Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[IndianHawk]

Russians are Snake oil sellers they effectively selling there Bankrupt DSPSu's Shit to Non Nato countries for years

Lol Look at there S-100 series Its Not Proven in combat in any War against Any Nato military Aircrafts Accept once in blue moon against one F117

LOL Israeli's Bomb Syrians And Iranians Like Shit Who cave S-300's cover


Russians Fanboys are delusional country Economy is in Shits its barely hanging to its cold war relics

Even UK And France has More Sophisticated Military assets than Russians.

Only thing Russians has Edge on India is at Submarine tech ,Small arms And ICBM's

that because Of our Own Socialist policies

Russian budgets is indeed limited and hence russian are lagging behind Western nations in many technology fields such as 5th gen fighters aesa radars.

But russian have invested their money on strategic systems which are very capable and real threat to west such as ICBM , hypersonic missile , nuke submarines and s400 and now s500.

These are really advanced systems. Infact su57 will be very capable and advanced fighter once it is operational with new engine and photonic radar.
Although I doubt if photonic radar will come on time given russian lack of funds .

 

[WARREN SS]

Russian budgets is indeed limited and hence russian are lagging behind Western nations in many technology fields such as 5th gen fighters aesa radars.

But russian have invested their money on strategic systems which are very capable and real threat to west such as ICBM , hypersonic missile , nuke submarines and s400 and now s500.

These are really advanced systems. Infact su57 will be very capable and advanced fighter once it is operational with new engine and photonic radar.
Although I doubt if photonic radar will come on time given russian lack of funds .

That is What Makes them unreliable And pulled Towards CCP more.Its Still Need a decade or So for India To be in Place To buy out our own vassal states

 

[IndianHawk]

That is What Makes them unreliable And pulled Towards CCP more.Its Still Need a decade or So for India To be in Place To buy out our own vassal states

Yup they have met a very wrong bet in their relationship with china. That has certainly pushed India towards west.

 

[WARREN SS]

Yup they have met a very wrong bet in their relationship with china. That has certainly pushed India towards west.

What do you think about
Samyukta Electronic Warfare System
is there Any Parallel program for Upgrade project


https://www.drdo.gov.in/programme-samyukta

 

[IndianHawk]

What do you think about
Samyukta Electronic Warfare System
is there Any Parallel program for Upgrade project


https://www.drdo.gov.in/programme-samyukta

Yes 920 crore rupees upgrade project is going on.
Also similar systems are going for navy , iaf .

 

[JBH22]

lol LOL Seriously there No proof its actually Jams AESA Base AEWS
so far its Only good against small time drones

Lol US recent Bombing In Syria Shows how effective this System Actually is

Israeli's had Such systems Since 8 years

If you tell me US bypassed everything and attacked khemin airbase then I will subscribe to your views.
The aerial strikes by US and Israel forms part of their agreement.

What does rifle has to do with ew??
Btw where is russian aesa ?? How many operational aesa jets Russia is currently flying??

Russian radars are all crap then,??

We can do away with them now.is that what you are suggesting
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[WARREN SS]

If you tell me US bypassed everything and attacked khemin airbase then I will subscribe to your views.
The aerial strikes by US and Israel forms part of their agreement.

US By Pass Anything Russians has to offer

So far All there Is Zero Evidence that Russians EW systems actually performed Against And Nato Military Aircrafts in Any war

LOL Wake Me up When S-100 series actually performs against Any Serious military threat
Like F-16,F-15 ,F-35

So far Its only Snake oil for non nato people

 

[WARREN SS]

If you tell me US bypassed everything and attacked khemin airbase then I will subscribe to your views.
The aerial strikes by US and Israel forms part of their agreement.



Russian radars are all crap then,??

We can do away with them now.is that what you are suggesting
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We are actually We opted For Elta And thales group over Russians since last decade
Now Since We are spending Serious Bucks on are Own R&D We are Switching Indigenous ones

 

[Karthi]

Only claims nothing to back it up. Russians are the master in EW systems, anti air defence. They may have problems with engine but with their limited budget they do churn magnificent systems.

India has a lot to bridge tech gap, it's yet to make a rifle just to let you know

Nope QRSAM Radar , Rajendra NG , Various BMD Radars all are GaN . Mayavi EW , D2 EW , Advanced SPJ which is believed to be GaN AESA tech are superior to most of the western and Russian EW systems . But you won't get any fancy articles about those products .

 

[Gerlat]

Nope QRSAM Radar , Rajendra NG , Various BMD Radars all are GaN . Mayavi EW , D2 EW , Advanced SPJ which is believed to be GaN AESA tech are superior to most of the western and Russian EW systems . But you won't get any fancy articles about those products .

Akash mk2. Once it starts deployment, people Stop questions about Indian aesa technology.

 

[JBH22]

US By Pass Anything Russians has to offer

So far All there Is Zero Evidence that Russians EW systems actually performed Against And Nato Military Aircrafts in Any war

LOL Wake Me up When S-100 series actually performs against Any Serious military threat
Like F-16,F-15 ,F-35

So far Its only Snake oil for non nato people

Going by same logic, Saudis should have stopped anything thrown at them. Furthermore, Pakistanis should have rolled into Delhi since they had Patton tanks. The S series in the hands of experienced crew together with a good strategy will make up for lower tech. Going to war with countries that don't spend much on training or even modernisation is not such. A good yardstick.

Russian platform yes have deficiencies same goes for western. India is making progress specially since Namo came, but to say that we have the best EW and radars that's a bit far fetched.

 

[WARREN SS]

Going by same logic, Saudis should have stopped anything thrown at them. Furthermore, Pakistanis should have rolled into Delhi since they had Patton tanks. The S series in the hands of experienced crew together with a good strategy will make up for lower tech. Going to war with countries that don't spend much on training or even modernisation is not such. A good yardstick.

Russian platform yes have deficiencies same goes for western. India is making progress specially since Namo came, but to say that we have the best EW and radars that's a bit far fetched.

You
Ranting to much & showing nothing
And gerrymandering with sentences.

Western nations equipments proved there metal.against
Russian weapons in various wars in last 50 years

Whenever they pitted against the against them.

As for Pattons and also had brirish Centurions
Which infact proved better
Also india adopted better tactics

The huge Advantage PAF had over india in 1965 due Having a Sidewinder equipped Fighters
While india lacked it.

If have You such data for Russians then please put forward.

Or perhaps u leave it.

 

[SARTHAK]

You
Ranting to much & showing nothing
And gerrymandering with sentences.

Western nations equipments proved there metal.against
Russian weapons in various wars in last 50 years

Whenever they pitted against the against them.

As for Pattons and also had brirish Centurions
Which infact proved better
Also india adopted better tactics

The huge Advantage PAF had over india in 1965 due Having a Sidewinder equipped Fighters
While india lacked it.

If have You such data for Russians then please put forward.

Or perhaps u leave it.

i can agree on russian supremacy on air defense systems, missile technologies(not really supremacy) but rest ,mig 21 had initial advantage in vietnam along with russian surface to missile which were successful,soviets were masters of staying in space,even usa took training from them

 

[WARREN SS]

i can agree on russian supremacy on air defense systems, missile technologies(not really supremacy) but rest ,mig 21 had initial advantage in vietnam along with russian surface to missile which were successful

MIGS were destroyed by Phantoms

Indian armed forces always wanted Balanced approach when it comes to.weapons

That why we had gone for Europeans weapons along with Russians. Since start.

Britsh Centurians were used extensively along with
Vickers (vijayanta) which were license produced massively

Why do you think we have jaguars along with
Mig-27 and mig-23

When porkies bought F-16 our first choice was Mirage-2000
But due to KGB and Kremlin needling in South block and Lutyens

We bought mig-29

Read books of Many ex R&AW directors and agents how USSR was Leeching us out and Corrupting our system and Military

Using Honey trapping and other means for getting a deal.

Our nuclear test of 1974 also played a major part in
Our submission to are so called Vodka brothers

 

[SARTHAK]

MIGS were destroyed by Phantoms

Indian armed forces always wanted Balanced approach when it comes to.weapons

That why we gone for Europeans along with Russians.

Britsh Centurians were used extensively along with
Vickers or vijayanta which license produced massively

Why do you think we have jaguars along with
Mig-27 and mig-23

When porkies bought F-16 our first choice was Mirage-2000
But due to KGB and Kremlin needling in South block and Lutyens

We bought mig-29

Read books of Many ex R&AW directors and agents how USSR was Leeching us out and Corrupting our system and Military

Using Honey trapping and other means for getting a deal.

Our nuclear test of 1974 also played a major part in
Our submission to are so called Vodka brothers

i didn't say were very friendly with india ,all superpowers did that with india,but what we were discussing is the tech prowess not the intelligence and foreign diplomacy

 

[WARREN SS]

i didn't say were very friendly with india ,all superpowers did that with india,but what we were discussing is the tech prowess not the intelligence and foreign diplomacy

Well
Unlike Russia
Western nations upgrade there Equipments handsomely
And modernize it and never repeat it.

And they proved in First gulf war

Americans learned from Vietnam
Even though every record shows that they had better statistics compared to there enemies.
In air combat even though mig-21 has Edge being small and swift.

Unlike Russians who are typical approach or authoritative communist regimes like Chinese

That is what gives Democratic nations and edge over authoritarians.

 

[Willy3]

It's so great to learn that we are so done with Ruskies that we are upgrading MKI by our own.

The only issue which we are worried about is engine, but imagine if we aren't compromised in this area in first place and force russian to use superior AL 31 FU like the one used in prototype, we will can add lots of stuff without worrying about power output

 

[IndianHawk]

If you tell me US bypassed everything and attacked khemin airbase then I will subscribe to your views.
The aerial strikes by US and Israel forms part of their agreement.



Russian radars are all crap then,??

We can do away with them now.is that what you are suggesting
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You didn't read my next post did you??

And yes russian are lagging behind in modern aviation electronics that too by a huge margin.

 

[JBH22]

You
Ranting to much & showing nothing
And gerrymandering with sentences.

Western nations equipments proved there metal.against
Russian weapons in various wars in last 50 years

Whenever they pitted against the against them.

As for Pattons and also had brirish Centurions
Which infact proved better
Also india adopted better tactics

The huge Advantage PAF had over india in 1965 due Having a Sidewinder equipped Fighters
While india lacked it.

If have You such data for Russians then please put forward.

Or perhaps u leave it.

Superiority against what?

You send an airforce that is trained and lavishly funded against countries that are under sanctions with virtually no funds. Then you turn and tell me their airforce are superb.
If you stack Rafale versus an old MIG 23 what do you expect.

If I fully subscribe to your views then it's not possible for IAF to achieve the F-16 kill with the MIG 21...

From what I read and understood and may be I'm wrong Russians have acknowledged their fund crunch and chose not to go full tech. Instead cost rationalisation use your scarce budget to fight asymmetric against superior COMBiNeD forces.

A backward nation so to speak cannot deliver armata concept, develop a SU 34 when it's economy was at its lowest in 1990s.

 

[SARTHAK]

btw it was mig 29 which helped india deter f16 in 1999