Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

abingdonboy

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Banana republics in Central America have death squads. Do you want India to be viewed as a banana republic?

As for turning India into a religious dictatorship... I have read many complaints that India is not seen as a major world player and is not given the attention deserved. An Indian religious dictatorship would certainly attract the attention of the world but also the opposition of most of the world. Now that would advance India's cause no end, wouldn't it?
Not saying I want india to go in that direction nor do I even remotely believe that’s where India is heading but I reject your premise in its entirety.

China is an one party authoritarian state with an atrocious human rights record but is happily accepted by the global community.

might makes right.
 
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Appeasing them wouldn't help either, would it!? If India takes a true initiative, US can't do anything about it other than diplomatic pressure.
+'s and -'s whatever course is chosen, I suppose. What does occur to me is that if Taliban would give support to Muslims in Xinjiang but Northern Alliance would not, China might be rather pleased if Northern Alliance rather than Taliban controlled the border area!
 

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Yes but not exactly accepted happily. Consumers like cheap Chinese goods. Cutting those off would be inflationary.



Unfortunately.
Happy or not they are still accepted, no not just accepted but actively wooed.

I’m sure you remember the utterly pathetic scenes under David Cameron where Xi was welcomed like an emperor to the U.K. so desperate is Westminster for Chinese attention.

There’s no room for ideology at the global stage- the US proved that this week. The wokest of Western leaders is now washing his hands of one of the gravest humanitarian disasters in recent memory.
 

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I’m sure you remember the utterly pathetic scenes under David Cameron where Xi was welcomed like an emperor to the U.K. so desperate is Westminster for Chinese attention.
Missed Xi's visit. I used to spend a lot of time out of England working. I guess that UK government tried to have reasonably good relations because of Hong Kong. Desperate for attention? Why would that be? Pretty much every head of state of a powerful country is welcomed like an emperor if they come on a state visit. I'm sure that Mr Modi would be treated in the same fashion.
 

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+'s and -'s whatever course is chosen, I suppose. What does occur to me is that if Taliban would give support to Muslims in Xinjiang but Northern Alliance would not, China might be rather pleased if Northern Alliance rather than Taliban controlled the border area!
Possible but,
Northern Alliance would be more inclined towards west than china despite recent events, and China is definitely not going to like all these talks of "democracy" and ''choice of the people'', but NA is desperate and they need help. China could use that. China wouldn't want NA in Kabul. China can't really buy Taliban. Even if the top leadership falls for the money, fractions will support Xinjiang.
If they want NA at the border they might have to support both NA and Taliban.
 

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65% of the total Madrasah in Pakistan are run by Deobandis . Clerics of other schools are also exited now . Imagine mullhas decide to do a taliban on pakistani establishment ... When its comes to religion vs nation state . a large portion of paki army ll support religion .... They are trained that way .. Paki establishment is preparing its population for this day all this time unaware of consequences .. It ll be a taliban with nuclear bomb ..
Probably another war by world powers with india as a base ...
 

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Banana republics in Central America have death squads. Do you want India to be viewed as a banana republic?

As for turning India into a religious dictatorship... I have read many complaints that India is not seen as a major world player and is not given the attention deserved. An Indian religious dictatorship would certainly attract the attention of the world but also the opposition of most of the world. Now that would advance India's cause no end, wouldn't it?
There's a quote in Hindi, my angrez fwend- "Jungle mein more nacha, kisne dekha?"
(A peacock danced in the forest but who saw?)
Every nation has to cleanse itself a few years lest it's forever changed, fragmented or lose it's soul.

Do I want India to have a banana republic with death squads?
Yes, if they're on our side and for a limited time period.
I consider Indian republic to already be a banana republic in many ways.
Different laws for different religions, regions, tribes, landmarks, everything.

Which "sane" republic allows literally hundreds of insurgent groups to rear their ugly head every few decades?

Let's consider this comparison to SA. South American countries don't have that level of enmity, hatred, fragments and crisis among them.
They're all agnostic/christians who speak Spanish barring Brazil that speaks Portugueuse and French Guiana where the official language is French, although the common man still speaks Spanish.

What are we?
The last pagan civilization standing.
Every rival neighbor of ours stands in wild and extreme contrast to our culture, people and country.
A Bolivian invasion of Chile is a conflict of flags and leaders. Not of language, culture, religion and way of life.

Ours is the conflict of our soul.
It all sounds very sentimental but it's true.

If they (The South Americans) can take such extreme measures for a trivial pursuit (from a civilizational point of view), ours is a much bigger bet.

Let me embody the cringey raging emo teenager in me by quoting Joker-
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Dare I say, if you still followed the religion of the Celtic tribes and there were nutty Christian hordes raging at your borders (I know I know, just humor me here) , you'd know the extreme paranoia that sometimes grips us if we get mildly pessimistic about the future.

Consider UK getting invaded by France lol. You wouldn't feel the same fear as... Say... The packies invading UK (Although I hear they already are doing so in which case, y'all will feel the heat soon enough. Not looking forward to it. The gods know I'd never wish a plague like that upon my worst enemy except my WORST enemy.)

Feel my pain brah. Feel it in the most non sexual, non homoerotic, non creepy way.
Just the emotions.
Don't be feeling up my pants unless you're a girl. :rage:
 

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65% of the total Madrasah in Pakistan are run by Deobandis . Clerics of other schools are also exited now . Imagine mullhas decide to do a taliban on pakistani establishment ... When its comes to religion vs nation state . a large portion of paki army ll support religion .... They are trained that way .. Paki establishment is preparing its population for this day all this time unaware of consequences .. It ll be a taliban with nuclear bomb ..
Probably another war by world powers with india as a base ...
it is a given that pakistan will go the afghan way.
 

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This is a question worth pondering upon, isn't it? what is qatar getting out of all of it?

no heavy mining machinery will ever be able to operate in hinterlands of Afghanistan, that's a given. it doesn't take more than one mining worker to rub a local tribesman the wrong way and the whole tribe will be gunning to cut the throats of everybody in the mining operation in that area. so large scale mining will never take place in afghanistan.

whatever minerals that are going to come out of afghanistan are hand dug by locals from the caves.

so why is qatar doing all this, has been doing all this for past 25 years.

i'd say to reach parity with saudi royal family, just like pakistan seeks parity with India.
if not financial parity with saudi royal family they atleast get seat at the high table rubbing shoulders with world powers, influencing their decisions, accumulate power at global diplomacy. power and influence seems to be qatar's game.
to be on high table one needs tools for negotiation unless taliban become a exporter of terror. what are the tools qatar have wrt to influence any decisions. or taliban with nuclear bombs is a guarantee that saudi dont overrun qatar. since pakistan can not become that guarantee.
 

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I would say recognize teletubbies, speak to them. At least try to get some cookies from the jar. Morality can fuck itself. Even if a democratic govt comes they will still be Islamic and do Islamic things like .

So if we can get something back for our investment I would be happy. Them got Lithium tons and tons of it.
 

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I would say recognize teletubbies, speak to them. At least try to get some cookies from the jar. Morality can fuck itself. Even if a democratic govt comes they will still be Islamic and do Islamic things like .

So if we can get something back for our investment I would be happy. Them got Lithium tons and tons of it.
taliban is a risk for our existence and you are thinking about return of investment.
 

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taliban is a risk for our existence and you are thinking about return of investment.
I have full faith in our forces and the current government. We can and we will handle them if it comes to that. But there is nothing wrong in trying to get something out of this situation. I will quote Tiny Dhillon sir here 'Kitne ghazi aaya kitne gaye. job bi aake phasega yahan mara jayega' . Let the game be played fully. There is something afoot it will come out soon. I don't think CIA will handover everything to chinks so easily. Always in these games people who are laughing first will not be laughing the ones laughing at the end. And no teletubbies and porkis will not be the reason for our " existential threats" it will be our people only, but I believe that our dharma will survive and thrive ultimately.
 

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I have full faith in our forces and the current government. We can and we will handle them if it comes to that. But there is nothing wrong in trying to get something out of this situation. I will quote Tiny Dhillon sir here 'Kitne ghazi aaya kitne gaye. job bi aake phasega yahan mara jayega' . Let the game be played fully. There is something afoot it will come out soon. I don't think CIA will handover everything to chinks so easily. Always in these games people who are laughing first will not be laughing at the end.
we should rather wait and watch than jumping into the soup now
 

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