Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[FalconSlayers]

“As per sources, the attacks were launched from a nearby Indian Consulate in Afghanistan by most wanted Colonel R&AWjesh Sharma and Major Mossad Naftali in a Hindoo-Yahoodi joint operation on Army of Pure, Bajwa’s legs reportedly shaking, yet again”

 

[Mangal]

Hmm.

These all groups are meaning less with recent developments in Afg. We have been betrayed. Though I assume India must have been given some info about what's going to happen in Afg related to Taliban takeover so that we are able to evacuvate our diplomats and citizens safely.
We say to the world that we are stakeholders and definitely we are. Whatever happens in Afg. is going to have impact on India. India should have it's own independent policy keeping it's own intrest in mind. We have the tech to carry out precision attacks. The old carrot and stick Policy will definitely work with talibanis if in case we are unable to save the Restistance fighter.They understand that language very well.
Bhay bin hoye naa preet.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[ezsasa]

According to what I read on Wiki, when the population was sounded out by Gallup 10 years ago, less than half the population wanted Balochistan to secede from Pakistan. Has that sentiment changed?

To contextualise your question.

-In past 50 years Pakistani state has pushed so many non natives into Balochistan including mullahs to enforce a demography change
-no outsider can go into Balochistan without permission from Pakistani state read Pakistani army.
-if it is for NGO activities, there is always a pak army or FC minder present with guns under the guise of providing security.

Under the circumstances can a “poll” be accurate

And lastly sir Humphrey’s opinion on opinion polls.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Hmm.

US jiski vajah se yeh sab hua, usse kya baat karenge?

 

[Spitfire9]

Yes we should respect them because they open fired on civilians which were just trying to get out and killed multiple people off course this is under wraps by American Deep state..

Evidence of US troops firing on civilians? Of course, in the absence of such, you can conveniently ascribe that to the American Deep state. I don't know if troops shot civilians or not but I don't resort to conspiracy theory to justify my ingrained hatred. Evidence, please.

 

[jackprince]

These all groups are meaning less with recent developments in Afg. We have been betrayed. Though I assume India must have been given some info about what's going to happen in Afg related to Taliban takeover so that we are able to evacuvate our diplomats and citizens safely.
We say to the world that we are stakeholders and definitely we are. Whatever happens in Afg. is going to have impact on India. India should have it's own independent policy keeping it's own intrest in mind. We have the tech to carry out precision attacks. The old carrot and stick Policy will definitely work with talibanis if in case we are unable to save the Restistance fighter.They understand that language very well.
Bhay bin hoye naa preet.

To be frank, we should soften our stance about Talibs. It is unlikely that NA would survive given the enormous amount of military resources the Talibs have gained in the fiasco created by US. Even if it does survive in Panjshir valley which literally is cut off from outside, it is unlikely it can ever be successful in toppling the Talibs or whatever new avatar the Talibs take in future.

We should not make an outright enemy of Talibans and try to build over the overtures made by Talibs towards India.

May be we should wait a bit to carefully watch the development in Afghanistan for now. But, given the posture taken by USA and its allies and even Russkies and Chinese over the issues in Afghanistan now, it is more likely that they would come up with some cohabitation with Talibs. So why should India care if Talibs are barbarians? It is not that we have anything to lose by making positive gestures towards Talibs.

 

[Spitfire9]

To contextualise your question.

-In past 50 years Pakistani state has pushed so many non natives into Balochistan including mullahs to enforce a demography change
-no outsider can go into Balochistan without permission from Pakistani state read Pakistani army.
-if it is for NGO activities, there is always a pak army or FC minder present with guns under the guise of providing security.

Under the circumstances can a “poll” be accurate

And lastly sir Humphrey’s opinion on opinion polls.

I accept that demographic manipulation is practised.

Don't know how you found the video but very amusing. And some grains of truth therein.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

Evidence of US troops firing on civilians? Of course, in the absence of such, you can conveniently ascribe that to the American Deep state. I don't know if troops shot civilians or not but I don't resort to conspiracy theory to justify my ingrained hatred. Evidence, please.

Repeating Pentagon claims, the New York Times described the attack thus:

"At 5:48 p.m., the bomber, wearing a 25-pound explosive vest under clothing, walked up to the group of Americans who were frisking people hoping to enter the complex. He waited, officials said, until just before he was about to be searched by the American troops. And then he detonated the bomb, which was unusually large for a suicide vest, killing himself and igniting an attack that would leave dozens of people dead, including 13 American service members."

If the suicide bomber was so close to the inner perimeter checkpoint manned by U.S. forces why were so many Taliban, who manned checkpoints at the outer perimeter, killed in the incident?

The Times wrote:

"Just after the bomb went off, Defense Department officials said, fighters nearby began firing weapons. The officials said that some of the Americans and Afghans at Abbey Gate might have been hit by that gunfire."

What fighters nearby?

The BBC correspondent in Kabul has asked people who were there:

Our report from last night on the awful ISIS attack outside Kabul airport as families still search Kabul's morgues for their loved ones..

Many we spoke to, including eyewitnesses, said significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast

The correspondent talks to the brother of a London taxi driver who was in Kabul to fetch his family:

A: "Somehow I saw American soldiers, Turkish soldiers and the fire was coming from the bridges, from the towers."
Q: "From the soldiers?"
A: "Yeah, from the soldiers."

(Side note: Some of the towers around the airport were reportedly manned by members of the CIA's Afghan death squads.)

Another witness:

Narrator: "Noor Mohamed had been deployed alongside American forces."

A man holding up an identity card of a friend talks about his death in English.

A: "The guy has served U.S. army for years. And the reason he lost his life - he wasn't killed by Taliban, he wasn't killed by ISIS, he was (unintelligible)."
Q: "How can you be sure?"
A: "Because of the bullet. The bullet went inside of his head. Right here." (Points to the back of his head.) "He doesn't have any (other) injury."

The Pentagon did not respond to the BBC's request for comments.

Yeah, nothing fishy here at all......

 

[ezsasa]

Evidence of US troops firing on civilians? Of course, in the absence of such, you can conveniently ascribe that to the American Deep state. I don't know if troops shot civilians or not but I don't resort to conspiracy theory to justify my ingrained hatred. Evidence, please.

@nWo 4 Life

it gets worse, in a BBC video on air yesterday a witness said to a BBC correspondent that the gunfire came for a tower manned by British soldiers.

BBC correspondent who did the interview was Secunder Kermani.

obviously I can’t find that video now.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

it gets worse, in a BBC video on air yesterday a witness said to a BBC correspondent that the gunfire came for a tower manned by British soldiers.

BBC correspondent who did the interview was Secunder Kermani.

obviously I can’t find that video now.

Is this it?

 

[ezsasa]

Is this it?

yup, this is the one. thanks.

 

[ezsasa]

Dust has not even settled in AFG, already investments are being made to control the future narrative outcomes.

do we even stand a chance against such high level of advance planning!!!
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Asking a “protect LGBTQIA+ afghans” protester about the Taliban planning to enforce a sharia law that will infringe on their rights..

A onlooker insists my use of sharia law is islamophobic

After the interview this dude comes up to me asking where I’m from, I said the US, he then kept asking where my parents are from, I say Israel and he mocks me: “where? That doesn’t exist.”

To make this a lil bittersweet I kinda appreciate being recognized as a Jew bc some of my fam thinks I don’t look it. I think I look obviously like a jewish Babylonian prince

 

[Longewala]

They were evil genocidal white supremecists. Don't know my history well enough to know that they also tried to establish an ethnostate to preserve the culture of their people but I think that is near the mark.

Sorry off topic but can't resist in this case, because how ludicrously funny it is that:
A. Pretty much all the victims of the so called "white supremacist" Nazis were.... White
B. The Nazi, leader, murderous behaviour, books, concept of "untermenschen"...
Are pretty much identical to islam in India.
Yet the Western Lefties who can't stop pointing out Nazism as "white supremacist" also can't stop defending islam

 

[Mangal]

To be frank, we should soften our stance about Talibs. It is unlikely that NA would survive given the enormous amount of military resources the Talibs have gained in the fiasco created by US. Even if it does survive in Panjshir valley which literally is cut off from outside, it is unlikely it can ever be successful in toppling the Talibs or whatever new avatar the Talibs take in future.

We should not make an outright enemy of Talibans and try to build over the overtures made by Talibs towards India.

May be we should wait a bit to carefully watch the development in Afghanistan for now. But, given the posture taken by USA and its allies and even Russkies and Chinese over the issues in Afghanistan now, it is more likely that they would come up with some cohabitation with Talibs. So why should India care if Talibs are barbarians? It is not that we have anything to lose by making positive gestures towards Talibs.

That would give them legitimacy. Right now that's what they want. That's the whole good Taliban gimmick is all about. Legitimizing them right now would be similar to legitimisation of China's takeover of Tibet. In the long run it's gone cost us and our future generations will have to suffer.
Remember, Taliban did a military takeover.. It's not the popular elected government. NA or resistance would still find support. WE SHOULD NOT DEAL WITH TERRORISTS.

 

[jackprince]

That would give them legitimacy. Right now that's what they want. That's the whole good Taliban gimmick is all about. Legitimizing them right now would be similar to legitimisation of China's takeover of Tibet. In the long run it's gone cost us and our future generations will have to suffer.
Remember, Taliban did a military takeover.. It's not the popular elected government. NA or resistance would still find support. WE SHOULD NOT DEAL WITH TERRORISTS.

USA, Russia and China are going to legitimise them anyways. There's hardly any point for India to sulk at the corner.

 

[Spitfire9]

Your being 1/8 American, doesn't give you any immunity from being criticised. It is not as if Yanks create memorial shrines in their boards for the lives of Indian servicemen lost regularly due to the action of US'es friend Pakistan.

I have not asked for US to be exempt from criticism, have I? I have asked for respect to be shown to soldiers who died doing a soldier's job.

Btw, how the fck can one be 1/8 American? When did Americans became an ethnic group?

Irish grandmother born in US.

I think that most Americans are nationalists, like most people posting here.

What does it matter if Americans are an ethnic group or not? I suppose that would prevent some Americans going for the Ubermensch/Untermensch view of their compatriots based on race/ethnicity. Funny, isn't it, that such people always place their own race/ethnicity in the Uber- rather than the Unter- category.

 

[Mangal]

USA, Russia and China are going to legitimise them anyways. There's hardly any point for India to sulk at the corner.

That's why I am saying. India needs to have an Independent policy.Stop looking at US Russia or the XYZ group. Russia and US don't have borders with a country like Pakistan and an active insurgency like Kashmir. China is the one who is the player. So..and I say it again...We need to have an independent policy. One that keeps our long term intrests in mind. Backed up by military (tech based and not ground) muscle.

 

[ezsasa]

Sorry off topic but can't resist in this case, because how ludicrously funny it is that:
A. Pretty much all the victims of the so called "white supremacist" Nazis were.... White
B. The Nazi, leader, murderous behaviour, books, concept of "untermenschen"...
Are pretty much identical to islam in India.
Yet the Western Lefties who can't stop pointing out Nazism as "white supremacist" also can't stop defending islam

@Spitfire9
from a Indian point of view this is easy to explain, they don’t see Islam is a threat to their way of life atleast not in the same way we do. In their case ignorance is indeed bliss.

for ex: this is from 1761 after third battle of Panipat. if they had such incidents recorded in their history books, would they behave like they do today? I would argue they would not.

 

[jackprince]

That's why I am saying. India needs to have an Independent policy.Stop looking at US Russia or the XYZ group. Russia and US don't have borders with a country like Pakistan and an active insurgency like Kashmir. China is the one who is the player. So..and I say it again...We need to have an independent policy. One that keeps our long term intrests in mind. Backed up by military (tech based and not ground) muscle.

I didn't say that we need to tow the line set by those countries. I said that India should not get bogged down by some idealistic approach whereby we alienate Talibs at the time when they are going to achieve legitimacy anyways. What does India gain by proclaiming Taliban illegitimate when whole bloody world is going to recognise their legitimacy?

Independent approach doesn't mean you are to remain divorced from the reality in the ground. Independent approach means finding what benefits India more. When dealing with foreign nations, it is stupid to be limited by some idea of proper behaviour of the ruling class to its own people.

If Talibs tomorrow starts massacre of its own people and global powers chooses to look other way, unless India chooses to directly intervene, why should India not also look the other way?

If we can keep the talibans from sending thousands of mujaheeds to Kashmir through diplomatic process, we should do that.