Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

[SanjeevM]

 

[TejasMK3]

Later they included us

Where, even last week we were kept out of the Extended Troika discussions, Three meetings have happened we havent been a part of any.

India again kept out of extended troika meet on Afghanistan called by Russia

The “extended troika” meet, to be held in Qatar on August 11, will be joined by special envoys from Russia, the US, China and Pakistan.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[sameer]

Still moving in circles and used Pakistani airspace,
emergency indeed.

It is usual thing for civilian aircraft to use paki airspace

 

[HitmanBlood]

Taliban couldn’t have done this level of planning sitting in the mountains, this happened because of safe haven provided by ISI in Pakistan.

- ISI allowed them safe space for conducting shuras,
- ISI gave them safe haven medical facilities to both taliban leaders and fighters,
- ISI gave Taliban diplomatic cover tempering the muricans during negotiations,
- ISI coordinated with Russians, Iranians & Chinese on behalf of Taliban
- ISI ensured taliban cash flow via narcotics trade
- ISI probably gave them military intel as well

The list is probably even longer, they did everything to meet their strategic objectives of strategic depth.

even today CIA has no clue what to do with Pakistan.

Yes, some of it is true. However ISI was coordinating with which faction? Which tribe? If ISI was able to cordinate what stopped CIA, R&W and others from doing the same?

Also Pakistan is not some first world power that would confuse Americans on how to deal with them. They are bunch of bhikharis living in a sh!thole of a country. If they want to they can make Imran Khan and Bajwa lick American boots.

The reason behind this f ed up event is lies. That we take as gospel of truth before assaying any situation in Afghanistan.

The first lie was sold to us all was Afghanis are some innocent people living under tyrannical taliban rule. If we free them they will adopt 21st century way of life and democracy. This was the foundational lie that is cause of most of the problem. In reality Afghans, majority of them always wanted fundamentalist Islamic rule. Their love for their religion, their tribe is much higher than their love for their country.

Second lie sold to us was Taliban is a singular organization that has their headquarters somewhere. Where their leaders sit together and plan their next move. Again not true. Taliban was always some small groupings of people who had their own reasons to topple Afghan gov. They were loosely connected by their fondness of Shariat.

This is why Doha talks failed. The Taliban sitting on Afghan mountains may or may not care what Taliban in Doha might say. They are running their own show on the ground.

Once news of American withdrawal reached those crazies they started descending from their mountains, caves and whatnot. They met with almost no resistance so they kept talking more and more. I don't see any plan in this just pure madness.

So is Pakistan completely innocent here? No. They have done their part in feeding the monster in Afghanistan but it doesn't appear as grand as we may want to belive. In future when Taliban takes control of Afghanistan and when they have to make a formal governing structure. Pakistan and China may have an advantage because they will be first countries to legitimise them. Still this too is open for debate.

 

[Johny_Baba]

 

[HawkisRight]

 

[nWo 4 Life]

It falls on us to guard our borders with Pakistan. We have never had a robust response to Pakistan's meddling. You hurt pakis with a disproportionate response you control rest of the problems.

India should have a declared policy that any attempt to infiltrate from the Pakistani side will be met with conventional response on paki soil.

Regards to China at the doors, well time has come for India to join a side. This non alignment wont help us. Get into a military alliance that will mean aliies being drawn in case China opens a front. We did it successfully earlier too.

Punjab insurgency was dead even when Taliban was in power in Kabul. The punjabis are simply not interested and except a very miniscule minority no one talks about it in India.

I agree with all of your points, except the last one about the Khalistanis. You see, the reason the Khalistani movement faded away was not because they went away by themselves, but because of the brutal, iron-fist approach by KPS Gill a la Operation Woodrose and Operation Black Thunder among others. This heavy-handed crackdown was the reason the Khalistanis fizzled out by the time Taliban became dominant in Afghanistan. Otherwise, the Khalistanis were killing people both before, during and even after Bhindiwala.

Secondly, I will say that it's not a minority, but a majority of the Sikhs who actually admire and defend Bhindiwala and have sympathies with Khalistan. However, it is true that it's only a minority for now, that is willing to actually pick up arms and carry out another insurgency. But the point is: THAT'S ALL IT TAKES.

Because do you think a MAJORITY of the Sikhs were involved in murdering Hindus and participating in the Khalistani insurgency under Bhindiwala and after him? No. Despite the comprehensive disruption of the entire machinery of the State, and of the normal lives of the people that the terrorists successfully engineered for over ten years, there is no reason to believe that a majority, or even a substantial proportion, of the common people, were ever behind them. Certainly, there was a measure of support in the area along the borders of Pakistan. This was largely restricted to what is referred to as the Majha region, comprising mainly the tract lying between the river Beas and the Pakistan border, and essentially covering only two districts - Amritsar and Gurdaspur. Even within these confines, support was only partial and restricted to rural areas; though submission to the terror was - at least for some time - absolute.

The large number of dissenting voices that had to be mercilessly silenced by the terrorists are evidence to the fact that their support was far - I would assert, immeasurably far - from unanimous.

Indeed, even though Hindus were the primary target, a huge number of Sikhs who refused to participate in the movement were also killed. By no means did a majority involve themselves in this. It was a minority back then too, a well-armed and well-supplied minority which managed to wreak such havoc because we underestimated and ignored them.

As long as they have a steady supply of money and arms, though they may be a minority, they will be more than capable to unleash hell on Punjab once again. The peaceful majority is not a safeguard.

 

[Bhairav]

 

[SanjeevM]

 

[nWo 4 Life]

Mullah Baradar is going to be the new leader of Afghanistan.

 

[HitmanBlood]

Deal has been made

I hope I am wrong but i don't trust them. These people including Indian media (on TV) are behaving like Taliban is some professional military where every soldier will abide by a code of conduct and will honor their deal. I mean these guys play football with decapitated heads of their enemies. They have live murder events in stadiums. They are bunch of uneducated, goat f kers, high on drugs, murderers.

Why anyone thinks these people will keep their side of the deal is beyond me.

 

[Sehwag231]

Air India flight has landed

 

[Knowitall]

 

[sajobajo]

Must not be hard to find enough lampposts at the airport itself.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

Not being allowed to take off by whom?

 

[nWo 4 Life]

Must not be hard to find enough lampposts at the airport itself.

Maybe not all, but some of them will definitely die. The Talibs need to find a way to satisfy their bloodlust.

 

[Stalingrad]

#BREAKING Russia says emergency UN Security Council meeting on Afghanistan is planned: official https://t.co/AVjINIFFIO

Lol, for what? Declaring pissfull takeover officially...

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

We are probably waiting to get permission from taliban.

 

[TejasMK3]

RUMINT: Ghani has resigned and has left the city.
Russia is Calling an emergency UN Security Council meeting on AF

 

[FalconSlayers]

Usa said 90 days, they did it in a few days.
Kabul has officially fallen.