Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

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Even if Taliban somehow manages to fly any jet or helicopter, either with defected ANA pilots or even Pakistani pilots, they will be immediately shot down by NATO.
MAN you just raised a whole new barrage of questions in my head.
Who owns AFG airspace?
Who will own it after NATO leaves?
What about civilian flights or even military ones using it's airspace without Telebunny approval? Will telebunny jets intercept it now lol?

What a mess:pound:
 

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MAN you just raised a whole new barrage of questions in my head.
Who owns AFG airspace?
Who will own it after NATO leaves?
What about civilian flights or even military ones using it's airspace without Telebunny approval? Will telebunny jets intercept it now lol?

What a mess:pound:
During the first taliban rule a russian il76 was forced to land by a talibunny mig21
 

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Many fighter jets were captured .. But whether they have pilots to fly them or nt cant be said .... I have seen 2 videos whr it was claimed talib fighter was flying a helicopter
I don't think they will ever find a pilot to fly them, neither they can ever learn to fly a aircraft.

Plane's don't just do with pilot alone there is maintainace and flight control.
One missing part will cause the entire thing to shutdown.
Any attempt at flying will prove Darwin's theory.
 

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Russians had MI24 , tanks , APC still cld nt take panjsir . It looks like a bluff . Its all abt will to fight ..
No point of these weapons if they are hiding among civilians and regrouping to attack.
How long are u going to bomb small insignificant targets.
Only a militia can fight another Militia.
 

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Even if Taliban somehow manages to fly any jet or helicopter, either with defected ANA pilots or even Pakistani pilots, they will be immediately shot down by NATO.
I thought NATO was no longer engaged militarily or is it just ground forces?
 

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MAN you just raised a whole new barrage of questions in my head.
Who owns AFG airspace?
Who will own it after NATO leaves?
What about civilian flights or even military ones using it's airspace without Telebunny approval? Will telebunny jets intercept it now lol?

What a mess:pound:
1.sovereign government of afganistan , not Taliban
2.its owned by nato nations and only lent to afganistan, it will be shot down.
3.i doubt they care about civilian flights in the long run
 

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Russians had MI24 , tanks , APC still cld nt take panjsir . It looks like a bluff . Its all abt will to fight ..
Wrong they entered Panjshir controlled it also, but the resistance just left.
Russians after some time withdrew and the afghans came back. Just like most of the time, the engagement was hit and run tactics.
PS: I encourage everyone to read Lester Grau trilogy on this war, it's fantastic.
 

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Wrong they entered Panjshir controlled it also, but the resistance just left.
Russians after some time withdrew and the afghans came back. Just like most of the time, the engagement was hit and run tactics.
PS: I encourage everyone to read Lester Grau trilogy on this war, it's fantastic.
Read two on Afghan war and one on the Chechnyan one. Will read Anaconda later.

Very well written. And the best part?
MAPS!
They help so much with understanding and visualising what happened and how.
Dare I say, the Russian format of map debrief is a thousand times simpler than the American one. Icons make a lot more sense too.
Surprised me how long the mooj were able to fight on a conventional footing in Chechnya though.

I'm sorry for veering OT a bit, but I absolutely LOVE Grau's method of writing and use of vignettes.

No better book to understand how those cunts fight.
Am also glad another DFIan found it similarly endearing. I thought I was the only one who thought it made sense.

Cheers brah :truestory:
 
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Read two on Afghan war and one on the Chechnyan one. Will read Anaconda later.

Very well written. And the best part?
MAPS!
They help so much with understanding and visualising what happened and how.
Dare I say, the Russian format of map debrief is a thousand times simpler than the American one. Icons make a lot more sense too.
Surprised me how long the mooj were able to fight on a conventional footing in Chechnya though.

I'm sorry for veering OT a bit, but I absolutely LOVE Grau's method of writing and use of vignettes.

No better book to understand how those cunts fight.
Am also glad another DFIan found it similarly endearing. I thought I was the only one who thought it made sense.

Cheers brah :truestory:
Can you send or post some of these books here.
 

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My post is not saying oppression is good, that’s your assumption which is incorrect.

I wish there was transcript of western news channels that come here in India, would have given percentage of number of times women are explicitly mentioned but not men or afghan public in general in the current Afghanistan related reporting 14th aug onwards.

by the way we don’t get “conservative” western news channels like sky & fox in India, only liberal certified western channelS.
Notwithstanding the sudden and extremely convenient gynocentric trope of female oppression that has evolved right now, so much so that Afghan men or even the public at large is ignored, even this "concern" for female oppression by Westerners is nothing but a mighty sham. Wikileaks released this CIA report in 2010, which enumerates their strategies perfectly.

Use feminism to reduce Western opposition to military occupation of Afghanistan.

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From the report:

Only a fraction (0.1-1.3 percent) of French and German respondents identified “Afghanistan” as the most urgent issue facing their nation in an open-ended question, according to the same polling. These publics ranked “stabilizing Afghanistan” as among the lowest priorities for US and European leaders, according to polls by the German Marshall Fund (GMF) over the past two years.

According to INR polling in the fall of 2009, the view that the Afghanistan mission is a waste of resources and “not our problem” was cited as the most common reason for opposing ISAF by German respondents and was the second most common reason by French respondents.

Focusing on a message that ISAF benefits Afghan civilians and citing examples of concrete gains could limit and perhaps even reverse opposition to the mission. Such tailored messages could tap into acute French concern for civilians and refugees. Messaging that dramatizes the potential adverse consequences of an ISAF defeat for Afghan civilians could leverage French (and other European) guilt for abandoning them. The prospect of the Taliban rolling back hard-won progress on girls’ education could provoke French indignation, become a rallying point for France’s largely secular public, and give voters a reason to support a good and necessary cause despite casualties.

Afghan women could serve as ideal messengers in humanizing the ISAF role in combating the Taliban because of women’s ability to speak personally and credibly about their experiences under the Taliban, their aspirations for the future, and their fears of a Taliban victory. Outreach initiatives that create media opportunities for Afghan women to share their stories with French, German, and other European women could help to overcome pervasive skepticism among women in Western Europe toward the ISAF mission.

Media events that feature testimonials by Afghan women would probably be most effective if broadcast on programs that have large and disproportionately female audiences.

This memo was confidential, written by the CIA Red Cell under the supervision of the Director Of Intelligence. A recipe for the targeted manipulation of public opinion in two NATO ally countries.
 

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Notwithstanding the sudden and extremely convenient gynocentric trope of female oppression that has evolved right now, so much so that Afghan men or even the public at large is ignored, even this "concern" for female oppression by Westerners is nothing but a mighty sham. Wikileaks released this CIA report in 2010, which enumerates their strategies perfectly.

Use feminism to reduce Western opposition to military occupation of Afghanistan.

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From the report:

Only a fraction (0.1-1.3 percent) of French and German respondents identified “Afghanistan” as the most urgent issue facing their nation in an open-ended question, according to the same polling. These publics ranked “stabilizing Afghanistan” as among the lowest priorities for US and European leaders, according to polls by the German Marshall Fund (GMF) over the past two years.

According to INR polling in the fall of 2009, the view that the Afghanistan mission is a waste of resources and “not our problem” was cited as the most common reason for opposing ISAF by German respondents and was the second most common reason by French respondents.

Focusing on a message that ISAF benefits Afghan civilians and citing examples of concrete gains could limit and perhaps even reverse opposition to the mission. Such tailored messages could tap into acute French concern for civilians and refugees. Messaging that dramatizes the potential adverse consequences of an ISAF defeat for Afghan civilians could leverage French (and other European) guilt for abandoning them. The prospect of the Taliban rolling back hard-won progress on girls’ education could provoke French indignation, become a rallying point for France’s largely secular public, and give voters a reason to support a good and necessary cause despite casualties.

Afghan women could serve as ideal messengers in humanizing the ISAF role in combating the Taliban because of women’s ability to speak personally and credibly about their experiences under the Taliban, their aspirations for the future, and their fears of a Taliban victory. Outreach initiatives that create media opportunities for Afghan women to share their stories with French, German, and other European women could help to overcome pervasive skepticism among women in Western Europe toward the ISAF mission.

Media events that feature testimonials by Afghan women would probably be most effective if broadcast on programs that have large and disproportionately female audiences.

This memo was confidential, written by the CIA Red Cell under the supervision of the Director Of Intelligence. A recipe for the targeted manipulation of public opinion in two NATO ally countries.
Thanks for the info mate..

@Spitfire9 check above post for some context as to why there is so much focus on “female empowerment” in the Afghanistan narrative.
 

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Hope GOI and our agencies help northern alliance with indirect funding. They have enough manpower and weapons and only need financial help to take on Talibanis.
 

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