Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[Abdus Salem killed]

Stop visiting Pakistani forums. It is been 5 years now that I haven’t visited them, not even a glance. Trust me our presence help their IQ to increase. The day Indians stop interacting with them they will be reduced to caged animal of a zoo.

So what's happening is Pakistan controlling afganistan?

 

[Kumata]

 

[pankaj nema]

Liberals in India getting a Reality Check
About the True Nature of Indian " Peacefuls "

 

[sajobajo]

We dont have to recognize the bunnies. They are being at their photo op best right now because of the intense press focus on them at the moment.
The moment the press is distracted or bored or both , they will go back to being the medieval savages with ruthless purging of opponents, dissidents, the non submissive wimmens and the kaffirs.
We will have to engage them at some level, not sure how, maybe through the Arabs, and allow them some limited leeway in exchange for using them to randomly squeeze Porki balls.

 

[another_armchair]

The USA did indeed shake hands with the Taliban and betrayed the Afghans, due to which their credibility is now tarnished forever. But the training and leadership was indeed shit. And this is NOT the first time.

185k troops in 20 years for a 40 million country? With Afghan population size - 40 million, and its structure - they should have been able to conscript a 100k men a year voluntary based.

For Poland - similar in size and double the age population structure - the goal is to deliver 17+k territorial army soldiers each year. EACH YEAR. And they still have a regular army and not at war.

In War times, Poland's population was 35 million, army was 350k strong, and steadily replaced with double the year conscripts, making the yearly conscript number close to 250k, leaving the professional officer and sergeants cadre.

The numbers in Afghanistan - if we combine those with close to $90 billion expenditures - is just another face of total failure. A corruption operation put on the outrageous stage and size. Just like Iraq.

Look at it from any angle.

Nobody really knows how many of these "soldiers" used to be just missing souls, or organized attempts to steal the money assigned to non-existing footers. With the age structure of Afghanistan, there are about 400k men annually fit for military service. Along with the military budget of $12 billion, and most of the equipment granted from the sponsors. What does it tell you?

$12 billion for 185k army is actually a giant allocation.

To put it into perspective: it is 20% more than the military expenditures of Algeria. A country owning the most advanced army in Africa, with both Su-30, T-90, Iskanders, S-300V4, and all that big guy's toys.

It is on par with Taiwan. Taiwan's armed forces are almost double the size, at almost 300k men. A Taiwan size budget, allocated to an army 60% of Taiwanese strength, in a shithole like Afghanistan, where purchasing power ratio is about the tenth fold of Taiwan, is actually HUGE money. There is a lot of cash, allocated to a mid-size army, in a country torn by war, and having 400k men a year conscript potential.

The entire sham has been exposed. And frankly, we should have seen it coming.

185k in 20 years means they managed to train 15k conscripts a year. It is a joke for a country with such a young population, and being at war.

The same story already happened in Iraq, and those were Iranian instructors who hardened the army when they were told to fuck off. They wiped out the Kurds, whom again, Amrika trained for years, in one single blow.

Georgian army in 2008, Amrika invested in them and trained them for half a decade, just to watch them run like rabbits when the first Russian tank rolled out of Kodori tunnel.

Amrika trained the Ukrainians, they used to have a contingent in Iraq, remember? The whole Ukrainian army was melted and flushed down the toilet by the IRREGULAR FORCES of the LOCAL POPULATION, with small assistance from the Russian army.

Amrika trained the terrorists in Syria, and Russians simply rubbed them along the desert without any serious challenge.

Amrika assisted the training and equipped all of the Gulf satrapies, and they all together are being fucked by the jihadis running in rubber sandals, shouting "Walla Walla, death to America, death to Israel!".

Every fucking army Amrika has trained in the last 2 decades, was wiped out when only someone seriously took some action against them. If I was American, I would be not only shocked but quite terrified by that fact, because simple logic proves that the "mighty Amrikan army" is just the same.

The only thing they still have, is an extremely effective propaganda machine. But that too is getting less and less effective each day.

To this day no one has a clue about the actual size of the Afghan army because it was a paper army all along. The only thing that was not on paper, was cash allocated on it, ending up in Uncle Sam's corrupt officers' pockets, hand in hand with corrupt Afghan politicians, chiefs and all the participants of this well executed fraud. Same story as in Iraq, only this time we can witness the results right away.

And just for the record, this $12 billion is actually a combination of all the assets applied on ANA, because they obviously could not afford that with their own budget. I bet they hardly saw a fraction of that money, as it was stolen on its way already.

Afghanistan Military expenditure, 1948-2023 - knoema.com

In 2021, military expenditure for Afghanistan was 278 million US dollars. Though Afghanistan military expenditure fluctuated substantially in recent years, it tended to increase through 1976 - 2021 period ending at 278 million US dollars in 2021. Military expenditure by country, in current US$ m

knoema.com

Google spits out a random USD $12 billion but how much of it is spent on the men?

Trading economics also has relatively similar numbers as above.

Afghanistan Military Expenditure

Military Expenditure in Afghanistan decreased to 278.30 USD Million in 2021 from 279.60 USD Million in 2020. Afghanistan Military Expenditure - values, historical data, forecasts and news - updated on May of 2024.

tradingeconomics.com

As the source is SIPRI, I would consider it quite accurate.

Don't have the latest data but managed to get pay figures from 2011.

Afghan National Army Base and Incentive Pay Chart | Public Intelligence

publicintelligence.net

We lost the war in Sri Lanka. Wonder who trained us and who trained the LTTE.

I won't elaborate on this thread as it would be needlessly OT. A round figure seldom gives an accurate picture.

Some lofty numbers here.

Were the Afghan Defence Forces ever prepared to protect Afghanistan? | ORF

The Afghan defence forces, even without the Western troops, outnumber the Taliban.

www.orfonline.org

Wonder how much money went to the contractors and trainers instead.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

We dont have to recognize the bunnies. They are being at their photo op best right now because of the intense press focus on them at the moment.
The moment the press is distracted or bored or both , they will go back to being the medieval savages with ruthless purging of opponents, dissidents, the non submissive wimmens and the kaffirs.
We will have to engage them at some level, not sure how, maybe through the Arabs, and allow them some limited leeway in exchange for using them to randomly squeeze Porki balls.

They got their media management lessons from Pakistan.

 

[hit&run]

So what's happening is Pakistan controlling afganistan?

Define control first. What are they controlling when everything is hey wire. Like I said stop obsessing over Pakistani losers. First they should control their own country before dreaming of controlling Afghanistan.

 

[pankaj nema]

Prominent Muslim Journalists in India
Are all Taliban Supporters

 

[Deathstar]

Americans focusing on Paki duplicity. US media calling out some members in Paki intelligence happy over Taliban takeover

 

[Deathstar]

Prominent Muslim Journalists in India
Are all Taliban Supporters

Not wrong though. Are Taliban declared a terrorist organization?not even americans have. Say whatever u want , they are locals ,they represent Afg. There are instances of 2 brothers, one being in ANA, other in Taliban. Look at the graveyards , u ll see both flags. Pakistanis just used them as a pawn just like Americans or we do.

 

[hawwk]

Americans already know of the double game, have known for a decade now. They still won't allow India to take PoK under Modi 'cause that would lead to RW consolidation in India. US deep state doesn't have tunnel vision. They consider everything before making a move. All this assuming our military even considers a PoK takeover militarily prudent at this point of time. China will construe that move as an attempt to get closer to Wakhan corridor.
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Taliban does seem like it plans to slowly indoctrinate its people and overcome ethnic lines that way. But eventually, human will to live might trump Islamic opression in the new Emirate. These kind of governance setups seem inherently unstable, doomed to failure. And you're right, Pakistan has a lot to lose in this, especially the Pakjabi elites.
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Yeah, that might be a problem, especially one that will divide RW opinion. If we don't recognize Taliban and they exact revenge on Afghani Hindus and Sikhs, especially Sikhs, that becomes political ammo to take down Modi. Lets just hope that Taliban are never able to form a coherent government in Afghanistan and that one or the other warlord continues rebellions. An Afghanistan under an indecisive Taliban is the best we can hope for right now.

there's absolutely no need to consider the taliban govt. nobody except america would let them sit beside them at UN lecturing world about human rights like said above. there's no rush.
also taliban is still not stable in afghan yet.

it's so weird we aren't getting any full proof army backed statements about the afghan situation in india except "kadi ninda". everyone is dead silent on the matter. does anyone have some sources in military about what they are planning?

also @LurkerBaba, why is manasvi banned?

 

[Darth Malgus]

Is Pakistan controlling afganistan now that's what I am getting from pdf what's happening do Pakis have full control of afganistan?

Pakistan barely has any control over areas outside Punjab and Sindh. From what I understand, the current head of Taliban Mullah Birader was arrested by the US. Only he knows if he is Talib guy or a double agent. Which could totally be the case. Next few months will be fun.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[Deathstar]

Pakistan barely has any control over areas outside Punjab and Sindh. From what I understand, the current head of Taliban Mullah Birader was arrested by the US. Only he knows if he is Talib guy or a double agent. Which could totally be the case. Next few months will be fun.

Mullah Baradar was arrested by Pakistan, tortured for 8 years n released in 2018 due to US request

 

[Darth Malgus]

No need to deploy anything in Afghanistan. Buy off the local war lords and the factions within Taliban. Rest can work with the intel agencies. aur kuch nai karna... Everything else is waste of lives and money.

 

[Darth Malgus]

Mullah Baradar was arrested by Pakistan, tortured for 8 years n released in 2018 due to US request

That makes it even more interesting, don't you think ?

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

The fact that our embassy in Kabul isnt closed, tells me we have a deal.

And please stop this dhoti shivering of Taliban in Kashmir. Fire will rain on Pakistan.

 

[Varoon2]

Deport this coomer to jihadi hugbox.

Throw open a challenge to them: go to Afghanistan and preach democracy, secularism and pluralism to the Taliban. No need to preach to Hindus and India.

 

[notaname]

Too many Nepalis are there,

FYI - Nepal has requested for evacuation to Western nations not to India till now.

 

[notaname]

Breaking: C17 Globemaster of @IAF_MCC lands in Kabul to evacuate Indians.