Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[asianobserve]

Time will let you know. India has been trying to improve capitalization of its banks for some time. Even partial success would be enough to put such a large economy into major league unless we are super unlucky.

But don't get me wrong, i appreciate ambitious programs. Ambition drives success. But i abhor arrogance.

 

[asianobserve]

Our armed forces dont have a history of lying like Pakistanis and their erstwhile allies so we Indians have full faith on our forces ,and we dont care if any foriegner believes our forces or not

I'm not saying the IAF top brass is lying. Like everybody else outside India, I believe verifiable proof is just not there yet. It might come out later.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

But don't get me wrong, i appreciate ambitious programs. Ambition drives success. But i abhor arrogance.

It's human nature. Reaction emerges out of action.
We hate cheerleaders. Moreover, we didn't initiate this ongoing drama on DFI. Some American salesmen did.

India's all problems are reasonable and it won't pursue American jets at all. Sooner you realize, better for you.
Stick to topic, google "DEBATE PYRAMID".

 

[Deathstar]

I'm not saying the IAF top brass is lying. Like everybody else outside India, I believe verifiable proof is just not there yet. It might come out later.

Yup sooner or later truth will come out. Pakistanis accepted their soldiers dead count some 10 years after Kargil war

 

[Deathstar]

THAAD's missile is different from PAC 3. Here's a graphic representation of their missiles:



But THAAD system can be networked with Patriot to create a layered anti bsllistic missile defense system. THAAD interceptor is purely anti ballistic misdile designed to hit the target before it reenters that atmosphere. PAC 3 is lower stmosphere anti ballistic, anti cruise missile and anti aircraft misdile.

Right now PAC3 range outperforms current Patriot radar hence, its better to integrate PAC3 missile with THAAD radar. But upcoming Patriot missile will dolve this shortcoming.

Sir can u tell why Houthis drones are able to attack saudi oil fields hundreds off kms away from Yemeni broder despite all the air defence systems from the US , i believe the Saudis have patriot system defending its strategic sites

 

[Jameson Emoni]

I think we should trade in our Su-30-MKIs for F-35s if that option is available

 

[Bhurki]

I think we should trade in our Su-30-MKIs for F-35s if that option is available

Also trade some F-22 for our jaguars, and while we're at it, why not a dozen B21 raiders.

 

[Wisemarko]

Because the design objective of aargm er is to tackle S400 or inferior systems. How will it take on s500 then?

Btw even S400 is already deployed and exported while this future missile is still in infancy.

If you say so ..................

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Also trade some F-22 for our jaguars, and while we're at it, why not a dozen B21 raiders.

I thought F-22 program was terminated.

 

[asianobserve]

Sir can u tell why Houthis drones are able to attack saudi oil fields hundreds off kms away from Yemeni broder despite all the air defence systems from the US , i believe the Saudis have patriot system defending its strategic sites

Saudis have PAC2 which is optimized for anti aircraft not antiballistic or anticruise missile. PAC3 is a different beast. It's optimized for anti bsllistic and anti cruise missile with secondary role as anti aircraft.

In fact, PAC3 will be the main missile for the US-German MEADS missile system.

 

[Deathstar]

Saudis have PAC2 which is optimized for anti aircraft not antiballistic or anticruise missile. PAC3 is a different beast. It's optimized for anti bsllistic and anti cruise missile with secondary role as anti aircraft.

In fact, PAC3 will be the main missile for the US-German MEADS missile system.

Okay it has PAC2 which is anti aircraft yet drones are able to attack oil fields hundreds of kms away?failure of the system???how can Drones go undetected for such long time?

 

[Bhurki]

I thought F-22 program was terminated.

Ok, i don't know if you're trolling or you really meant that.
MKI is an old bird.
F35 is a trillion dollar nugget.
We'll probably need to upgrade to super sukhoi standard to even stand a chance.

 

[asianobserve]

Okay it has PAC2 which is anti aircraft yet drones are able to attack oil fields hundreds of kms away?failure of the system???how can Drones go undetected for such long time?

Saudis need more training perhaps? Or they still have inadequate defensive infra to take on the kind of attacks that Houthis and Iranians are doing. We just don't know. But for every successful attack how many do u think are stopped?

 

[Deathstar]

Saudis need more training perhaps? Or they still have inadequate defensive infra to take on the kind of attacks that Houthis and Iranians are doing. We just don't know. But for every successful attack how many do u think are stopped?

Thats right , failures are perhaps highlighted while successss go under the rug

 

[su35]

Saudis need more training perhaps? Or they still have inadequate defensive infra to take on the kind of attacks that Houthis and Iranians are doing. We just don't know. But for every successful attack how many do u think are stopped?

So all your fancy comparison remains only in brochure and videos. Success depends on operator training and battlefield environment.

 

[asianobserve]

Thats right , failures are perhaps highlighted while successss go under the rug

I'm reading the book Thinking Fast and Slow and how our brain by evolution is more attuned to picking up and highlighying badboccurences more than good ones. This allowed us to survive in the wilderness before but now it's creating biases. So notice news reports will almost always report bad news.

But u cannot deny the successes of Houthis and Iranians.

 

[Wisemarko]

Okay it has PAC2 which is anti aircraft yet drones are able to attack oil fields hundreds of kms away?failure of the system???how can Drones go undetected for such long time?

Houthis have penetrated Patriot system multiple times. There is no air defense system that cannot be penetrated and Patriot is not an exception.
Read more:
Source WSJ
Iran-Allied Houthis Expose Holes in Saudi Arabia’s Missile Defense
Rebels fighting Saudi-led coalition in Yemen have stepped up their attacks as the U.S.-Iran confrontation has escalated

A missile launched at Saudi Arabia by Yemen's Houthis is displayed at a Saudi military base, Al-Kharj, on June 21. PHOTO: STEPHEN KALIN/REUTERS
By Jared Malsin

CAIRO—Yemen’s Houthi rebels have accelerated missile and drone attacks on Saudi Arabia in recent weeks, highlighting the kingdom’s military vulnerabilities in defending itself against an Iranian ally amid a crisis in U.S.-Iran relations.

The Houthis have executed 10 missile or drone attacks since April on Saudi airports, a desalination plant, a major oil pipeline and other targets, escalating fighting on a key front in the regionwide confrontation between U.S. and Iran. The Houthi attackshave occurred around the same time as the tanker attacks in the Gulf of Oman that the U.S. has blamed on Iran.

The Houthi attacks have put a spotlight on the missile defenses of Saudi Arabia. The country’s military is one of the best equipped globally thanks to the world’s third-largest military budget, with hundreds of billions of dollars spent on fighter planes, tanks and other military hardware. But the kingdom’s American-made Patriot missile-defense system has a mixed record when it comes to intercepting projectiles from Yemen and isn’t primarily designed for repelling drones.

The Saudi government has claimed their defenses have been successful in the past, such as in March 2018 when the kingdom said its Patriots successfully intercepted seven Scud missiles fired by the Houthis. Videos published on social media, however, showed Saudi Patriot systems misfiring during the incident, including one that made a U-turn and plunged to the ground.

 

[Megalomaniac]

That's how modern air combat is won, by attacking the enemy without the enemy predicting or anticipating your attack. We are no longer in medieval combat where opposing forces face each other before combat.

Now it's look first and shoot first, preferrably without being seen doing it. That's why major air forces are investing in 5th gen tech.

I said that just to show you that F-16s didn't fire AAMRAMs to put MKI in defensive position which you were claiming.

 

[Megalomaniac]

You know there's really no verifiable evidence about this claim . None of tye major defense anslysts or defense publications have proven it. Perhsps more evidemce will come out in the future.

There is enough evidence. But like Pak army, you don't want to believe it because of your West loving mentality. It doesn't matter what you believe or not.

 

[asianobserve]

There is enough evidence. But like Pak army, you don't want to believe it because of your West loving mentality. It doesn't matter what you believe or not.

Oh please. No weapon is invincinble no matter how advanced given the right tactic, mistake of opponent and chance. That's why even F117 was shot down. So it's perfectfly natural for F-16 to get shot down. In fact, in Red Flag F-5s, A-4s routinely shot down F-16s, F-15 and F-18s.

What we do not have here is verifiable evidence. But rest assured that if it did happen then the evidence will eventuslky come out in the future.