Sukhoi PAK FA

[A chauhan]

^^^ In the fourth pic it's looking damn stealthy !! wow

 

[Anshu Attri]

Head of the Indian Air Force in the Moscow region showed fifth-generation fighter

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MOSCOW, May 23 - RIA Novosti. Commander, Indian Air Force showed the Russian fifth generation fighter aircraft in the territory of the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Moscow, reported in the press service of Sukhoi.
"On the territory of the Flight Research Institute named after Gromov in Zhukovsky near Moscow was presented and flight demonstration of promising air complex tactical aircraft (PAK FA) and the upgraded fighter aircraft carrier-based MiG-29UPG Indian delegation headed by the commander of the Air Force Pradeep Vasant Naik," - said in a statement .
On the Russian side the event was attended by the President of the United Aircraft Corporation, CEO of Sukhoi and RSK MiG Mikhail Pogosyan, the representatives of Rosoboronexport, the Russian Air Force.
Russian fifth-generation fighter under development since the 1990's. This heavy-class fighter with a takeoff weight of more than 30 tons, medium-scale (roughly corresponding to the Su-27), a monoplane with widely spaced engines and two keels, strongly deflected outward from the longitudinal axis. Appearance of the airframe was designed using stealth technology'' geometrical stealth".

 

[Anshu Attri]

 

[Anshu Attri]

Two PAK FA completed 60 flights - Sukhoi


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MOSCOW, May 23. (ARMS-TASS). Sukhoi has successfully continued flight testing of prospective aviation complex tactical aircraft (PAK FA). Two experienced flight model PAK FA in total carried out 60 flights, ARMS-TASS reported the press service of Sukhoi.
Today in the LII im.Gromova a presentation and flight demonstration of the PAK FA Indian delegation headed by the commander of the Air Force Pradeep Vasant Naik. On the Russian side at the event attended by President hast taken to the KLA, director general of Sukhoi and RSK MiG Mikhail Pogosyan, the representatives of Rosoboronexport, the Russian Air Force, informed the source.
On the basis of submitted Commander of Indian Air Force Indian PAK FA Russia and India are implementing a joint program of promising multipurpose fighter . It represents the largest project in the field of military technical cooperation between the two countries. Its implementation is based on a signed 18 October 2007 in Moscow at the 7 th session of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission on military cooperation agreement between the governments of Russia and the Republic of India on cooperation in the development and production of promising multi-purpose fighter, recalled the source.
In December 2010 during the visit of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to India by Rosoboronexport, the company HAL and Sukhoi signed a contract to develop a sketch and technical project aircraft. This - the first of a series of documents governing the obligations of the parties at different stages of the program.
"For the United Aircraft Corporation of the Russian-Indian cooperation - a long-term strategic partnership, based on more than half a century of cooperation. We do not just offer Indian colleagues the best examples of our aircraft as a finished product, we are dedicated to working with Russian and Indian companies, sharing engineering resources to develop the most advanced aircraft systems that have high potential for the world market. And I am confident that the joint program in combat and transport aircraft - a launching pad for expansion of cooperation in the implementation of programs to create civil aircraft ", - Summing up the meeting, said Mikhail Pogosyan.
The Indian delegation today also showed a modernized Indian fighter aircraft carrier-based MiG-29UPG.

 

[nitesh]

Виктор Чепкин. Наш ответ... бразильцам? » Журнал "Российская Федерация сегодня": политика, новости России, публицистика
translated version
Need to urgently address the helical fan-heavy-duty engines and build an aircraft speed of 6-7 thousand miles per hour at an altitude of 50-100 kilometers. Then we will be competitive in the world. So says the first deputy general director of NPO Saturn, on the R & D and CSR - General Designer Victor CHEPKIN.

- Almost three years ago when we were talking for the last time [1]You were more optimistic. Over the past has since been formed United Engine Corporation, climbed into the sky and is undergoing flight tests Fighter 5 th generation of T-50 ", the first Superjet already been transferred to commercial airlines ... What in your opinion the most important changes occurred in the Russian aviation industry during this period that we acquired, and what can be lost?

- The main thing in my opinion, is that joint efforts succeeded in stopping the fall of the industry. This required the efforts of many, first and foremost, I would note Mikhail Pogosyan Aslanovich and Eugene Yuvenalievich Marchukova - General Designer of the engine for the T-50.

For military aircraft, we have created two engines - one for the aircraft, the Su-35 ", the second - for the Russian aircraft 5 th generation of T-50". The first - "117C" - is mainly intended for export. He is easier in terms of aerodynamics, and most importantly - targeted for aircraft with conventional arms, suspended on pylons outside the fuselage, with no strong constraints on dimensions. Such schemes are used on aircraft 4-th generation, export to India and Malaysia.

The second engine - "117" - though only differ by one letter in the title, much more advanced engine - this is a real engine of the 5-th generation. From enemies can sometimes hear the engine 5-th generation should be such a blade, such and such materials, high-speed rotors, and you do not have this ... None of this is all just ways of achieving the goal. A single goal - increasing specific thrust, ie the ratio of thrust to its weight. For example, the first jet engine Arkhip Mikhailovich Cradles weighed 1350 kg and had the same cravings, that is, its specific thrust is equal to 1. The engine is the 4 th generation, "AL-31F, has already managed to achieve specific thrust of 8.7, and car 5 th generation, the figure is 10.

The new engine delivers a supersonic speed aircraft besforsazhnom mode. What gives? If before the fighter was flying to the target soskorostyu 700 km / h, it is now - twice as fast.

Our "117" today is already flying on two T-50 ". For the company it is quite a major achievement, a large move forward. Although dalos all this easy. We also have new ideas, we can boast some good groundwork. What is needed in the field of military aviation - the beginning of this mass production? To protect such a large country like ours, from a serious attack aircraft needed grouping 500-1000. For this need orders, money, production infrastructure.

- What are the new challenges encountered when creating the plane 5 th generation?

- Problems have to solve a thousand. Say, for reducing the radar visibility "T-50 has a scheme with an internal arrangement of weapons, so is becoming increasingly important problem of reducing its size. And that means have to be developed and put into service a new weapon, but since it low volume, it must be highly accurate. It is therefore necessarily need a fully functional GLONASS. The American GPS, for obvious reasons is not suitable, since in times of crisis we will disable it, or both during the Ossetian-Georgian war, to impose an artificial shift in the coordinates of 300 km. Also need to know exactly, not just to shoot, but how do you shoot, so should be a modern mapping system. The missile itself should be unobtrusive. Such weapons are now manufactured, and all this affects the design of the engine. Work is proceeding according to plan ... In general, in my opinion, the plane turns out good, no worse than the American "F-22".

- By the way, if we compare the T-50 "with the" F-22 ", Western sources say that the T-50" loses much of the last parameters such as infrared engine visibility in the rear hemisphere.

- We're working very intensely, and to reduce the infrared and radar visibility, and were twice as better performance in comparison with the "F-22" (at least for those data that are published and which I have).

 

[nitesh]

Виктор Чепкин. Наш ответ... бразильцам? » Журнал "Российская Федерация сегодня": политика, новости России, публицистика
translated version
Need to urgently address the helical fan-heavy-duty engines and build an aircraft speed of 6-7 thousand miles per hour at an altitude of 50-100 kilometers. Then we will be competitive in the world. So says the first deputy general director of NPO Saturn, on the R & D and CSR - General Designer Victor CHEPKIN.

- Almost three years ago when we were talking for the last time [1]You were more optimistic. Over the past has since been formed United Engine Corporation, climbed into the sky and is undergoing flight tests Fighter 5 th generation of T-50 ", the first Superjet already been transferred to commercial airlines ... What in your opinion the most important changes occurred in the Russian aviation industry during this period that we acquired, and what can be lost?

- The main thing in my opinion, is that joint efforts succeeded in stopping the fall of the industry. This required the efforts of many, first and foremost, I would note Mikhail Pogosyan Aslanovich and Eugene Yuvenalievich Marchukova - General Designer of the engine for the T-50.

For military aircraft, we have created two engines - one for the aircraft, the Su-35 ", the second - for the Russian aircraft 5 th generation of T-50". The first - "117C" - is mainly intended for export. He is easier in terms of aerodynamics, and most importantly - targeted for aircraft with conventional arms, suspended on pylons outside the fuselage, with no strong constraints on dimensions. Such schemes are used on aircraft 4-th generation, export to India and Malaysia.

The second engine - "117" - though only differ by one letter in the title, much more advanced engine - this is a real engine of the 5-th generation. From enemies can sometimes hear the engine 5-th generation should be such a blade, such and such materials, high-speed rotors, and you do not have this ... None of this is all just ways of achieving the goal. A single goal - increasing specific thrust, ie the ratio of thrust to its weight. For example, the first jet engine Arkhip Mikhailovich Cradles weighed 1350 kg and had the same cravings, that is, its specific thrust is equal to 1. The engine is the 4 th generation, "AL-31F, has already managed to achieve specific thrust of 8.7, and car 5 th generation, the figure is 10.

The new engine delivers a supersonic speed aircraft besforsazhnom mode. What gives? If before the fighter was flying to the target soskorostyu 700 km / h, it is now - twice as fast.

Our "117" today is already flying on two T-50 ". For the company it is quite a major achievement, a large move forward. Although dalos all this easy. We also have new ideas, we can boast some good groundwork. What is needed in the field of military aviation - the beginning of this mass production? To protect such a large country like ours, from a serious attack aircraft needed grouping 500-1000. For this need orders, money, production infrastructure.

- What are the new challenges encountered when creating the plane 5 th generation?

- Problems have to solve a thousand. Say, for reducing the radar visibility "T-50 has a scheme with an internal arrangement of weapons, so is becoming increasingly important problem of reducing its size. And that means have to be developed and put into service a new weapon, but since it low volume, it must be highly accurate. It is therefore necessarily need a fully functional GLONASS. The American GPS, for obvious reasons is not suitable, since in times of crisis we will disable it, or both during the Ossetian-Georgian war, to impose an artificial shift in the coordinates of 300 km. Also need to know exactly, not just to shoot, but how do you shoot, so should be a modern mapping system. The missile itself should be unobtrusive. Such weapons are now manufactured, and all this affects the design of the engine. Work is proceeding according to plan ... In general, in my opinion, the plane turns out good, no worse than the American "F-22".

- By the way, if we compare the T-50 "with the" F-22 ", Western sources say that the T-50" loses much of the last parameters such as infrared engine visibility in the rear hemisphere.

- We're working very intensely, and to reduce the infrared and radar visibility, and were twice as better performance in comparison with the "F-22" (at least for those data that are published and which I have).

 

[p2prada]

Stuff we already know.

Saturn is developing flat nozzles which addresses the last question.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Don't know how many Russians you have been speaking to. Unless it is Mikhail Pogyosan I am not interested. 25% of workshare is MASSIVE.

Navigation systems are based on emitters. As long as your aircraft is emitting, stealth is compromised if detected. It is a big deal if you can communicate with your satellites without giving away any information to the enemy.

Let's just say your Nokia Phone with GPS is not even 0.1% of the complexity required for a stealth design.

First off 25% could even include nuts and bolts but it obviously is not that but the truth is that we are not doing an equal JV. Its definitely seems like we are the lesser partner. What we are doing is not even 25% of avionics and the GPS is not at all GPS its an GOLANASS based network which again is Russian.

 

[Anshu Attri]

1st Indian in PAKFA's cockpit ??????

 

[nitesh]

which project is this, or FGFA is lighter then PAK FA?

India, Russia mulling close defence coop amid Naik's visit | Deccan Chronicle

Besides the common heavier platform, Russia has also agreed to jointly develop a lighter fifth generation fighter tailored to meet the specific requirements of the IAF.

 

[p2prada]

First off 25% could even include nuts and bolts but it obviously is not that but the truth is that we are not doing an equal JV. Its definitely seems like we are the lesser partner. What we are doing is not even 25% of avionics and the GPS is not at all GPS its an GOLANASS based network which again is Russian.

Yes. It is GLONASS. But the point is the same. Nuts and bolts may not be handled by us because even those are complex parts of an aircraft which are designed to handle hight stress, temperature and speeds.

If you don't want to believe it then it is fine. We are involved in the front fuselage of the FGFA. HAL has experience after having made hundreds of aircraft and also being involved with the MKI and MKM modification.

25% is HUGE.

 

[p2prada]

which project is this, or FGFA is lighter then PAK FA?

India, Russia mulling close defence coop amid Naik's visit | Deccan Chronicle

Seems to be something else. But the article is missing from the link.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

which project is this, or FGFA is lighter then PAK FA?

India, Russia mulling close defence coop amid Naik's visit | Deccan Chronicle

Lighter could mean more composite compare to PAK-FA...

India, Russia mulling close defence coop amid Naik's visit

India and Russia are mulling closer cooperation between their air forces, operating similar aircraft and preparing to jointly develop futuristic fifth generation fighter jet, officials said, amid the ongoing visit of Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik.

The issues of inter-services interaction, including joint air drills were high on the agenda of Naik's on Wednesday's talks with the Russian Air Chief Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, Russian defence ministry sources said.

In the course of his weeklong official Russia visit, Naik watched the demonstration flight of the prototype of PAK-FA T-50 fifth generation fighter (FGFA) developed by Sukhoi at an airbase near here on Monday.

It will be jointly developed and produced by the two countries under an inter-governmental agreement signed in October 2007.

Besides the common heavier platform, Russia has also agreed to jointly develop a lighter fifth generation fighter tailored to meet the specific requirements of the IAF.

The Indian Air Chief also watched the flight of deeply modernised MiG-29UPG of the Indian Air Force at the airfield of M.M. Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky town near here.

Under a multi-million dollar contract signed in 2008 Russia's MiG Aircraft Corporation, is deeply upgrading six of the IAF's fighter MiG-29 fleet here, while rest will be modernised in India for which the Russian aircraft maker will supply kits.

On Tuesday Naik visited the Russian Flying School in Lipetsk region, which evolves the combat guidelines for the use of latest fighters before their mass induction in the force.

On the second leg of his visit Indian Air Chief is to visit St.

Petersburg and nearby Leningrad region's training facilities and an airbase.​

 

[p2prada]

Hmm. The heavier version would mean PAKFA and lighter version would mean FGFA.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

1st Indian in PAKFA's cockpit ??????

Not really, earlier an test pilot from India was sent over to Russia even before T-50 was revealed to the public media. There have been subsequent Indian representation since then. I think that article of the pilot should be archived in Google. Search it out.

Notice the rivets on the cockpit, when Americans talk of stealth they make it clear about the no riveting and no use of metals on the surface area. I am really skeptical about corrupt and manipulating defence industry in Russia.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Notice the rivets on the cockpit, when Americans talk of stealth they make it clear about the no riveting and no use of metals on the surface area. I am really skeptical about corrupt and manipulating defence industry in Russia.

Their will be more prototypes..

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Yes. It is GLONASS. But the point is the same. Nuts and bolts may not be handled by us because even those are complex parts of an aircraft which are designed to handle hight stress, temperature and speeds.

If you don't want to believe it then it is fine. We are involved in the front fuselage of the FGFA. HAL has experience after having made hundreds of aircraft and also being involved with the MKI and MKM modification.

25% is HUGE.

I dont think Indian scientists can make the cockpit out of pure composites and more over everyone knows HAL is involved in FGFA but that does not mean we are developing the technology to make the cockpit in composites. The technology will be handed over to us. The MKI is an all metal aircraft and do not show us in anyway what so ever how to make an 5th gen aircraft.

25% is not an equal JV by any measure apart from the financial area. The Russian have tried to keep us out of development offering us merely 15% and now after much bargaining its 25%. It is a total rip off of an JV.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Their will be more prototypes..

If they still have not even passed the no rivet stage and they produce the FGFA for display then what exactly is there to test in it? All the engines and structures the Russians are already sure about. This is just to show us that they are making it and does not even prove the aircraft is stealthy. It is no where near stealthy.

 

[A.V.]

which project is this, or FGFA is lighter then PAK FA?

India, Russia mulling close defence coop amid Naik's visit | Deccan Chronicle

The use of the word Light does not denote weight , many times when translating russian to english ,the word RECENT/NEW is translated as light /modern

Light always denotes a new version it need not be lighter in weight but it means a complete new product instead.

 

[nrj]

which project is this, or FGFA is lighter then PAK FA?

Besides the common heavier platform, Russia has also agreed to jointly develop a lighter fifth generation fighter tailored to meet the specific requirements of the IAF.

The use of the word Light does not denote weight , many times when translating russian to english ,the word RECENT/NEW is translated as light /modern

Light always denotes a new version it need not be lighter in weight but it means a complete new product instead.

I believe its FGFA i.e tailored IAF only figher apart from common PAKFA platform.