Sustainable World: Population based on Resource Sufficiency Evaluation

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Don't think you can control the population in a democratic country and I would not want to live in a country where the government controlled the population such as China.

hmmmm, look,every problem has a solution, and except Muslims, almost every community of world dont like more than 2 kids, on average...

and with a bottom line fact that every problem of world has a solution,one solution i have advised by population tax on every second onward kids, it does check capability of a family to have more than one kid, can they pay for it???

have a look on the state of Pakistani+Bangladeshi Muslims in UK,Canada as below. and only reason behind their so poor state, the big family and hence receive welfare in return.... :facepalm:

we must have a "capability check" of a family/couple,before they want even the first kid,in terms of "Population Tax" which must be same for the people of whole world :thumb:

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced. :tsk:

bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM%20-poverty-report.pdf
State of the nation report: poverty, worklessness and welfare dependency in the UK
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dawn.com/news/718842/pakistani-canadians-falling-below-the-poverty-line
Pakistan-born immigrants are the new face of poverty in urban Canada. The Canadian census revealed that 44 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants fell below the poverty line making them the second most poverty prone group of immigrants in Canada.
 

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@santosh10 , I believe that number of kids is directly proportional to the level of education of bot the parents.

We have seen in developed countries, with higher education levels and better lifestyle, the population actually drops.
 
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@santosh10 , I believe that number of kids is directly proportional to the level of education of bot the parents.

We have seen in developed countries, with higher education levels and better lifestyle, the population actually drops.

there are many issues behind population reduction in developed nations, one among them is the fall in family values. hence singles, males-females both, may have more a free life with a kid this way....

high population growth is mainly seen in Muslim countries, as even if you have a look on the countries like Sri Lanka, Japan, Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam type Asian countries, there is no sign of population increase. similar to Hindu community of India :ranger:

also, we find immigrants of developing countries in US/UK/Aus much more educated/highly qualified as compare to the locals of US/UK/Aus. so there are enough reasons to believe, more educated people are product of families, with an exemption of Muslims.... :thumb:
 
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Basic fact gora are small percent but take a lot.

If we reduce gora population to 0, we will have enough resources. :)
 

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ray sir, you would also come with some ideas here. how would you answer the post#6 of this thread, all my own ideas, my own way of thinking. so i do need something from you people to further revise this post#6....
//defenceforumindia.com/forum/economy-infrastructure/64029-sustainable-world-population-based-resource-sufficiency-evaluation.html#post955556
how would you like to respond my post#7 too? :ranger:
 
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Great thread... Humans need to come to terms with the fact that the conditions under which we've evolved our reproductive habits no longer apply in modern civilization. We need to adapt as a species to correct our population growth as necessary to maintain pace with what our infrastructure and ecology of our world can sustain.

All nations need intelligent family planning programs.

We Must Avoid a Breaking Point on Population Increase


there is a Breaking Point, and soon we may arrive there. there are few basic points as below in this regard:- :tup:

1st; we want Population to be based on the "resources sufficiency evaluation" within a certain country. as higher consumption of natural resources in high population density countries, and then its higher prices is applied to the whole world. whether high consumption of metal, oil/gas, coal, including high demand of food from China, as we saw recently, its all means for its higher prices for the people of whole world. hence, you just can't increase population as a domestic issue :nono:


2nd; high energy consumption in the high population density countries, hence higher green house emission this way, which again affects the climate of whole world.
for example, if the small population but big land area countries like Australia adopt green house reduction measures, then it has a limited meaning if high population density countries emitting more Carbon, hence its effects on the climate of the whole world, hence affecting all the countries of world this way.

3rd; there is a "breaking point", Indian Middle Class may arrive while feeding people below poverty line by hefty subsidy etc., who pay taxes to run the government, pay for other expenses and building infrastructure of this country, and its not because high population would then destroy the whole country ....
similarly, its not the Middle Class of rest of the world who pay taxes to feed people below poverty line in India, hence they are also responsible to help India stop illegal entry of very poor illiterates coming from Bangladesh, where people just fcuk and throw their shiits to the Indian borders, to grow on the money of Indian Middle class :tsk:

while consequences of import of Islamic Fanatic people from Bangladesh has its own effects on India, the nation, as whole

4th; we also want "Population Tax" on every second child taking birth in a family, which must be same for the people of whole world. the Population Tax to be denoted to the World Bank/Climate Change organizations to reduce its effect on the Climate as whole. i mean, you first need to pay for, before taking birth, and higher Tax on the 3rd and 4th Child, to first have a "capability check" of a family, whether they may bear expanses of a kid or not...

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"Science Summit" on World Population:

A Joint Statement by 58 of the World's Scientific Academies

In a follow-up to several recent initiatives by assemblies of scientists and scientific academies, most notably one taken by the Royal Society of London and the US National Academy of Sciences that resulted in a joint statement, "Population Growth, Resource Consumption, and a Sustainable World, '' issued in February 1992 (see Documents, PDR, June 1992), representatives of national academies of science from throughout the world met in New Delhi, 24-27 October 1993, at a ''Science Summit'' on World Population. The participants issued a statement, signed by representatives of 58 academies. The statement offers a wide-ranging if ex cathedra-style discussion of population issues related to development, notably on the determinants of fertility and concerning the effect of demographic growth on the environment and the quality of life. It also sets forth policy propositions, with emphasis on contributions that ''scientists, engineers, and health professionals'' can make to the solution of population problems. The statement finds that ''continuing population growth poses a great risk to humanity, '' and proposes a demographic goal, albeit with a rather elusive specification of a time frame: "In our judgement, humanity's ability to deal successfully with its social, economic, and environmental problems will require the achievement of zero population growth within the lifetime of our children. '' The text of the academies ' statement is reproduced below.

The New Delhi meeting was convened by a group of 15 academies "to explore in greater detail the complex and interrelated issues of population growth, resource consumption, socioeconomic development, and environmental protection.'' One of the convening organizations, the Nairobi-based African Academy of Sciences, declined to sign the joint statement, issuing, instead, one of its own. The text of this statement is reproduced below as the second Documents item appearing in this issue. Other academies that did not participate in the New Delhi meeting, or did not choose to sign the joint statement (whether for substantive or procedural reasons), included academies of Ireland, Italy, Japan, Singapore, and Spain, and the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. Notwithstanding the African Academy dissent, representatives of six African national academies, among them four from countries of sub-Saharan Africa (Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria, and Uganda) were among the fifty-eight signatories.


The growing world population

The world is in the midst of an unprecedented expansion of human numbers. It took hundreds of thousands of years for our species to reach a population level of 10 million, only 10,000 years ago. This number grew to 100 million people about 2,000 years ago and to 2.5 billion by 1950. Within less than the span of a single lifetime, it has more than doubled to 5.5 billion in 1993.

This accelerated population growth resulted from rapidly lowered death rates (particularly infant and child mortality rates), combined with sustained high birth rates. Success in reducing death rates is attributable to several factors: increases in food production and distribution, improvements in public health (water and sanitation) and in medical technology (vaccines and antibiotics), along with gains in education and standards of living within many developing nations.

Over the last 30 years, many regions of the world have also dramatically reduced birth rates. Some have already achieved family sizes small enough, if maintained, to result eventually in a halt to population growth. These successes have led to a slowing of the world's rate of population increase. The shift from high to low death and birth rates has been called the "demographic transition."

The rate at which the demographic transition progresses worldwide will determine the ultimate level of the human population. The lag between downward shifts of death and birth rates may be many decades or even several generations, and during these periods population growth will continue inexorably. We face the prospect of a further doubling of the population within the next half century. Most of this growth will take place in developing countries.

Consider three hypothetical scenarios* for the levels of human population in the century ahead:

Fertility declines within sixty years from the current rate of 3.3 to a global replacement average of 2.1 children per woman. The current population momentum would lead to at least 11 billion people before leveling off at the end of the 21st century.

Fertility reduces to an average of 1.7 children per woman early in the next century. Human population growth would peak at 7.8 billion persons in the middle of the 21st century and decline slowly thereafter.

Fertility declines to no lower than 2.5 children per woman. Global population would grow to 19 billion by the year 2100, and to 28 billion by 2150.

The actual outcome will have enormous implications for the human condition and for the natural environment on which all life depends.


Key determinants of population growth

High fertility rates have historically been strongly correlated with poverty, high childhood mortality rates, low status and educational levels of women, deficiencies in reproductive health services, and inadequate availability and acceptance of contraceptives. Falling fertility rates and the demographic transition are generally associated with improved standards of living, such as increased per capita incomes, increased life expectancy, lowered infant mortality, increased adult literacy, and higher rates of female education and employment.

Even with improved economic conditions, nations, regions, and societies will experience different demographic patterns due to varying cultural influences. The value placed upon large families (especially among underprivileged rural populations in less developed countries who benefit least from the process of development), the assurance of security for the elderly, the ability of women to control reproduction, and the status and rights of women within families and within societies are significant cultural factors affecting family size and the demand for family planning services.

Even with a demand for family planning services, the adequate availability of and access to family planning and other reproductive health services are essential in facilitating slowing of the population growth rate. Also, access to education and the ability of women to determine their own economic security influence their reproductive decisions.


Population growth, resource consumption, and the environment

Throughout history and especially during the twentieth century, environmental degradation has primarily been a product of our efforts to secure improved standards of food, clothing, shelter, comfort, and recreation for growing numbers of people. The magnitude of the threat to the ecosystem is linked to human population size and resource use per person. Resource use, waste production and environmental degradation are accelerated by population growth. They are further exacerbated by consumption habits, certain technological developments, and particular patterns of social organization and resource management.

As human numbers further increase, the potential for irreversible changes of far reaching magnitude also increases. Indicators of severe environmental stress include the growing loss of biodiversity, increasing greenhouse gas emissions, increasing deforestation worldwide, stratospheric ozone depletion, acid rain, loss of topsoil, and shortages of water, food, and fuel-wood in many parts of the world. :facepalm:

While both developed and developing countries have contributed to global environmental problems, developed countries with 85 percent of the gross world product and 23 percent of its population account for the largest part of mineral and fossil-fuel consumption, resulting in significant environmental impacts. With current technologies, present levels of consumption by the developed world are likely to lead to serious negative consequences for all countries. This is especially apparent with the increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide and trace gases that have accompanied industrialization, which have the potential for changing global climate and raising sea level.

In both rich and poor countries, local environmental problems arise from direct pollution from energy use and other industrial activities, inappropriate agricultural practices, population concentration, inadequate environmental management, and inattention to environmental goals. When current economic production has been the overriding priority and inadequate attention has been given to environmental protection, local environmental damage has led to serious negative impacts on health and major impediments to future economic growth. Restoring the environment, even where still possible, is far more expensive and time consuming than managing it wisely in the first place; even rich countries have difficulty in affording extensive environmental remediation efforts.


The relationships between human population, economic development, and the natural environment are complex. Examination of local and regional case studies reveals the influence and interaction of many variables. For example, environmental and economic impacts vary with population composition and distribution, and with rural-urban and international migrations. Furthermore, poverty and lack of economic opportunities stimulate faster population growth and increase incentives for environmental degradation by encouraging exploitation of marginal resources.

Both developed and developing countries face a great dilemma in reorienting their productive activities in the direction of a more harmonious interaction with nature. This challenge is accentuated by the uneven stages of development. If all people of the world consumed fossil fuels and other natural resources at the rate now characteristic of developed countries (and with current technologies), this would greatly intensify our already unsustainable demands on the biosphere. Yet development is a legitimate expectation of less developed and transitional countries.


The earth is finite
The growth of population over the last half century was for a time matched by similar world-wide increases in utilizable resources. However, in the last decade food production from both land and sea has declined relative to population growth. The area of agricultural land has shrunk, both through soil erosion and reduced possibilities of irrigation. The availability of water is already a constraint in some countries. These are warnings that the earth is finite, and that natural systems are being pushed ever closer to their limits. :facepalm:


Quality of life and the environment

Our common goal is improving the quality of life for all people, those living today and succeeding generations, ensuring their social, economic, and personal well-being with guarantees of fundamental human rights; and allowing them to live harmoniously with a protected environment. We believe that this goal can be achieved, provided we are willing to undertake the requisite social change. Given time, political will, and intelligent use of science and technology, human ingenuity can remove many constraints on improving human welfare worldwide, finding substitutes for wasteful practices, and protecting the natural environment.

But time is short and appropriate policy decisions are urgently needed. The ability of humanity to reap the benefits of its ingenuity depends on its skill in governance and management, and on strategies for dealing with problems such as widespread poverty, increased numbers of aged persons, inadequate health care and limited educational opportunities for large groups of people, limited capital for investment, environmental degradation in every region of the world, and unmet needs for family planning services in both developing and developed countries. In our judgement, humanity's ability to deal successfully with its social, economic, and environmental problems will require the achievement of zero population growth within the lifetime of our children.


Human reproductive health

The timing and spacing of pregnancies are important for the health of the mother, her children, and her family. Most maternal deaths are due to unsafe practices in terminating pregnancies, a lack of readily available services for high-risk pregnancies, and women having too many children or having them too early and too late in life.

Millions of people still do not have adequate access to family planning services and suitable contraceptives. Only about one-half of married women of reproductive age are currently practicing contraception. Yet as the director-general of UNICEF put it, ''Family planning could bring more benefits to more people at less cost than any other single technology now available to the human race." Existing contraceptive methods could go far toward alleviating the unmet need if they were available and used in sufficient numbers, through a variety of channels and distribution, sensitively adapted to local needs.

But most contraceptives are for use by women, who consequently bear the risks to health. The development of contraceptives for male use continues to lag. Better contraceptives are needed for both men and women, but developing new contraceptive approaches is slow and financially unattractive to industry. Further work is needed on an ideal spectrum of contraceptive methods that are safe, efficacious, easy to use and deliver, reasonably priced, user-controlled and responsive, appropriate for special populations and age cohorts, reversible, and at least some of which protect against sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.

Reducing fertility rates, however, cannot be achieved merely by providing more contraceptives. The demand for these services has to be addressed. Even when family planning and other reproductive health services are widely available, the social and economic status of women affects individual decisions to use them. The ability of women to make decisions about family size is greatly affected by gender roles within society and in sexual relationships. Ensuring equal opportunity for women in all aspects of society is crucial.

Thus all reproductive health services must be implemented as a part of broader strategies to raise the quality of human life. They must include the following:

Efforts to reduce and eliminate gender-based inequalities. Women and men should have equal opportunities and responsibilities in sexual, social, and economic life.

Provision of convenient family planning and other reproductive health services with a wide variety of safe contraceptive options. irrespective of an individual's ability to pay.

Encouragement of voluntary approaches to family planning and elimination of unsafe and coercive practices.

Development policies that address basic needs such as clean water, sanitation, broad primary health care measures and education; and that foster empowerment of the poor and women.

"The adoption of a smaller family norm, with consequent decline in total fertility, should not be viewed only in demographic terms. It means that people, and particularly women, are empowered and are taking control of their fertility and the planning of their lives; it means that children are born by choice, not by chance, and that births are better planned; and it means that families are able to invest relatively more in a smaller number of beloved children, trying to prepare them for a better future."*


Sustainability of the natural world as everyone's responsibility

In addressing environmental problems, all countries face hard choices. This is particularly so when it is perceived that there are short-term tradeoffs between economic growth and environmental protection, and where there are limited financial resources. But the downside risks to the earth—our environmental life support system—over the next generation and beyond are too great to ignore. Current trends in environmental degradation from human activities combined with the unavoidable increase in global population will take us into unknown territory.

Other factors, such as inappropriate governmental policies, also contribute in nearly every case. Many environmental problems in both rich and poor countries appear to be the result of policies that are misguided even when viewed on short-term economic grounds. If a longer-term view is taken, environmental goals assume an even higher priority.

The prosperity and technology of the industrialized countries give them greater opportunities and greater responsibility for addressing environmental problems worldwide. Their resources make it easier to forestall and to ameliorate local environmental problems. Developed countries need to become more efficient in both resource use and environmental protection, and to encourage an ethic that eschews wasteful consumption. If prices, taxes, and regulatory policies include environmental costs, consumption habits will be influenced. The industrialized countries need to assist developing countries and communities with funding and expertise in combating both global and local environmental problems. Mobilizing "technology for environment" should be an integral part of this new ethic of sustainable development.

For all governments it is essential to incorporate environmental goals at the outset in legislation, economic planning, and priority setting; and to provide appropriate incentives for public and private institutions, communities, and individuals to operate in environmentally benign ways. Tradeoffs between environmental and economic goals can be reduced through wise policies. For dealing with global environmental problems, all countries of the world need to work collectively through treaties and conventions, as has occurred with such issues as global climate change and biodiversity, and to develop innovative financing mechanisms that facilitate environmental protection.


What science and technology can contribute toward enhancing the human prospect

As scientists cognizant of the history of scientific progress and aware of the potential of science for contributing to human welfare, it is our collective judgement that continuing population growth poses a great risk to humanity. Furthermore, it is not prudent to rely on science and technology alone to solve problems created by rapid population growth, wasteful resource consumption, and poverty.

The natural and social sciences are nevertheless crucial for developing new understanding so that governments and other institutions can act more effectively, and for developing new options for limiting population growth, protecting the natural environment, and improving the quality of human life.

Scientists, engineers, and health professionals should study and provide advice on:

Cultural, social, economic, religious, educational, and political factors that affect reproductive behavior, family size, and successful family planning.

Conditions for human development, including the impediments that result from economic inefficiencies: social inequalities; and ethnic, class, or gender biases.

Global and local environmental change (affecting climate, biodiversity, soils, water, air), its causes (including the roles of poverty, population growth, economic growth, technology, national and international politics), and policies to mitigate its effects.

Strategies and tools for improving all aspects of education and human resource development, with special attention to women.

Improved family planning programs, contraceptive options for both sexes, and other reproductive health services, with special attention to needs of women; and improved general primary health care, especially maternal and child health care.

Transitions to economies that provide increased human welfare with less consumption of energy and materials.

Improved mechanisms for building indigenous capacity in the natural sciences, engineering, medicine, social sciences, and management in developing countries, including an increased capability of conducting integrated interdisciplinary assessments of societal issues.

Technologies and strategies for sustainable development (agriculture, energy, resource use, pollution control, materials recycling, environmental management and protection).

Networks, treaties, and conventions that protect the global commons.

Strengthened world-wide exchanges of scientists in education, training, and research.


Action is needed now

Humanity is approaching a crisis point with respect to the interlocking issues of population, environment, and development. Scientists today have the opportunity and responsibility to mount a concerted effort to confront our human predicament. But science and technology can only provide tools and blueprints for action and social change. It is the governments and international decision-makers, including those meeting in Cairo next September at the United Nations International Conference on Population and Development, who hold the key to our future. We urge them to take incisive action now and to adopt an integrated policy on population and sustainable development on a global scale. With each year's delay the problems become more acute. Let 1994 be remembered as the year when the people of the world decided to act together for the benefit of future generations.

Reprinted from Population and Development Review, Vol. 20, no. 1 (March 1994):233-238

overpopulation -- NOW A SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS
 

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India's Young Population Higher than China, an Advantage???????

Japanese Growing Old Age Population and its Effects on the Society, China on the same path-

once we discussed, Indian young age population is very high because of high population growth, a good sign. while China soon going to suffer problems due to old aged people, which will be similar to how Japan facing this issue at present. and here i remembered a discussing with my Russians friends once, the country which has been suffering reduction in population,-"what will the Indians do when these young age people will get older after 30-40 years? will you have twice population than today to support them?"-:tsk:
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and then we discussed, "even if a Japanese or Chinese family has one kid, he/she is well educated, well established and can support his/her parents. and if on average 5 to 8 kids taking birth in common families of Bangladesh, over 85% population of Bangladesh suffering from Malnutrition, and 90% of them "generally" keep favoring Islamic fanaticism on different platform, the purpose of their sperms being used, which can't be thrown to Bay of Bengal itself.........

and the people on the world platform ask very first question, "oil prices have risen from $30/barrel in 2003 to $100+/barrel to date because of high demands from high population countries, but why would we pay its high price while sitting in Australia, for example, which is twice bigger to India by size and has population at around 23million, same as the total number of kids taking birth in India every year?"
and its very true about other resources like Iron ore, natural gas, coal etc whose prices are now very high for whole world, just because of high demands from high population countries.......

again here, why would the world gets finally 'finished' one day due to higher Green House Emission by high population countries, just because we can't put a nail over these highly populated countries???? why would the people in other countries pay high price for reduced carbon emission, just because others may keep increasing it due to high population growth, as this is what they can do, as no one can stop them, no matter what?....

(for example, population of India was 341 million in 1947, at the time of freedom, while its well closed to 1.3billion. Population of Pakistan was 34million while its well closed to 200million at present, while population of Bangladesh was around 36million in 1947 and its well over 160million to date....... at the same time minorities are almost finished in Pakistan, with news of Shia-Sunni-Ahmadi Sectarian Wars within Muslims itself there. on the other side, population of Hindus in India reduced from 88% in 1947 to below 80% to date, while that of Muslims in India rose from 8% to 16%+ of total population of India during this period. while the condition of Buddhist and Hindu minorities in Bangladesh is being discussed in the thread as below-):facepalm:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...gs-new-challenge-delhi-police.html#post953493

and also, how long exactly the Indian Middle Class itself may bear Subsidy burden of Indian poor, and whether they will remain capable enough in future too? 50%+ population of India, 650million, is based in Agriculture only, contributing hardly 16% in Indian GDP, while the same output can be well achieved by less than 100million people? even half of the 600million people living in Indian cities just struggle to have a decent life......

we do need to understand the meaning of "Population Based on Resource Sufficiency Evaluation", either today or tomorrow :thumb:
 

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Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society' | The Times

Muhammad the most common baby name in London - The Times of India


A FEW weeks ago in London, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told me that 75 per cent of the terrorist plots aimed at Britain originated in the federally administered tribal areas of Pakistan. Some 800,000 Pakistanis live in Britain.

Religion is the strongest predictor of fertility in Europe.
and there is a difference between Islam and other religions. check, you will find more than half of the Muslim population below age 20. even if you go to Britain/UK, you will find the same result...... :coffee:

over 500 Million+ Muslims are based in South Asia itself. even about India, population of Hindus was well over 88% at the time of freedom, in 1947, while its well below 80% at present...... while about Pakistan, minorities are almost gone, Shia-Sunni-Ahmadies problem there we find now. while state of minorities in Bangladesh is also being discussed in the thread as below :facepalm:

Illegal immigration from Bangladesh has turned Assam explosive | Indian Defence Forum
(the above member Rocky.idf was a Bangladeshi member on a different forum)


Increasing Muslim Population to Fulfill Religious Goals in World

hmmmmm, its widely believed that the countries like Pakistan+Bangladesh are increasing population to fulfill their Islamic Fanaticism interests only.

Population of Pakistan was 34mil in 1947 while that of Bangladesh was around 36mil at the time of freedom in 1947, while now its over 180million+ in Pakistan and over 160million+ in Bangladesh. and all the population increase in these countries is mainly intended to export Islamic Jihad in other countries......

and here we always give example of India, where population of Hindus reduced from 88% in 1947 to less than 80% at present, while that of Muslims increased from 8% to 16%+ to total India's population since 1947 to date.......while about Pakistan, minorities are almost gone, Shia-Sunni-Ahmadies problem there we find now. while state of minorities in Bangladesh is also being discussed in the thread as below :facepalm:

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...minal-gangs-new-challenge-delhi-police-3.html

and when we want to discuss "One Child Policy" of China, then it tells us the story of that country which wants to build itself, but doesn't want others to get problem from Chinese people. "Having only as much population as it may be fed by the limited resources, the China has." the topic of this thread. :thumb:

while that of Muslim population is mainly meant to export Islamic fanaticism to other countries, the reason even if population of Bangladesh is more than the largest country of world, Russia, Bangladesh even import a third of the food for its population also, they don't want to stop population growth, for the purpose to achieve their religious goals. even if Bangladesh falls among the Least Developed Countries, having enough support from rest of the world too this way....

and if you want to build your own country, you may do anything within, good or bad, but if you are increasing Muslim population just to create problems for the non-Islamic states of world, we have a reason to ask, "WHY?"

what exactly these highly populated Muslim countries are intended in this world, we do have a reason to get to know :thumb:

for example, population of Australia is less than 25million, while its a quite big country with hefty resources. and here, they do have a reason to ask, what others are doing in this world? would Christian states also increase Christian population to have competition with others, or, others would learn something in this regard?

=> population update:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html
 

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We must see through the overpopulation game played by the White Races. The Whites are dwindling in numbers. They are frightened at the prospects of being overtaken by the Non-Whites.

They say societies/cultures loose their identity and eventually existence with a fertility rate below 2.11. Look at the attachment. The White Man is concerned.At this trend USA will have 50 mlln Muslims in 50 years.
(the above rocky is a Bangladeshi member on a different forum.)
@Ray

rocky, how would you look on this news on the British national party's website as below?
State of the nation report: poverty, worklessness andwelfare dependencyin the UK

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (Religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced. :facepalm:

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Unemployment rates also vary significantly between ethnic minorities. For example, the ethnic minority group with the lowest unemployment rates is Indians (6.8%),and the highest rate is among Pakistanis (19.0%), compared with an average unemployment rate among ethnic minorities of 12.8%. Black African workless household rates are 36%, more than double the national average.

http://bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM -poverty-report.pdf
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How Immigration Has Impoverished Britain:

75% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Children Live in Poverty

Claims that immigration is economically beneficial for Britain have been destroyed by news that three-quarters of Pakistani and Bangladeshi children in the UK are being brought up in families that are living on poverty-level income.

The report, issued by Millennium Cohort Study, which is tracking children born between 2000 and 2002, has found that 73 per cent of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi seven-year olds were in families estimated to be living on less than 60 per cent of the average national household income.

Just over half of the black children (51 percent) in the Millennium cohort were in such low-income families, compared with one in four white (26 percent) and Indian (25percent) children, said an official press release.

Predictably, low income was strongly linked to joblessness among parents, say researchers at the Institute of Education, University of London, who collected information from almost 14,000 families in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2008/9.

According to the report, among fathers, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had the highest unemployment rate (15 percent) well above the UK average of 6 per cent. Unemployment among black fathers was also high (11 percent) but Indians were less likely to be unemployed (4 percent) than whites (5.5 percent).

Almost two-thirds (64 percent) of white and Indian mothers had jobs :thumb:, compared with half (52 percent) of black mothers and only 17 per cent of Pakistani and Bangladeshi mothers.

A much higher proportion of children in lone-parent families (63 percent) were living below the study's poverty line than those with married (16percent) or cohabiting (30 percent) parents. :facepalm:

The incidence of income poverty for the Millennium cohort families has not changed appreciably over the first seven years of the children's lives, says Professor Heather Joshi, the study's director.

Despite government efforts to eradicate child poverty almost three in 10 children are still in poor families at age 7. It's particularly disappointing that around one in five seven-year-olds is in severe poverty on incomes below half the national average.

The findings appear in a report published today by the Institute of Education's Centre for Longitudinal Studies: Millennium Cohort Study, Fourth Survey: A User's Guide to Initial Findings. Copies of the report can be downloaded here.




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Who Has Impoverished Britain?

further to the above post#73, Its interested to see that out of total GBP 2,352 remittances outflow from UK, half of it, around GBP 1.16 goes to only 2 countries, Pakistan+Bangladesh. (GBP 533 million+GBP 627 million)

while Bangladesh and Pakistan occupy the seventh and eleventh positions respectively in terms of the global inflow of remittances, while UK is the 14th place remittance receiving country of world :rofl:
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http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/migrant-remittances-and-uk
World Bank data suggest that the UK is a net remittance-receiver

The UK is a receiver as well as a sender of remittances. As shown in Figure 1, the World Bank estimates suggest that since the mid-1990s the UK has been a net-remittance receiver. The main countries from which remittances are sent to the UK include Australia, the United States and Canada (World Bank 2010). Real remittance inflows (inflation adjusted) for the UK have increased by an annual average of 6% since 1989, reaching close to GBP 4,647 million in 2009. However, these inflows represent a small share of the UK GDP (about 0.3% in 2009). The UK occupies the fourteenth place in the world in value of remittances received and the sixth place in Europe.

From 1989 to 2009, remittance outflows from the UK increased by an annual average of about 4% in real terms, reaching close to GBP 2,352 million in 2009.

The UK accounted for around 7% of annual remittances to Bangladesh in 2010 (about GBP 533 million) and about 10% of annual remittances to Pakistan during that year (about GBP 627 million) :ranger:

Bangladesh and Pakistan occupy the seventh and eleventh positions respectively in terms of the global inflow of remittances

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/migrant-remittances-and-uk
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http://bnp.org.uk/news/how-immigration-has-impoverished-britain-75-pakistani-and-bangladeshi-children-“live-poverty”

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Canada put Bangladeshi migrants with Pakistanis, like how it was till 1972, and this is their data's as below:
Pakistani-Canadians: Falling below the poverty line

Pakistan-born immigrants are the new face of poverty in urban Canada. The Canadian census revealed that 44 per cent of Pakistan-born immigrants fell below the poverty line making them the second most poverty prone group of immigrants in Canada.

http://www.dawn.com/news/718842/pak...w-the-poverty-line/?commentPage=1&storyPage=2
 

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rev100, US-UK on crossroad, on 2 ways, on this ongoing crisis:-


today i discussed 2 ways for US-UK from here:-

1st way:

the good character Commonwealth recruitment on the government positions of India are deported back, and the guilty behind serious offences were hanged in the number 10s. means, the guilty were punished, the related actions were taken.

the Bangladeshi and other foreign nationals- the souls occupying bodies of Indian and other civilians of world, were transferred back to kids of their country of origin.
and its only for those who were not found guilty of murdering a certain person to occupy his-her citizenship, wealth, intentionally-purposefully. for the guilty, just take out souls from a occupied bodies, thats it.....
(the causality might be in big number, and i would propose , $2.0billion for those 1.0million Bangladeshi kids, hence around $2,000 per kid a year for their upbringing for the next 20 years from US's government pocket, which would be enough amount for expanses of a kid in hostel of the country like India-Vietnam-Bangladesh-Philippine etc, i think...)

i dont say murdering a a kid below age 4.0years is right, but we may consider them as birds having lived their lives by age 4.0years, similar to life of a bird. and, these people will then grow on their own identity-certificates-signature, with interests in their own areas in schools, will become doctors-engineers-lawyers as per their interest of studies by the next 20 years time... as, how will you use certificates-identity of the person whose body you occupied? you can occupy a body, but not the knowledge-experience-certificates-signature, you dont even have 'memory' of the paper works, he-she did in their life....

(the idea of occupying a kid's body is taken from the usual dreams im given, and its fundamental concept is, "no one wants to die, and the old aged people want a body to survive. neither the world has enough resources to have infinite number of people."
also, its more a government's practice of Australia-UK, like how im told that my mother got body of a kid aged below 4.0years, also on 6th April 2015, when the person, katrina kaif, got a little girl's body.)

(you can't use identity of the person, whose body you occupied, Father Name, Mother Name, Date of Birth etc, neither the name is your, and then left with only an occupied body, which isn't recovered yet, within few days or after a trail.
you can't occupy other's citizenship, by occupying his-her body only, as you can't prove your identity.)


take proper actions against those terrorists, who were using these technologies, hence, were behind murdering civilians of world by occupying their bodies.

this way, which is considered "positive" steps by me, people will be shocked but they would come out of depression after some time, will then back to usual life, finally. as, "the problem is solved", leaving a 'Natural Disaster' behind, say.....

(US-UK can do anything in world, quake-flood-Tsunami etc, handling bodies of people of world too, why would you "promote-support" these serious offences??? would destroying world's climate, as whole, be accepted?)
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2nd way: the Commonwealth recruitment of Bangladeshi origin in particular, India had bitter partition in 1946-47, will maintain their positions in front of common civilians. hence, the offence to occupy Indian government positions from back door under False IDs, will then be successful, while continue serving their handlers based in overseas. as, they all work as spies, in fact...

the occupied bodies will walk in front of common civilians, with occupying wealth of the certain family as whole, by murdering them all. and others around that family's house will watch it....

people will first be shocked, how the whole families are being murdered to occupy citizenship of India and wealth of that family too. and the murders with the occupied bodies, the foreign nationals, are then rewarded for this offence too. who were successful in these attempts......
(it will then give a message to common people as whole, "Kill these occupied bodies and get the wealth for you yourself, which these murderers have occupied by murdering that certain person-whole family....)

have you ever heard, "murdering someone to occupy his-her wealth, citizenship was ever successful? very few,... and can you have a society based on murdering others to occupy other's wealth? it would suddenly break down social structure of a country-society as whole, if its ever justified.

and the whole world will come with some form of response, as, this is the world wide problem now, and the offenders are using those technologies, which were owned by US-UK only for the last 25years+...
while its also understood, US keep many mother and grand mother technologies of these techs, but denying to use them against these serious offences.....

"you will not stop the murders, as you then 'promote' this crimes this way."

the people will then be more worried for the further murders of their family members, will then be united as the world's society as whole for this crimes of murdering civilians of world.....

and in my term, this is the "negative way", as, "the problem has now gone further. with further violence-serious internal conflicts-internal wars between occupied bodies against the locals of a certain country, this way."

im waiting to follow guidelines of government agencies of Australia+US, under a proper security from now onward. would stay here for few days and then move to Italy first, and then would go on world tour, with thanking those politicians of US+UK+Aus who kept me safe enough to date.
its now the world's problem, which will go further from here, or, will stop here after serious causalities-disasters. and US-UK are responsible to be 'honest', as you know what's ongoing and fully capable to capture these terrorists, who are active in murdering world's civilians....
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Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced. :tsk:


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