Taliban claims responsibility for Pak mosque bombing that killed 50

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The Pakistani Taliban on Saturday claimed responsibility for a devastating suicide attack on a mosque in the Khyber tribal agency that killed over 50 people, saying it was carried out in retaliation for local resistance against the militants.


People look at a child killed in a suicide blast in Ghundi, in the Pakistani tribal area of Khyber on Friday.

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan spokesman Muhammad Talha said in a statement that Friday's attack was directed against the Kukikhel tribe, whose members killed two militants recently.

Talha claimed the tribesmen had also destroyed three Taliban hideouts in the area.

A teenage suicide bomber blew himself up in the Jamia Masjid in Jamrud area of Khyber tribal agency after Friday prayers, killing more than 50 people and injuring more than 120. :(

The bombing was one of the worst terrorist attacks in recent months.

A tribal elder in Jamrud area said Taliban fighters had come to the mosque over a week ago to recruit new members.

Local residents refused to joined them and said they would not support the Taliban or the Lashkar-e-Islam, another militant group operating in Khyber.


Witnesses said that when the bomber entered the mosque on Friday, he shouted: "Who will throw me out of the area now?"

Over 250 people were in the mosque when the blast occurred.

The Hindu : News / International : Taliban claims responsibility for Pak mosque bombing
 
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Why is it not surprising?

The Taliban call themselves "staunch, orthodox" muslims, and they blow up bombs in mosques and and kill people.
 

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Why is it not surprising?

The Taliban call themselves "staunch, orthodox" muslims, and they blow up bombs in mosques and and kill people.
These mosques and muslims are not islamic according to Taliban, perhaps. According to my understanding, once someone is not islamic but pretends to be so, islam sanctions, jihad against such people...
 

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They are killing muslims because now they are collectively refusing to join militant groups.

And this is jihad?
 

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These mosques and muslims are not islamic according to Taliban, perhaps. According to my understanding, once someone is not islamic but pretends to be so, islam sanctions, jihad against such people...

And who decides who is Islamic or not and under what authority? When someone self styles himself/itself as one and then goes about killing people, we call them terrorists.
 

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And who decides who is Islamic or not and under what authority? When someone self styles himself/itself as one and then goes about killing people, we call them terrorists.
On the other hand, if they had some learned Mullah(islamic priest) backing their belief, would their murder and mayhem be justified?
 

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Who are Taliban to decide muslims and non muslims? Who are Taliban to deliver death to the ones they deem non muslims?
It isn't an open field war and yet I see kids lying dead. Disgusting :mad2: How can Taliban even call this collateral damage !!
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On the other hand, if they had some learned Mullah(islamic priest) backing their belief, would their murder and mayhem be justified?
A true mullah will not do that in the first place. If he does, then he is not a true mullah and misguiding others as well.
 

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Who are Taliban to decide muslims and non muslims? Who are Taliban to deliver death to the ones they deem non muslims?
It isn't an open field war and yet I see kids lying dead. Disgusting :mad2: How can Taliban even call this collateral damage !!
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You say that Taliban is not in a position to decide who is muslim and who is non-muslim. Then you would be asked, who according to you is the proper authority? And if that authority were to support Taliban, would you condone(or even support) Taliban's actions?
 

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You say that Taliban is not in a position to decide who is muslim and who is non-muslim. Then you would be asked, who according to you is the proper authority? And if that authority were to support Taliban, would you condone(or even support) Taliban's actions?
No one will dictate to the others whether they are real muslim or hindu or likewise.
Nobody has the authority to issue such a certificate. Nobody needs such a certificate.
Whether you are a muslim or hindu or none has nothing to do with how deserving you are to live.

Why would someone want to find out whether everyone else is real muslim or not? What purpose does it serve?
If anyone has anything to do with such a practice it would be God. Only he would judge.
Religion is anyways a matter of individual practice. It has been politicized and Taliban are no different in this evil. They are the worse I believe, because they are literally killing people.
 
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Saleem Khan, 21, said people panicked after the blast, and that amid the smoke, cries and blood, several ran over him when he fell."Whoever did it in the holy month of Ramadan cannot be a Muslim," he said from a hospital bed in the main northwest city of Peshawar.

"It is the cruelest thing any Muslim would do." TV footage from the scene showed a heavily damaged building. Prayer caps, shoes and green prayer mats were scattered across a blood-splattered floor, while ceiling fans were twisted and walls blackened. Men comforted a young boy who wept as he held his hand to his heart.The attack appeared to be the deadliest since twin bombings in mid-June killed around 40 people in Peshawar.
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A true mullah will not do that in the first place. If he does, then he is not a true mullah and misguiding others as well.
Thats a very convenient definition: True mullah wont do what I dont want him to do. If he does, he is not true mullah.
Compare your definition of mullah to the definition of muslim from Taliban's perspective: A true muslim wont do what we dont want him to do. If he does, he is not true muslim.

How is your definition different from that of Taliban? And is your view supported by Islam(the corollary question: who is the authority to decide what is true islam)?
 

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No one can call himself the leader of the faith in todays world. Neither for Christians, or Hindus or Muslims.

For Mulsims, The Quran is what is the truth and should be followed. But todays people twist the meaning of Quran to suit their agenda. No one can call himself leader of the faith.
 

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No one will dictate to the others whether they are real muslim or hindu or likewise.
Nobody has the authority to issue such a certificate. Nobody needs such a certificate.
Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism, Atheism, ...etc etc are irrelevent in this thread.

Anyway, there is always a proper authority which has the power to decide and others would have to follow that. If you say X has no authority on this issue, then the question who is the proper authority.

Whether you are a muslim or hindu or none has nothing to do with how deserving you are to live.
That is your view. The view of Taliban, they claim, is guided by their religion which sanctions them to wage a jihad(holy war) against all those who do not believe in their religion or those who are pretenders. It is their claim. If we reject their claim, then it must be based on some other proper authority of Islam...
 

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No one can call himself the leader of the faith in todays world. Neither for Christians, or Hindus or Muslims.

For Mulsims, The Quran is what is the truth and should be followed. But todays people twist the meaning of Quran to suit their agenda. No one can call himself leader of the faith.
Is their any authority recognised in Islam that can issue Fatwas? Does Quran and Hadiths support Fatwa issuing by proper authority? Is there no mention of any proper authory as per Quran and Hadiths?

As for the argument that in modern age there is no authority on faith, one can argue that it is only the less-believing who harbour such views. An atheist would say that in modern age religions are withering away into agnosticness, lack of abiding to religious authority is a sign in that direction and soon atheism would triumph.
 

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Johnee,

Lets keep aside Taliban's philosophy for a moment.

What's your view? Are you defending this attack which killed 50+ innocents including children when they were offering prayers of ramdan in majid?
 

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Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism, Atheism, ...etc etc are irrelevent in this thread.

Anyway, there is always a proper authority which has the power to decide and others would have to follow that. If you say X has no authority on this issue, then the question who is the proper authority.

That is your view. The view of Taliban, they claim, is guided by their religion which sanctions them to wage a jihad(holy war) against all those who do not believe in their religion or those who are pretenders. It is their claim. If we reject their claim, then it must be based on some other proper authority of Islam...
I'm not a prophet but I haven't come across any such preaching of Kuran that those who do not believe in our religion should be killed. They have super flared the call to fight non believers of God into the call to kill non followers of Islam. There is a huge difference between the two.
Everyone is free to have his/her own faith. One cannot kill the other because they bank on a different faith.

By the way, who appointed Taliban as the front runners of Islam? Who certified Taliban as muslims?
Everyone is interpreting a book according to their own intellect and aims and are going to the extent of killing people. Why, because you think a book gives you the authority to do so? That's pathetic.
I wonder where the common sense and basic human compassion went in all this.
 
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Johnee,

Lets keep aside Taliban's philosophy for a moment.

What's your view? Are you defending this attack which killed 50+ innocents including children when they were offering prayers of ramdan in majid?
I am not interested in condemning one incident or one individual or one group. I am interested in deeper motivations that drive people to commit such horrendous crimes on fellow beings. I believe that unless the ideology that drives the men is not extinguished, horde after horde will continue to do exactly what they have been doing.
 

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