Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[Rudra7678]

Was India allowed by Pakistan to use its airspace to evacuate its citizens or did they have to take the longer router via Iran?

 

[Stalingrad]

While there are many foreign nationals who thank us,we have ungrateful b!t¢h€$ like @kanika0509 who abuse & teach the govt it's duties even after safe evacuation. Shame on these selfish journos who whine after evac while many more labour and helpers are still stuck there and we are doing our best to get em home.

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

Was India allowed by Pakistan to use its airspace to evacuate its citizens or did they have to take the longer router via Iran?

Longer Route over Iran

 

[Covfefe]

Was India allowed by Pakistan to use its airspace to evacuate its citizens or did they have to take the longer router via Iran?

I guess any IAF aircraft won't use Paki airspace. Civilian one might have

 

[another_armchair]

That was a false picture, it was of US C17s carrying Phillipino people.



Agreed, but this time it's not that we are doing any covert ops, just to protect the aircraft so I think its okay.

Problem is not with the uniformed ones.

What if one of the men wasn't supposed to be in Afghanistan but elsewhere, say working in the Middle East or Europe?

His picture on the front seat gets flashed across the world, some relative/neighbor identifies him, reaches out to his family and says 'Arey, Bhaisaab ki foto dekhi.. wo Afghanistan kab gaye?' That person in turn steps on the gossip gas and word continues to spread 'Arey.. hamein bola tha... Bulgaria mein hain... par ye toh Afghanistan mein nikle'.

Maybe the man has a past association with the Govt. Maybe it was just co-incidence. Some nosy journo gets on his tail... and finally catches up with him when the man is out shopping.

That's how actual covers get blown.

There is a man on death row in Pakistan. Just saying... no problem at all... its all okay... .no covert ops.. just import/export business.

 

[Jimih]

What was US goal in Afghanistan.
To fight taliban in order to bring taliban

US came to afghanistan to hunt down osama but osama was under protection of porki army after 2001 and they fought taliban

All the Presidents since Bush JR retorted that the United States would not get stuck with the burden of “nation building” in Afghanistan.

But nation building was exactly what the United States had tried to do in a war battered Afghanistan on a colossal scale.

Since 2001, Washington had spent more on nation building in Afghanistan than in any country ever, allocating 133 billion USD for reconstruction, aid programs and the Afghan security forces.

Instead of bringing stability and peace, the United States inadvertently build a corrupt, dysfunctional Afghan government that remained dependent on US military power for its survival. Assuming it didnt collapse, US pumped billions more dollars in aid annually, for decades.

Much of the money ended up in the pockets of overpriced Contractors, Warlords and corrupt Afghan officials, while US financed schools, clinics and roads fell into disrepair.

 

[Covfefe]

While there are many foreign nationals who thank us,we have ungrateful b!t¢h€$ like @kanika0509 who abuse & teach the govt it's duties even after safe evacuation. Shame on these selfish journos who whine after evac while many more labour and helpers are still stuck there and we are doing our best to get em home.

She's an unemployed journo used by Jihadi sympathizers like Jal-Jeera to spew venom against us. look at her timeline- she is 'thankful' to jaljeera for having given the opportunity to find out the condition of 'poor Rohingyas in 'Indian administered Kashmir'.

On a side note, have never seen a "Gupta" so interested in Arabic script before her- Looks like, under the leadership of Tagore, the BJP is losing its core base ie "Brahmin-Baniya". Sad for them

 

[another_armchair]

She's an unemployed journo used by Jihadi sympathizers like Jal-Jeera to spew venom against us. look at her timeline- she is 'thankful' to jaljeera for having given the opportunity to find out the condition of 'poor Rohingyas in 'Indian administered Kashmir'.

On a side note, have never seen a "Gupta" so interested in Arabic script before her- Looks like, under the leadership of Tagore, the BJP is losing its core base ie "Brahmin-Baniya". Sad for them

Ek aur hai... Madhuri Gupta ;-)

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...ri-gupta-convicted-of-spying-for-isi-5182566/

^Just in case ...

This Al Jazeera stringer is toxic. Should have thrown her out of the plane.

 

[afako]

India has to side with Pasthun Nationalists and ensure they are sufficiently funded. Talibans are nothing more than mercenaries without Pakistani supplies monetary and arms which inturn Pakis receive by whoring out.

Now Taliban is the ruler in Afghanistan. Taliban will return favour to Pakis by some media worthy anti India moves. We have to accommodate that. The Taliban has to be put in a fix to clear their position on Durand line. If they claim Durand line, the Pakis will be in a fix. If they forgoe claim on Durand line or are silent, there will be discontent within their ranks and Afghans.

Ethno Nationalism is our best friend.

 

[afako]

There is no shortage of Allah's bois in Al Bakistan:


Allah is Supreme > Pakistan and Afghanistan states.

When I say Allahs bois, it should be said like this at 1:09

 

[Tactical Doge]

On a lighter note
People who had the misfortune of watching Baaghi 3 will get the Reference

 

[Covfefe]

Ek aur hai... Madhuri Gupta ;-)

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...ri-gupta-convicted-of-spying-for-isi-5182566/

^Just in case ...

This Al Jazeera stringer is toxic. Should have thrown her out of the plane.

Did read about this Hoor. She had a lot of inferiority complex due to her service cadre (was promoted from one below the IFS). And, money wasn't the only thing she took for passing the info

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

India has to side with Pasthun Nationalists and ensure they are sufficiently funded. Talibans are nothing more than mercenaries without Pakistani supplies monetary and arms which inturn Pakis receive by whoring out.

Now Taliban is the ruler in Afghanistan. Taliban will return favour to Pakis by some media worthy anti India moves. We have to accommodate that. The Taliban has to be put in a fix to clear their position on Durand line. If they claim Durand line, the Pakis will be in a fix. If they forgoe claim on Durand line or are silent, there will be discontent within their ranks and Afghans.

Ethno Nationalism is our best friend.

Taliban have an ideological goal. But yeah, many Talibanis will have at least some Pashtun ethno-nationalism. But this time, it seems like Taliban is more focused on its ideological goal, so they'll likely tone down Pashtun nationalism and try to pacify (like one would a lamb before slaughter) the Tajiks, Hazaras, etc.
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I don't see how we can make the Talbian as a whole shift from its ideological goal as its main focus to Pashtun-nationalism as the main focus. We can do it for a fringe of Taliban, but I don't think we can do it to the whole Taliban.

 

[Jimih]

Ka-ned-da

 

[Sehwag231]

 

[nWo 4 Life]

All the Presidents since Bush JR retorted that the United States would not get stuck with the burden of “nation building” in Afghanistan.

But nation building was exactly what the United States had tried to do in a war battered Afghanistan on a colossal scale.

Since 2001, Washington had spent more on nation building in Afghanistan than in any country ever, allocating 133 billion USD for reconstruction, aid programs and the Afghan security forces.

Instead of bringing stability and peace, the United States inadvertently build a corrupt, dysfunctional Afghan government that remained dependent on US military power for its survival. Assuming it didnt collapse, US pumped billions more dollars in aid annually, for decades.

Much of the money ended up in the pockets of overpriced Contractors, Warlords and corrupt Afghan officials, while US financed schools, clinics and roads fell into disrepair.

Correct.

Both Afghanistan and Iraq have proved that the United States can neither build nations nor create armies out of scratch, especially in countries that have a limited middle class and low education rates, over a decade or two. It takes generations. Not enough people have the knowledge or experience to navigate whole new ways of life, whatever they want in principle. Ethnic and sectarian divisions thwart attempts to overhaul political, social, and economic life all at the same time. The United States spent eighty-three billion dollars training and arming an Afghan force of some three hundred thousand—more than four times the size of the Taliban’s militia. And nothing to show for it.

America’s Great Retreat is as humiliating as the Soviet Union’s withdrawal in 1989. Amrikis love to gloat that it contributed to the end of the Soviet Union and Communist rule. Well, that is probably true. However, the Soviet Union is estimated to have spent about fifty billion dollars during the first seven of its ten years occupying Afghanistan. The United States was in Afghanistan twice as long and spent far more. So, who's the bigger loser?

For the United States, the costs do not end with its withdrawal from either Afghanistan or Iraq. It could cost another two trillion dollars just to pay for the health care and disability of veterans from those wars. And those costs may not peak until 2048. This war is going to continue still, just not on the ground anymore. In all, forty-seven thousand civilians have died, according to Brown University’s Costs of War Project. More than twenty-four hundred were U.S. military personnel, and almost four thousand were U.S. contractors.

The Soviet Union at least, functionally brought Afghanistan 40 years forward, starting with the Band-e Sardeh dam, and Kabul polytechnic, and all the major infrastructure and social programs they fulfilled. Roads, tunnels, railways - all of that used to be constructed with Soviet power and money. Just take a look at USAID official web, where they clearly state, that the main goal is to maintain the Soviet built infrastructure.

In 15 years, they managed to reconstruct a whole 200+ km of roads, and refurbish one of the turbines settled at Kajaki dam, built by a US company, paid by the Afghans, upgraded by the Russians, and bombed by the US and then rebuilt with US taxpayers' dollars a few years later.

In the end, both of the big powers withdrew as losers, with their tails between their legs, leaving behind chaos. America was less brutal and didn't commit war crimes on the level of the Soviet Union, so there's that I guess.

 

[afako]

The current US withdrawal will forever diminish their claimed greatness as this is the first time in the era of social media where the running away images are seen by billions instantly.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Taliban Ka Putra

Rather I’ll say it’s surprising to see him say this because he’s a Shia and Shia is considered kuffar by Taliban and other Sunni extremists.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

If you want a full list of equipment destroyed and captured, here you go. Includes aircraft, helis, armour, UAV etc etc.

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (2086, of which destroyed: 106, captured: 1980

Unmanned Aerial vehicles (7, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 6)

Aircraft and Helicopters (23, of which destroyed: 7, captured: 16)

Anti-aircraft guns (8, of which captured: 8.)

Artillery and Mortars (61, of which captured: 61)

Armoured fighting vehicles (60, of which destroyed: 9, captured: 51)

Tanks (12, of which captured: 12).

 

[Covfefe]

Ka-ned-da

Makes sense na. Anyway, what have we offered to the Hindu Afghans living in Delhi, to date? In the West, they might atleast avail some welfare cheques doled out by the Gov.