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You don't believe that the Americans by now already have kinetic and non-kinetic tools to neutralize S-400? I believe that even the French can neutralize an S-400 battery if needed. The same goes with Israelis.
List these tools and these technologies in detail . Where they are operational now or when will these be operational. Believes doesn't go far in battlefield. USA believed it will win in Afghanistan and topple Assad in Syria. Yet on both counts USA has been humiliated due to false belief.
 

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First, I do not recall the USAF or USN declaring that they have neutralized S-400 already. They are too professional to engage in such useless jongoism. They have capabilities that only they know at the moment much like how the World was unaware of F-117 for a decade.

But the Chinese and Russians, well jingoism is in their DNA. They would always claim to conquer the stars and heavens at every turn.
Russian development satellite before USA. Russian deployed hypersonic weapons before USA. Russian have supersonics cruise much faster than anything USA got.

That f117 was shot down way to easily for they hype of stealth than American claimed.

Can the mighty most advanced USAF explain how a stealth f117 was shot down by an even obsolete weapons !!
 

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Russian development satellite before USA. Russian deployed hypersonic weapons before USA. Russian have supersonics cruise much faster than anything USA got.

That f117 was shot down way to easily for they hype of stealth than American claimed.

Can the mighty most advanced USAF explain how a stealth f117 was shot down by an even obsolete weapons !!
The Serbans used L Band radars, approximation of bombing targets, timing when bomb doors were open to increase RCS of F 117 and some elbow grease.
 

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Looks like the Su 30 MKI and the MiG 29 UPG have received R 27ER1 (100 Km) and R 27ET1 (80 Km) missiles to hold the fort till Rafale arrives with Meteor missiles (150 Km). The testing of these new extended range missiles was carried out in June with the contract being signed in July.

The sources said the R-27R1/ER1 and R-27T1/ET1 variants, which are fitted with semi-active and passive infrared seekers, would arm the IAF’s Sukhoi Su-30MKI and upgraded MiG-29M fighters. Moreover, they said that the R-77 and R-73 AAMs would also be carried by the IAF’s MiG-21 ‘Bison’ fighters.
https://www.janes.com/article/90192...ssia-for-1-000-additional-air-to-air-missiles

Indian Air Force (IAF) successfully test fired a Russian air-to-air missile on June 19.

The missile fired from frontline combat aircraft Sukhoi-30 MKI destroyed a target drone off Odisha coast.

Defence sources said the short-range air-to-air missile was fired from the fighter aircraft as part of a user trial. The exercise was aimed at gauging the killing efficiency of the weapon system.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...une-19-1992547.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in

R 27ER1

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/r-27er1/

R 27ET1

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/r-27et1/

Meteor Missile

India has bought a package of the European Meteor missiles along with the Rafales and may prove to be game changers due to their beyond-visual-range striking capability of close to 150 km, security forces sources have told Mail Today.
https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-toda...nemies-with-meteor-missile-1109759-2017-12-18
 

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The Serbans used L Band radars, approximation of bombing targets, timing when bomb doors were open to increase RCS of F 117 and some elbow grease.
Have you guys noticed that the "Stealth" aircraft only enter the picture after the airspace is sanitized by tomahawks and low flying apaches taking out the AD network. That is why need nirbhay.
 

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Have you guys noticed that the "Stealth" aircraft only enter the picture after the airspace is sanitized by tomahawks and low flying apaches taking out the AD network. That is why need nirbhay.
We have an upcoming 800 km BrahMos missile.

"Technically, there is a possibility to extend the BrahMos flight range to 800km. We have already tested our missile to a range of 400km. The launch was successful. Today we are considering getting permissions from India and Russia on further extending the flight range of the BrahMos missile. Technically, it is possible to extend the flight range to 800km and this is the task we face," he told Russian news agency TASS on Wednesday at MAKS-2019, the international aviation and space salon in Zhukovsky, near Russian capital Moscow.
https://zeenews.india.com/india/bra...personic-version-being-developed-2230891.html

The 500 km version is ready. This will suffice till the Nirbhay is online

"India has successfully test-fired a vertical deep dive version of BrahMos, the world's fastest supersonic cruise missile, that can now change the dynamics of conventional warfare... The upgraded version of the missile with enhanced range of up to 500 km is also ready," he said.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...of-brahmos-aerospace/articleshow/70117273.cms
 
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He is an American diehard who think f-14 tomcat TOPGUNS beating a generation behind planes will continue forever and TOPGUN like FULLY AMERICAN MOVIES WILL CONTINUE COMING.
Can't accept sukhois beauty, what to say.
He want to say su-30 mki was brought down in balakot but can't say it knowing everybody here will then start asking meaningful questions to him.
This thinking of pakistani military superiority over Indians in American mindset don't know when it will end.
For the record, I do not say or think that SU-30 was shot down by Pakis and I do not think Pakistan military is not superior to Indian forces.
 

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List these tools and these technologies in detail . Where they are operational now or when will these be operational. Believes doesn't go far in battlefield. USA believed it will win in Afghanistan and topple Assad in Syria. Yet on both counts USA has been humiliated due to false belief.
You are mixing policy and politics with technology. Hence I will focus only on the first sentence. Usually strike against heavily defended targets are done to achieve some objective and a package of offensive weapons is employed. AARGM-ER is one of those. It is capable of striking S-400 from a stand off range (means outside the capabilities of S-400 to engage firing aircraft). A salvo launch of this missile can penetrate heavily defended AD including S-400.
Read more: https://www.defence24.com/aargm-er-anti-radiation-missile-for-the-5th-generation-fighter-aircraft
 

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Do you think the Singaporeans became one of the most accomplished country, with one of the highest per capita GDP, per capita wealth, by being "dumb?"
Do you think we should even discuss anything with dumbo Filipinos who failed their country against all peer Asians despite having so many advantages & head start? Still we are doing.
So stop this judgemental sh!t. Singapore did the right thing but it had strategic location & lucky incidents which weren't availiable to many.
Do you think by in particular the Singaporean Air Force is dumb enough to reveal to India all the capabilities of its most advanced weapons like the F-16 in annual training sorties with Indians? As far as I know Singapore pay for these trainings in India.
Are you dumb enough to actually think that F-16 has extra physics capabilities against other fighters of its class? It's just a reliable & cheaper plane.

F-16 is most advanced only for countries who can't afford better planes. It's an outdated plane in most great & great-middle powers including USA & will be replaced soon.
The Singaporeans perhaps will reveal all the capabilities of their F-16s only at Red Flag or other American dissimilar training programs.
Could you list up a few?
F16s are good but Su30s arent behind either
Su-30 are for different roles & are steps ahead of F-16 at least. Americans may have better planes like F-15, F/A-18 or F-35 but comparing a light strike figher with a heavy one isn't sane.
It's simply a fact that Russian fighters are overall inferior to their American counterparts.
Not always.
American fear of S-400 only means that Americans are never complacent nor jingoistic.
It rather reveals their deceit.
They are always observing their potential adversaries, studying their gears, techs and tactics, and at the same time always trying to find ways at staying ahead.
More appropriately, exactly what I've been saying, strategic partnership talks have always been sweet pills.

They rejected recognition of same India as nuclear power too and oppose it on many fronts. Their ultimate goal is dominance and they will take down even any ally for it.

They aren't the one even allies could trust. Neither British Empire & nor Japan (post WW2).
But the Americans by now have already mapped out the S-400 and has a lot of kinetic and non-kinetic weapons up its sleeve to neutralize stationary S-400. Should the Americans and its allies ever have to go against an enemy with S-400 in a war, you would be well advised not to bet on the S-400 side.
We aren't part of any of your damned blocks. And we'll take any side & use any weapon when we do.

USA doesn't have the dominance it used to enjoy during cold war along with USSR. Lot of nations have caught up.

New SAMs will continue to emerge.
 

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For the record, I do not say or think that SU-30 was shot down by Pakis and I do not think Pakistan military is superior to Indian forces.
 

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Do you think we should even discuss anything with dumbo Filipinos who failed their country against all peer Asians despite having so many advantages & head start? Still we are doing.
So stop this judgemental sh!t. Singapore did the right thing but it had strategic location & lucky incidents which weren't availiable to many.

Are you dumb enough to actually think that F-16 has extra physics capabilities against other fighters of its class? It's just a reliable & cheaper plane.

F-16 is most advanced only for countries who can't afford better planes. It's an outdated plane in most great & great-middle powers including USA & will be replaced soon.

Could you list up a few?

Su-30 are for different roles & are steps ahead of F-16 at least. Americans may have better planes like F-15, F/A-18 or F-35 but comparing a light strike figher with a heavy one isn't sane.

Not always.

It rather reveals their deceit.

More appropriately, exactly what I've been saying, strategic partnership talks have always been sweet pills.

They rejected recognition of same India as nuclear power too and oppose it on many fronts. Their ultimate goal is dominance and they will take down even any ally for it.

They aren't the one even allies could trust. Neither British Empire & nor Japan (post WW2).

We aren't part of any of your damned blocks. And we'll take any side & use any weapon when we do.

USA doesn't have the dominance it used to enjoy during cold war along with USSR. Lot of nations have caught up.

New SAMs will continue to emerge.

That escalated very quickly into country bashing. We'll all I can say is that despite our corruption, crazy leadership, strategic security blunders (like ejecting US bases), we still manage to achieve an almost 30% higher GDP per capita than India, which is not likely to change in the forseeable future.

I say that's not dumb.

The only problem with our country is its aversion to mske the military more powerful by buying newer weapons since we have a bad experience with them since Marcos time. Our military leaders have been corrupted so severely by Marcos that our military's professionalism hasn't recoveted much until now.

The F-16 was designed from the outset as a dogfighter with sevondary attack capabilities (multirole). It is an excellent dogfighter that has kicked F-15 and F-18 a$ses in numerous training dogfights. And with SABR AEASA radar, new avionics, updated EW suite, AIM120D, the brilliant dogfighter will get long range and agile fighting capability even if AWACS are not around.

So if it's only MKI that the new Blk70 has to deal with then you'll be sorely disappointed. Thankfully US and India are allies now.

That's why MKI hss to already have its MLU. It has already becomes obsolete. The only advantages it can claim are agility (what use is it if 40g rated missile can target it first) and powerful PESA radar )which is actually a double edged sword since its massive power means it's also like a massive search light that can be spotted hundreds of miles away while SABR and other AEASA radsrs are skipping frequencies and eluding detection.

As to Singapore's F-16 during Indian training sorties, just remember that the Singaporeans do it to train their pilots in friendly environment and against a variety of platforms. It's not a real war they participate in and thus they will not be showing their F-16s secret cops.
 

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You are mixing policy and politics with technology. Hence I will focus only on the first sentence. Usually strike against heavily defended targets are done to achieve some objective and a package of offensive weapons is employed. AARGM-ER is one of those. It is capable of striking S-400 from a stand off range (means outside the capabilities of S-400 to engage firing aircraft). A salvo launch of this missile can penetrate heavily defended AD including S-400.
Read more: https://www.defence24.com/aargm-er-anti-radiation-missile-for-the-5th-generation-fighter-aircraft

Especislly if S-400 radars are being jammed by F-22, F-35 and Growlers with new NGJ pods. Then swarms of MALD will confuse, jam, and even join in the attack of S-400 radars and supporting SAMs.


Meanwhile, JASSM-ER and JSOW cruise missiles will be fired by B-2s or B-1Bs from stand off distances. SDBs then will make mincemeat of point defence SAMs guarding S-400.

You see the biggest drawback of S-400 is that it's essentially stationary znd thus easier to target. Mobile offensive doctrine is a beast.
 
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That escalated very quickly into country bashing.
No, it was strictly limited to diplomatic bashing of calling out governments for their policy (who is reliable or not) that was eventually brought down to stupid things at multiple instants.
We'll all I can say is that despite our corruption, crazy leadership, strategic security blunders (like ejecting US bases), we still manage to achieve an almost 30% higher GDP per capita than India, which is not likely to change in the forseeable future
As if we don't had same problems, got one of world's poorest country in 1947 (with GDP per capita a fraction of Africa), got balkanized into pieces, didn't even grow in first 40 years of independence and faced major wars from neighbours and geopolitical challenges from great powers.

India yet recovered againsy Phil very fast since late 80s & will surpass Phillipenes too.

As growths of GDP per capita's have been running close and I don't wish to ruin the discussion again given India & Phillipenes are totally different kind of countries, I'm going to stop this freaking drama here.
The only problem with our country is its aversion to mske the military more powerful by buying newer weapons since we have a bad experience with them since Marcos time.
That's actually a positiveyears t. Whom you gonna fight with that military?

We have a crazy neighbor with an economy of roughly around your size who has squeezed itself up investing in military & finally has headed to bankruptcy.
It's stupidity & will to compete with an 11 times bigger country has beard a serious existential threat & diplomatic implications for it. Earlier this country (Pakistan) sometimes in 60s & 70s, was running neck on neck with Four Asian tigers in growth. It's economy is stagnant now for past 30 years & caught a "low income trap".

When your country has to generate wealth, it has to invest where it gets RETURNS & PROFITS. Military doesn't give any direct returns. It's only an investment to protect your assets or favourable status quo.

Unlike crazy US & Russia, China & India have been investing very low percentages of GDP on defence (still defence budgets are large because of economies) and will only grow when transfer & into true high income economies or devleoped countries.
The F-16 was designed from the outset as a dogfighter with sevondary attack capabilities (multirole). It is an excellent dogfighter that has kicked F-15 and F-18 a$ses in numerous training dogfights. And with SABR AEASA radar, new avionics, updated EW suite, AIM120D, the brilliant dogfighter will get long range and agile fighting capability even if AWACS are not around.
The matter is where it would fare against the same class aircrafts that will arrive in upcoming years. F-16 is a 70s aircraft which is being integrated with modern systems today. Why not integrate F-15 & F/A-18 too with same 5th generation weapons to make them 4.5 generation.
So if it's only MKI that the new Blk70 has to deal with then you'll be sorely disappointed.
We aren't going to remain sticked to same planes till block 70 arrives. MKI being another class fighter at default will always continue to outperform F-16 in various aspects.
Thankfully US and India are allies now.
Means we'll get our recognition as P6 nation?
 

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No, it was strictly limited to diplomatic bashing of calling out governments for their policy (who is reliable or not) that was eventually brought down to stupid things at multiple instants.

As if we don't had same problems, got one of world's poorest country in 1947 (with GDP per capita a fraction of Africa), got balkanized into pieces, didn't even grow in first 40 years of independence and faced major wars from neighbours and geopolitical challenges from great powers.

India yet recovered againsy Phil very fast since late 80s & will surpass Phillipenes too.

As growths of GDP per capita's have been running close and I don't wish to ruin the discussion again given India & Phillipenes are totally different kind of countries, I'm going to stop this freaking drama here.

That's actually a positiveyears t. Whom you gonna fight with that military?

We have a crazy neighbor with an economy of roughly around your size who has squeezed itself up investing in military & finally has headed to bankruptcy.
It's stupidity & will to compete with an 11 times bigger country has beard a serious existential threat & diplomatic implications for it. Earlier this country (Pakistan) sometimes in 60s & 70s, was running neck on neck with Four Asian tigers in growth. It's economy is stagnant now for past 30 years & caught a "low income trap".

When your country has to generate wealth, it has to invest where it gets RETURNS & PROFITS. Military doesn't give any direct returns. It's only an investment to protect your assets or favourable status quo.

Unlike crazy US & Russia, China & India have been investing very low percentages of GDP on defence (still defence budgets are large because of economies) and will only grow when transfer & into true high income economies or devleoped countries.

The matter is where it would fare against the same class aircrafts that will arrive in upcoming years. F-16 is a 70s aircraft which is being integrated with modern systems today. Why not integrate F-15 & F/A-18 too with same 5th generation weapons to make them 4.5 generation.

We aren't going to remain sticked to same planes till block 70 arrives. MKI being another class fighter at default will always continue to outperform F-16 in various aspects.

Means we'll get our recognition as P6 nation?

The Philippines actually was one of the most destroyed country in WW2. And then came Marcos, and now crazy Duterte. But we manage to chug along. And i'm optimistic for our future.

As to defense, i disagree. I'm a strong proponent of strong defense. Just look at Singapore, it may be tiny but it cannot simply be bullied. It'll give any super power a black eye until Uncle comes to its help.

As to F-15 and SH modernizations, they're actually getting modernized early.

F-15SA (basis of F-15EX)
The Advanced F-15 brings improved performance, enhanced situational awareness and increased survivability at a lower total life-cycle cost. Avionics advancements include a Digital Electronic Warfare Suite, Fly-By-Wire flight control system, an Infrared Search and Track (IRST) system and Active Electronically Scanned Array radar. Forward and aft cockpits feature advanced displays and Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems.
https://defense-update.com/20150704_f15sa.html




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The Philippines actually was one of the most destroyed country in WW2.
It wasn't as screwed as many like China & India destroyed in civil war & lost millions. Anyways, leave it.
Good luck to your country but stop judgemental sh!t. Depending upon geopolitical scenario, fate of any country can change.

Many of ancient civilizations perished or have been left insignificant while many of them are again rising to re-occupy central spot on world stage. It's the continous process of rise & fall of countries & will go on. US can only delay it, can't altogether skip it.
As to defense, i disagree. I'm a strong proponent of strong defense. Just look at Singapore, it may be tiny but it cannot simply be bullied. It'll give any super power a black eye until Uncle comes to its help
Superpower? Any middle power capable of reaching near their shores can wipe Singapore out there from the map before even help comes.
 

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LOL, Southeast Asia has broken away long ago realistically. It's badly Westernized, Islamized and East Asianized now.
Singapore is mostly Chinese and the there are Indians too. But the birthrate of South East asia are collapsing just like china. ( Exception being Philippines . )

In next 30-40 years all new migration to Singapore will be mostly from India.

Think about it. By 2100 Indian population is estimated to be 1600 million by UN . The estimate for Chinese are 1 billion.

So in next 80 years while most of the world runs out of people. ( Japan ,china , Korea , Europe , America all have below replacement level fertility.)

India will be huge provider of skilled Human resources . ( Africa will have population but unskilled and more culture issues than Indian migration which are very well integrated).

These changes could drive more Indian to all corners of world. Indian population in South East Asia could grow by leaps and bounds .

Countries like Singapore / Thailand will prefer Indian migration over Islamic migration or African migration .
 

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LOL, Southeast Asia has broken away long ago realistically. It's badly Westernized, Islamized and East Asianized now.
What an ignorant rant. That's a low blow and i must say I'm compelled to reply in kind.

Badly Westernized? If you think of badly Wrsternized as those countries where cows do not own the streets or defecate in them, then I must admit that SEA countries, even those poorer ones and closest to China are "badly Westernized."




And worse are these zealots:

The violent rise of India’s cow vigilantes
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/24/20708435/cow-violence-india-muslims

I assume this is one manifestation on being "none-Westernized?" No thank you! You can keep it.

The brand of Islam in SEA countries is mostly liberal compared to ME or South Asia bramd of Islam. Yes, there are Islamic nutjobs here and there but they are rare.

Besides, what's the difference between Islamic nutjobs and Indian cow nutjobs?
 

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What an ignorant rant. That's a low blow and i must say I'm compelled to reply in kind.

Badly Westernized? If you think of badly Wrsternized as those countries where cows do not own the streets or defecate in them, then I must admit that SEA countries, even those poorer ones and closest to China are "badly Westernized."




And worse are these zealots:

The violent rise of India’s cow vigilantes
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/24/20708435/cow-violence-india-muslims

I assume this is one manifestation on being "none-Westernized?" No thank you! You can keep it.

The brand of Islam in SEA countries is mostly liberal compared to ME or South Asia bramd of Islam. Yes, there are Islamic nutjobs here and there but they are rare.

Besides, what's the difference between Islamic nutjobs and Indian cow nutjobs?
One is proactive one is reactive
 

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