Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

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Envoys who have left Kabul already:

United States
United Kingdom
France
Norway
Denmark
Netherlands

Envoys who are still stationed in Kabul:

India
China
Pakistan
Russia
Iran
Pakistan
Central Asian Countries
In simple words:-
Envoys who left: The West
Envoys still there: The actual stakeholders
 

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They are thinking its some kind of bus or train where they can just sit on the roof and travel .. Imagine wind hitting u at 200kmph . I think most of them are tajikh or hazara .. many former govt officials . Taliban used to bomb kabul and other cities before .. There seems 2 be a wild fear due to this .
 

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What most dont get it is pak taliban relation is Frankenstein kind of situation. US -ISIS relationship can be an example, or US-'any other group' for that matter. But US has loads of cash and is thousand miles away. That is also why US changes sides frequently, because it doesnt have to live with the consequences. There is no real danger to US when its own created ISIS turns against it.

But Pakistan is here only and has to live with consequences. So even though they coordinate with taliban they do not have the upper hand. They know one day taliban or any other x y z offshoot will come knocking, to establish true islam in their islamic republic, and whether they answer the door or not they will have trouble.

As for AFG, this is their true nature, they were always like this. So let them be. the ppl who will actually be dissatisfied under taliban rule are a minority. also ppl fleeing to kabul airport and hanging on to plane engines arent doing so out of desperation, they know its their golden ticket to a 1st world country. all of them are young men who if given a chance will flee leaving their women, family under taliban. not uncommon sight from warring islamic countries, such brave people i tell you.
 

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These afghans have killed 40000 marathas after battle of panipat and taken 20000 women and children as slaves under their father of nation ahmad shah durrani.
In battle of kup 1762 25000 innocent sikh civilians were massacred.
They have given us endless troubles in past including gazni and ghori.
Our history with afghans was always bad
Their mentality has not changed yet.
So we must not care what is happening their
This is another way of looking at it. However there are thousands of Afghans living in India and India is helping many more as we speak. Times have changed but if historic perspective has to be kept in mind then we must also have a long term vision for the whole region, that is to correct the history. Simply put they were all Hindus and Buddhist. Once ruled by Hindu marshal races like Rajputs a very long term vision must be cultivated among us. Those who can convert to a foreign cult can also be reverted back to their real religion. All it need a consistent institutionalised military, political and religious effort backed by good marketing.
 

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This is another way of looking at it. However there are thousands of Afghans living in India and India is helping many more as we speak. Times have changed but if historic perspective has to be kept in mind then we must also have a long term vision for the whole region, that is to correct the history. Simply put they were all Hindus and Buddhist. Once ruled by Hindu marshal races like Rajputs a very long term vision must be cultivated among us. Those who can convert to a foreign cult can also be reverted back to their real religion. All it need a consistent institutionalised military, political and religious effort backed by good marketing.
TBH, I feel the entire region is forever cursed. There is a lot of bad Karma in there.
 

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What most dont get it is pak taliban relation is Frankenstein kind of situation. US -ISIS relationship can be an example, or US-'any other group' for that matter. But US has loads of cash and is thousand miles away. That is also why US changes sides frequently, because it doesnt have to live with the consequences. There is no real danger to US when its own created ISIS turns against it.

But Pakistan is here only and has to live with consequences. So even though they coordinate with taliban they do not have the upper hand. They know one day taliban or any other x y z offshoot will come knocking, to establish true islam in their islamic republic, and whether they answer the door or not they will have trouble.

As for AFG, this is their true nature, they were always like this. So let them be. the ppl who will actually be dissatisfied under taliban rule are a minority. also ppl fleeing to kabul airport and hanging on to plane engines arent doing so out of desperation, they know its their golden ticket to a 1st world country. all of them are young men who if given a chance will flee leaving their women, family under taliban. not uncommon sight from warring islamic countries, such brave people i tell you.
I think the the glimpse are already visible. The tool kits are already spread among Jihadis masquerading as liberals. They will normalise Taliban and wait for present upheaval to settle down. All the bets are now on PR management after which they will start holding the power and start projecting their authority. This is Taliban 2.0 and they have learnt a lot from their past mistakes. The oppression will still happen and they will still take down their opponents but that all will happen in a more controlled fashion.
 

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Yes and even if Taliban may not be a threat to India this can be a very good excuse to buy Rafales for IAF and F18 for Navy...Use this crisis ffs for something good ..Koi to humare babuon ko samjhao
Again shoot bullets in the leg ?

Buying weapons from the west and especially from US makes you vulnerable and not strengthens your position.
One of the key reasons why Afghan forces were decimated was because of the US refusal to allow maintenance contractors which resulted in low availability of many Afghan weapons platform.
Imagine India in war with an adversary and the US refuses to give us the spare parts, what will you do in this situation apart from closing your eyes and praying to the lord ?

An import dependent military is never a strong military,look at US allies like Saudi Arabia as an example.
 

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TBH, I feel the entire region is forever cursed. There is a lot of bad Karma in there.
There is no karma. Karma is a hoax. As far as the region is concern then it is good that it remain unsettled. This will help us in the long run to establish superiority of our civilisation after juxtaposing it against foreign cults.

The only issue here is our systematic response originating from a supreme authority which we are yet to work out.
 
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So what's happening is Pakistan controlling afganistan?
In simple terms No.

You cannot control an entire country just like that.

In complex terms they don't control the country but rather have overwhelming influence over their domestic and international affairs as of now.

Contrary to the popular hopium being spewed here from the last few days Taliban is not some nachaniya who will start dancing for us if we throw some money on them. They are a ideological terror group which believes in the superiority of Islam and it's laws and follows the doctrine of Jihad to spread Islam around the globe.

After the fall of the first Afghan govt and the subsequent US drawdown the next generation of mujahedins were trained in a string of madrasas on the pak-afghan border by ISI to keep up the support at a time when US was reducing the aid and money inflow. Infact the indoctrination was so strong that these Jihad verses were included in the curriculum syllabus in Pakistan to nurture a strong sense of bonding back in 80s.

Most afghan leaders and their families hid in pakistan and many keep their families there till date. All these warlords like Ismail khan Aslam Farooqui Abu Bilal and sami ul huq who was also known as the "Father of taliban" had stayed in pakistan for years building their militia and hiding from their enemies some of then are pakistani nationals too. Every meeting at doha and the people who attended it was vetted by ISI.

Let us talk about "Mullah baradar" the person who is now designated to lead the new Afghanistan. He was captured by ISI in 2010 after immense pressure from the US due to his military expertise. He was on the hitlist of the US for a long time due to him launching multiple successful offenses against ANA.

Despite his capture ISI rejected all requests and attempts made by the US to get him or even talk to him to prevent a redux of sami ul huq who was killed by the US. After 9/11 both mulla umar and mullah baradar were hidden in pakistan to prevent their capture by CIA. The Doha peace deal was supposed to be signed by Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai, but the ISI replaced him with Baradar as a signatory. Most importantly for pakistan it will be the lack of support and later on the clampdown on BLA and other organizations in Afghanistan that will help them shore up their borders.

What does all this mean for India?

Only time will tell. From 1996-2001 India taliban relation had remained frosty despite so called talks back then too. They had despite pressure kept all the hijackers under their safety during the NDA govt. Our strategic planners are not this dumb. If bribing taliban was possible we would have done that long back but the ideological difference is too vast and that prevents any sort of meaningful talks from taking place.
 
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In simple terms No.

You cannot control an entire country just like that.

In complex terms they don't control the country but rather have overwhelming influence over their domestic and international affairs as of now.

Contrary to the popular hopium being spewed here from the last few days Taliban is not some nachaniya who will start dancing for us if we throw some money on them. They are a ideological terror group which believes in the superiority of Islam and it's laws and follows the doctrine of Jihad to spread Islam around the globe.

After the fall of the first Afghan govt and the subsequent US drawdown the next generation of mujahedins were trained in a string of madrasas on the pak-afghan border by ISI to keep up the support at a time when US was reducing the aid and money inflow. Infact the indoctrination was so strong that these Jihad verses were included in the curriculum syllabus in Pakistan to nurture a strong sense of bonding back in 80s.

Most afghan leaders and their families hid in pakistan and many keep their families there till date. All these warlords like Ismail khan Aslam Farooqui Abu Bilal and sami ul huq who was also known as the "Father of taliban" had stayed in pakistan for years building their militia and hiding from their enemies some of then are pakistani nationals too. Every meeting at doha and the people who attended it was vetted by ISI.

Let us talk about "Mullah baradar" the person who is now designated to lead the new Afghanistan. He was captured by ISI in 2010 after immense pressure from the US due to his military expertise. He was on the hitlist of the US for a long time due to him launching multiple successful offenses against ANA.

Despite his capture ISI rejected all requests and attempts made by the US to get him or even talk to him to prevent a redux of sami ul huq who was killed by the US. After 9/11 both mulla umar and mullah baradar were hidden in pakistan to prevent their capture by CIA. The Doha peace deal was supposed to be signed by Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai, but the ISI replaced him with Baradar as a signatory. Most importantly for pakistan it will be the lack of support and later on the clampdown on BLA and other organizations in Afghanistan that will help them shore up their borders.

What does all this mean for India?

Only time will tell. From 1996-2001 India taliban relation had remained frosty despite so called talks back then too. Our strategic planners are not this dumb. If bribing taliban was possible we would have done that long back but the ideological difference is too vast and that prevents any sort of meaningful talks from taking place.
India should first get rid of terrorists living inside her borders
 

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BTW, you guys are famous. PDF has an entire thread created by the donkeys dedicated to our discussion here. :troll:
Let us brush the ego of the mard e momin from pak.
It's is year 2021 after evicting US from Afghanistan, ISI makes CPEC viable. It becomes key state in South East Asia anyone wanting access to central Asia must pay them transit fees. The Pakistani become rich, the average buslim in India is pissed off that they missed train to Pakistan.
They rebelled against fascist Mudi and ISI send lashkar and defeat India in 2 days(kuffr can't fight)
Now mughal empire restored under Bajwa the Great, they Pakistani can contemplate converting whole south Asia into Muslims.
Check mate banya, no more evidence of your pagan history.
PS: kuffrs were murdered but it was all holy champaak wish and daughters taken as war boots.
 

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Genuine question, apart from maybe goat herding and poppy farming, what are the employment opportunities in Afghanistan?
China must be salivating at the prospect of getting to mine Lithium there.
Lithium is one of the most abundant metals on Earth. Why would you wanna mine something in one of the most dangerous countries when you can get it easily from somewhere much less dangerous.

 

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