 is a good fraction of the entirety of Taliban.
Rough estimates put their cadre around 75000

 

[Detective Pennington]

20000 is a good fraction of the entirety of Taliban.
Rough estimates put their cadre around 75000

yeah but they always recruit a shitton more, that's the problem. US could have easily wiped out 75k, but you have to wage total war to get rid of all 10 million or so Afghan Pashtuns + millions of Pork Pashtuns. Russia and China can do stuff like that, not really the US (not due to lack of ability, but hooman rights and etc.)

 

[Srinivas_K]

yeah but they always recruit a shitton more, that's the problem. US could have easily wiped out 75k, but you have to wage total war to get rid of all 10 million or so Afghan Pashtuns + millions of Pork Pashtuns. Russia and China can do stuff like that, not really the US (not due to lack of ability, but hooman rights and etc.)

It takes atleast 5 to 10 years to raise an army, there are multiple options to cutdown the Taliban movement but USA chose to not to.

The radical groups can raise numerous militants but then again if the interests of each group pitch in the the entire region will become another Iraq or Syria. Decades of civil war.