Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[nWo 4 Life]

It's not abt rank n file or starred officer of Army. The armed forces in democracies follow the signature on dotted line by the executive. Politician+executive+army man can happen only in places like Pakistan, Lebanon (Gaddafi), China.

No, the American generals deserve a lot of the blame for this disaster. They lied and manipulated facts for years which led to this situation today, otherwise the war might have ended years back.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

The principal reason why Afghanistan had remained unstable for the past 200 years is its landlocked territorial nature, which had forced it (ever since its founding in 1747) to be accorded the status of a ‘predatory state’ that periodically launched wars of aggression for the sake of plundering India, and using spoils to create temporary bonded tribal alliances. More than three-quarters of its revenues at that time came from looting India. However, this way of living could not be sustained beyond 100 years.

During the 20 years of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan’s government rule, the food shortages were mainly resolved by international aid, and most of the international aid came from the US, Europe and India. Now, the situation facing Afghanistan is that the uncertain risk of domestic food production that has risen sharply due to the regime change. Since last year, food prices in the international market and the domestic market of developing countries have soared, while existing international aid has been substantially reduced, especially in the US, Europe, and India. Aid may not be restored in the foreseeable future. Some Gulf Cooperation Council member-countries may provide partial assistance, but it is difficult to expect them to fill all the gaps in aid cut off by the US, Europe and India.

Some people are hoping for the mineral resources of Afghanistan to be commercially exploited, it will take at least a decade for the required road/rail transportation networks to be built for the sake of ferrying the exploited minerals. And given the sky-high transportation costs, people should not expect too much.

Looking at it from a broader background, claims that Afghanistan is at ‘civilised crossroads’ and how important it is to China’s ‘Belt and Road Initiative’ are just illusions behind closed doors. In fact, since the great geographical discovery at the end of the 15th century led to the great shift in international seaborne trade routes, Afghanistan has been completely marginalised in the international trading system. The increasingly closed, regressive, and accelerated tribalisation of Afghan society is largely due to this. The development of modern rail/air/sea transportation technologies has not changed the trend of Afghanistan’s marginalisation in the international trading system. On the contrary, it is exacerbating this trend to a considerable extent. Therefore, in terms of economic significance, Afghanistan is insignificant to the ‘Belt and Road Initiative’.

 

[Jimih]

It's not abt rank n file or starred officer of Army. The armed forces in democracies follow the signature on dotted line by the executive. Politician+executive+army man can happen only in places like Pakistan, Lebanon (Gaddafi), China.

You dont seem to understand the nitty gritty and the nexus. Nothing happens in the top without the contribution from the bottom. One single pedal will not drive the wheel of the bicycle, both should work in Tandem.

If USA has tied hands with the Talis it automatically means that the Military is also in board with the Executive.

US Foreign Policy always remains constant, executives comes and go.

 

[Dessert Storm]

No, the American generals deserve a lot of the blame for this disaster. They lied and manipulated facts for years which led to this situation today, otherwise the war might have ended years back.

The reaction was to a specific comment so kindly don't connect it to something else. Armies don't contradict the executive in a democracy. Period.
Lies, manipulation, false-flag, abandon, chicken-out, my friend....bla bla bla r all tools of geo-politics n international diplomacy. The sooner you understand the better. And pls don't get emotional about the issue as it clouds judgement.
Don't you think that "ending the war" was not the objective then and is not the objective now.

 

[Dessert Storm]

You dont seem to understand the nitty gritty and the nexus. Nothing happens in the top without the contribution from the bottom. One single pedal will not drive the wheel of the bicycle, both should work in Tandem.

If USA has tied hands with the Talis it automatically means that the Military is also in board with the Executive.

US Foreign Policy always remains constant, executives comes and go.

Dear. Go back n read the chain. Now you are saying exactly what I was saying. You started off with subscribing to the Stockholm syndrome of US Army.

 

[Lost user]

Apparantly yes. But given that US govt has signed a deal with Talis, do the armed forces have an option to call em otherwise. That's how democracy works. The US armed forces are just towing the line of their executive. Don't blame the army for that.

There is a huge difference between Signing a deal with an enemy ( Taliban) .. and having to depend on the former enemy as your current Guardian..
But, given the untenable position that US forces and citizens are in Kabul.. they don't have much leeway

 

[nWo 4 Life]

The reaction was to a specific comment so kindly don't connect it to something else. Armies don't contradict the executive in a democracy. Period.
Lies, manipulation, false-flag, abandon, chicken-out, my friend....bla bla bla r all tools of geo-politics n international diplomacy. The sooner you understand the better. And pls don't get emotional about the issue as it clouds judgement.
Don't you think that "ending the war" was not the objective then and is not the objective now.

I don't know what you are talking about. But you should read up on the Afghanistan papers and the Afghan War Diary. It's not a question of contradicting the executive. It's a question of lying not just to the government, but to the public at large, telling them that they are very close to victory and they haven't lost anything and that the war was going good. When in fact there was a high number of American casulties.

If the public knew about it, outrage against the war would have reached new heights and it would have become politically infeasible to continue the war.

The point here is not about executive contradicting army or army contradicting the executive, but Army generals who lied to the public at large about the state of the war.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

There is a huge difference between Signing a deal with an enemy ( Taliban) .. and having to depend on the former enemy as your current Guardian..
But, given the untenable position that US forces and citizens are in Kabul.. they don't have much leeway

The Trump administration had troop levels down to 2,500 by the time he left office pursuant to the deal. Then Biden started namby-pambying about how three months wasn't long enough to withdraw the remaining troops, reneged on the deal (it wasn't a treaty) and extended the deadline.

Likely the generals and such did everything they could to slow down the withdrawal. The hope was that there would be an incident to rationalize continuing the occupation. They did the same thing to Trump on Syria. Trump also failed to stick to his pledges to leave.

One can dream that someday a POTUS would have the will power to fire most of the generals as well as the bulk of the intelligence agencies.

 

[Dessert Storm]

I don't know what you are talking about. But you should read up on the Afghanistan papers and the Afghan War Diary. It's not a question of contradicting the executive. It's a question of lying not just to the government, but to the public at large, telling them that they are very close to victory and they haven't lost anything and that the war was going good. When in fact there was a high number of American casulties.

If the public knew about it, outrage against the war would have reached new heights and it would have become politically infeasible to continue the war.

The point here is not about executive contradicting army or army contradicting the executive, but Army generals who lied to the public at large about the state of the war.

Then be kind enough to find out what I am talking abt. Thanks for engaging

 

[Lost user]

The reaction was to a specific comment so kindly don't connect it to something else. Armies don't contradict the executive in a democracy. Period.
Lies, manipulation, false-flag, abandon, chicken-out, my friend....bla bla bla r all tools of geo-politics n international diplomacy. The sooner you understand the better. And pls don't get emotional about the issue as it clouds judgement.
Don't you think that "ending the war" was not the objective then and is not the objective now.

America never chose the current predicament/humiliation it is in w.r.t Afghan evacuation.. US would have loved to get its citizens out of Afghanistan before the fall of Kabul.. That it was not able to, is a testament to American incompetence..

 

[nWo 4 Life]

Then be kind enough to find out what I am talking abt. Thanks for engaging

Yeah sure.

 

[hit&run]

Death of any Soldier is mourned and paid respect on this forum.

Obviously, we don’t extend this respect to a specific army of rapists and surrender monkeys who stand in hiding on borders to let terrorist breach neighbour’s fences to unleash terror on our defenceless civilians including children. Not to mention this change came with a lot of resistance and internal churning but became normal when the otherside refused to talk sense. Yes, we never lose our sense and composure even in animosity and war. Our soldering is respected world over and we have given a lot of gracious and brave soldiers to UN who have set the bar high and proven their bravery in many overseas missions.

The freedom of expression and frustration on certain oddities is allowed but if any members who is itching to disrespect dead solders must take it as a warning of high demerit points without any second chance provided.

 

[Dessert Storm]

America never chose the current predicament/humiliation it is in w.r.t Afghan evacuation.. US would have loved to get its citizens out of Afghanistan before the fall of Kabul.. That it was not able to, is a testament to American incompetence..

To incompetece I agree, but to rest of it..... wake up

 

[Jimih]

The Trump administration had troop levels down to 2,500 by the time he left office pursuant to the deal. Then Biden started namby-pambying about how three months wasn't long enough to withdraw the remaining troops, reneged on the deal (it wasn't a treaty) and extended the deadline.

Likely the generals and such did everything they could to slow down the withdrawal. The hope was that there would be an incident to rationalize continuing the occupation. They did the same thing to Trump on Syria. Trump also failed to stick to his pledges to leave.

One can dream that someday a POTUS would have the will power to fire most of the generals as well as the bulk of the intelligence agencies.

This kind of embarrasement would not happened if Trump was in power ( again not a Trump or Biden supporter ). He kept everyone in tight leash.

In 4 years of Trump we didnt see this kind of shit.

Trump did tried to leave but Gen. Milley came in between with his in-subordinate actions.

In Biden admin everyone got replaced except this woke General.

 

[Lost user]

To incompetece I agree, but to rest of it..... wake up

It is very easy to rationalize pretty much anything that America does..
Scenario 1: Taliban unites all of Afghanistan, and rules it in a stable manner.. Fanboys of Uncle Sam, will say that .. everything that happened pointed to the fact, that US wanted Taliban to rule Afghanistan, starting with the release of Baradar..

Scenario 2: Afghanistan collapses.. There is hyper inflation and starvation. and various Afghan Taliban factions fight each other, and the whole region blows up.. Uncle Sam fanboys be like : This was all part of Uncle Sam's Master plan to destabilize Central Asia and Southern Russia..

The fact is that US being a world away has a lot of maneuverability.. and is able to limit the damage to itself, from a clusterf**k of its own doing. This makes people feel, that it was part of some overarching generational plan of the US Deep State..

Note: US fanboys fantasize that Uncle Sam is smoking a Cigar in the above pic.
The reality is that it is Pakistan di*k in Uncle Sam's mouth..

 

[Suhaldev]

US Marines are the ones who are pushing back heavily against the Mandatory Vaccination out of 4 Branches.

Did you read Vice Magazine's tweet yesterday? They compared US Marines with the Neo-Nazis.

Somethings not right here really.

Here is the deleted tweet

The principal reason why Afghanistan had remained unstable for the past 200 years is its landlocked territorial nature, which had forced it (ever since its founding in 1747) to be accorded the status of a ‘predatory state’ that periodically launched wars of aggression for the sake of plundering India, and using spoils to create temporary bonded tribal alliances. More than three-quarters of its revenues at that time came from looting India. However, this way of living could not be sustained beyond 100 years.

During the 20 years of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan’s government rule, the food shortages were mainly resolved by international aid, and most of the international aid came from the US, Europe and India. Now, the situation facing Afghanistan is that the uncertain risk of domestic food production that has risen sharply due to the regime change. Since last year, food prices in the international market and the domestic market of developing countries have soared, while existing international aid has been substantially reduced, especially in the US, Europe, and India. Aid may not be restored in the foreseeable future. Some Gulf Cooperation Council member-countries may provide partial assistance, but it is difficult to expect them to fill all the gaps in aid cut off by the US, Europe and India.

Some people are hoping for the mineral resources of Afghanistan to be commercially exploited, it will take at least a decade for the required road/rail transportation networks to be built for the sake of ferrying the exploited minerals. And given the sky-high transportation costs, people should not expect too much.

Looking at it from a broader background, claims that Afghanistan is at ‘civilised crossroads’ and how important it is to China’s ‘Belt and Road Initiative’ are just illusions behind closed doors. In fact, since the great geographical discovery at the end of the 15th century led to the great shift in international seaborne trade routes, Afghanistan has been completely marginalised in the international trading system. The increasingly closed, regressive, and accelerated tribalisation of Afghan society is largely due to this. The development of modern rail/air/sea transportation technologies has not changed the trend of Afghanistan’s marginalisation in the international trading system. On the contrary, it is exacerbating this trend to a considerable extent. Therefore, in terms of economic significance, Afghanistan is insignificant to the ‘Belt and Road Initiative’.

From what's app university

Shakuni from mahabharat was from Afghanistan, draupadi after cheer haran cursed him, that people of your land be never live a peaceful and prosperous life.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Indian govt is now trolling the False Flag Operation allegations jumla

Their timeline is filled with it, Indian embassy in Turkey is ahead in IW than IA.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Death of any Soldier is mourned and paid respect on this forum.

Obviously, we don’t extend this respect to a specific army of rapists and surrender monkeys who stand in hiding on borders to let terrorist breach neighbour’s fences and unleash terror on our defenceless civilians including children. Not to mention this change came with a lot of resistance and internal churning but became normal when the otherside refused to talk sense. Yes, we never lose our sense and composure even in animosity and war. Our soldering is respected world over and we have given a lot of gracious and brave soldiers to UN who have set the bar high and proven their bravery in many overseas missions.

The freedom of expression and frustration on certain oddities is allowed but if any members who is itching to disrespect dead solders must take it as a warning of high demerit points without any second chance provided.

 

[Dessert Storm]

It is very easy to rationalize pretty much anything that America does..
Scenario 1: Taliban unites all of Afghanistan, and rules it in a stable manner.. Fanboys of Uncle Sam, will say that .. everything that happened pointed to the fact, that US wanted Taliban to rule Afghanistan, starting with the release of Baradar..

Scenario 2: Afghanistan collapses.. There is hyper inflation and starvation. and various Afghan factions fight each other, and the whole region blows up.. Uncle Sam fanboys be like : This was all part of Uncle Sam's Master plan to destabilize Central Asia and Souther Russia..

The fact is that US being a world away has a lot of maneuverability.. and is able to limit the damage to itself, from a clusterf**k of its own doing. This makes people feel, that it was part of some overarching generational plan of the US Deep State..

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You sound pretty knowledgeable mate. Let that knowledge fuel you intellect and may that intellect not be blinded by an ego which cannot stand an alternate POV/Reality. Good wishes.

 

[Covfefe]

This kind of embarrasement would not happened if Trump was in power ( again not a Trump or Biden supporter ). He kept everyone in tight leash.

In 4 years of Trump we didnt see this kind of shit.

Trump did tried to leave but Gen. Milley came in between with his in-subordinate actions.

In Biden admin everyone got replaced except this woke General.

Trump would have made a bigger mess out of it by staying isolated and letting Chin-Pak-Rus have a free run due to his isolationist stance. Strategically, he just has no vision for the long term.

Just that these end-moment optics would not have been this bad- evacuation and troop pullout would have happened better.