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Well, this is an official figure. Even if it doubles, that would equal the Gripen's lifecycle costs.

The Russians have been giving high priority on quality. That's why some Russian equipment has become more expensive than before. Earlier the Mig-29 used to give 2250 hours and that has been increased to 6500 hours, which is a big deal. Even the AL-31FP we have has increased MTBO to 1000 hours up from 500 hours a decade ago.

If the westerners are sceptical then let them be. They are always sceptical about Russian technology, that's what they are paid to do. It doesn't hurt much to give a negative press statement on a paper product.
The Whole World is Skeptical of Russian Claims. As every product that they produce they boast and rant about how good they are. Yet, after they reach production. The user is sorely disappointed...........Just ask the Indian Government.

Why do you think Western Equipment has become so appealing all of a sudden!

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Russia's fifth generation fighter will be about three times as cheap as its foreign analog..

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100617/159462165.html

"It will be a machine superior to our main competitor, the F-22, in maneuverability, armament and range," Putin said.

The country's top military officials earlier said the stealth fighter jet with a range of up to 5,500 km would enter service with the Air Force in 2015.
 

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The Whole World is Skeptical of Russian Claims. As every product that they produce they boast and rant about how good they are. Yet, after they reach production. The user is sorely disappointed...........Just ask the Indian Government.

Why do you think Western Equipment has become so appealing all of a sudden!

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Stop spewing out your anti-Russian frustration. I still doubt wether you have ever been near a Russian or Soviet equipment in your life. The Russian equipment have served us well and it has nothing to do with the intrest in Western equipments. India, since the start have been using Russian and the western equipment together side by side. The IAF uses the Jaguar and the Mirage alongside the Russian MiG 29 and the Su 30. The IA used both Centurions and the T 55 tanks in the wars of '65 and '71. The IN has been using the Rajput class destroyers(Kahin class) and the Delhi class together. The Osa cass and the Leander class complemented each other in the "71 war.

The new player in this feild is the US...nothing new...Just like a new product in the market for us. The Il 76 is not going to be replaced by the C 17. The C 17 is brought because there is no other heavy lift capablity aircraft in the 70 tons category available right now. The A 330 MRTT was selected just because it also had tactical transport capability. Nowhere it says that the Russian aircrafts are inferior to the Western counterparts.

About the PAK-FA...Do you have access to the program by any chance?...I think no. And a lot is not out on public.

If the Indian Armed forces were so skeptical about the Russian arms industry, Then why did it order more than 2000 T90Ms and the follow up order of the Mdified Krivak(Trikhand class) frigate? Why would have waited for the Admiral Gorshkov? Why should we have a joint venture with the Russians in Bhramos Aerospace and Sukhoi? Why did we involve the Russians in building our SSBN and lease out one (unconfirmed two) Nerpa class? Why should the navy go for the MiG 29k (46 in number)? Why should the IAF buy 40 more Su 30 MKI? Why should our Chandrayaan-2 carry the Russian payload?

Think before you talk. The Russian production lines are filled by India before the production starts. The only thorn in the bed of roses is the Gorshkov affair.And that has been sorted out abicabily. The SLCM Klub issue follow on was remarkably superb when it came to customer relations. The IL 38 Sea dragon modification and the TU 142 bear modification instilled further confidence in the Russians.

So stop looking through the 'western glass' and spew out hatred on the Russians. Do your own research and find out how the Russians are as good as the Americans when it comes to defence technology.
 

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you said -

and i agreed.

what is "narcissistic" about agreeing??
It appeared you were sarcastic about it.

My bad.

True Indian and Russia may order more PAK-FA's down the road. Yet, the US could order more F-35's. That said, even if they don't the Combined Fleet of F-22's and F-35's will likely be more nonetheless.......So, what's your point???
It was on your comment which said India and Russia will be ordering only 250 each.
 

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SU-35 - PAK FA Prototype
 
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Problems with the promotion of the Su-35 and the development of the PAK FA

July 29, 2010: Russia is hustling to find export customers for its latest Su-30 model, the Su-35. The Russian Air Force will receive the first of these later this year, and export customers have been promised early delivery. There are few takers so far. There's just too much competition out there, from late model F-15s and F-16s, plus Rafale, Eurofighter and Gripen. The U.S. F-35 is on the way as well.
That said, the Su-35 is an impressive piece of work. It's pitched as more reliable and durable than past Russian fighters, good for 6,000 flight hours (compared to 2,500-4,000 hours for earlier models). The big selling points are the sensors. There is a phased array radar that can spot large targets (like B-52s or AWACS) at up to 400 kilometers, and an infrared (heat sensing) passive radar with a range of 80 kilometers. The active radar can also track targets on the ground and use smart bombs. The Su-35 is more maneuverable than earlier Su-30 types.

At one point, the Su-35 was touted as competition for the F-22. It isn't. That competition would be the PAK-FA, which had its first flight earlier this year. There are only three prototypes of the Su-35, and one of those crashed last year. The cause was a problem with one of the two engines. Russia had hoped to have the destroyed prototype fly over the May Day parade in Moscow on May 1st. The crash was really bad PR, since one of the consistent shortcomings of Russian warplanes has been the unreliable engines.

Two years ago, the Su-35 had its first flight. Progress has been slow. The Su-35 has been in development since the 1990s. At one point, it was called the Su-37, but the name was changed back to Su-35. Since the 1990s, two different Su-35 prototypes were built. There were many disagreements over what direction the development should take, and by the late 1990s, the project was basically suspended for lack of funding.

The Su-35 is a 34 ton fighter that is more maneuverable than the original, 33 ton, Su-27, and has much better electronics. It can cruise at above the speed of sound. It also costs at least fifty percent more than the Su-27. That would be some $60 million (for a barebones model), about what a top-of-the-line F-16 costs. The Su-27 was originally developed to match the F-15, which is larger than the single engine F-16. The larger size of the Su-27/35, allows designers to do a lot more with it in terms of modifications and enhancements. The Su-35 will carry a 30mm autocannon (with 150 rounds) and up to eight tons of munitions, hanging from 12 hard points.

Russia's effort to develop an F-22 class fighter (the PAK FA) is going to require a lot of work. The prototype, that took its first flight recently, was clearly the basic Su-27 airframe modified to be stealthier. This included changing the shape of the aircraft to be less radar reflective, and providing internal bays for bombs and missiles. But there's much more to do in order to achieve anything close to the stealthiness of the F-22. It took fifteen years for the F-22 to go from initial flight, to entering service. The PAK FA could proceed faster, learning from the F-22 experience (especially if some of the Internet based espionage carried out in the last decade was Russian). But such development speed has not been a Russian characteristic.

Another problem is the engines, which were not ready for the first flight. Older model engines were used, because initial flights are mainly to confirm the basic airworthiness of the airframe. The new engines, also being used in the Su-35, are suffering development problems. The Russians have always had difficulties with their high end military engines, and that tradition continues. Currently, the Russians say it will take several years to perfect the new engine.

Russia will also need a new family of air-to-air missiles, as the current ones are too large for the internal bays on the PAK FA prototype. These are already in the works, along with more compact versions of air-to-surface missiles. There are also problems with the electronics and, well, you get the picture.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20100729.aspx
 

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http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Se...assail-JV-aerial-projects/UPI-40981281724776/

The aircraft is designed to be a major element in future armaments sales by Russia's state-owned Rosobornekhsport program. Sukhoi OKB director Mikhail Pogosian has predicted that Rosobornekhsport 1,000 aircraft over the next four decades. As the Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 is a joint venture with India, the Russian and Indian air forces will be the initial recipients of two hundred fighters apiece, with an additional six hundred being manufactured for export. Initial deployment is planned for 2015. A naval version of the Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA will be eventually deployed on the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and future Russian aircraft carriers, as well as India's former Soviet carrier Admiral Gorshkov, currently undergoing a lengthy refit in Russia's Sevmash shipyard. The Admiral Gorshkov, a modified Kiev-class Soviet aircraft carrier, was purchased in 2004 by India and after refitting will enter the Indian Navy as INS Vikramaditya.
 

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will FGFA be exported to china too....................?????
Discussed many times before. China won't be part of PAKFA in any form. Export customers will be the only friendly countries of Russia-India. PRC can dream of buying PAKFA & incorporating same thing into so called JXX.
 

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can you provide any source,,....
Plenty of sources available on this very forum. Discussed on this topic itself long time ago. I will help with a source as I find some time to re-search on that. For the time being Google & this nice forum is a good start.
 

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well russia will not provide pak fa to india till china dont make its own 5th gen plane

thats my word 100% sure
 

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well russia will not provide pak fa to india till china dont make its own 5th gen plane

thats my word 100% sure

Considering Russia has sold China the Flanker. Which, is India's Premier Fighter. Why would Russia not do the same with the PAK-FA. Sorry, your logic escapes me.....

BTW Currently, Russia is providing help to Iran for its Nuclear Program. While, the rest of the world is trying to stop it..........In short Russia will do whatever it feels is in its own interests. Regardless, of what any other country wants. Including India in my opinion.
 

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Considering Russia has sold China the Flanker. Which, is India's Premier Fighter. Why would Russia not do the same with the PAK-FA. Sorry, your logic escapes me.....

BTW Currently, Russia is providing help to Iran for its Nuclear Program. While, the rest of the world is trying to stop it..........In short Russia will do whatever it feels is in its own interests. Regardless, of what any other country wants. Including India in my opinion.
Russia only need money........Russia is helping Iran just to show US that they are not afraid of them.....Similarly they helped India not because we are their good friends..but the only reason is that they want to show US that if they are helping Pakistan then they will help India...thats it.
 

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Considering Russia has sold China the Flanker. Which, is India's Premier Fighter. Why would Russia not do the same with the PAK-FA. Sorry, your logic escapes me.....

BTW Currently, Russia is providing help to Iran for its Nuclear Program. While, the rest of the world is trying to stop it..........In short Russia will do whatever it feels is in its own interests. Regardless, of what any other country wants. Including India in my opinion.
even i am on the side that russia will sell the single seat FGFA verient to china and the two seater indian verient will be reserved for IAF...so it will be fgfa-MKI for india and FGFA-MKK for china..
 

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Russia only need money........Russia is helping Iran just to show US that they are not afraid of them.....Similarly they helped India not because we are their good friends..but the only reason is that they want to show US that if they are helping Pakistan then they will help India...thats it.
If, true that would be extremely dangerous and short sighted. As Iran calls for the distruction of Israel and supports many terriorist groups. Many of the latter have ties to groups that have killed Americans, Israelis, Indians, and yes even Russians.

Clearly, India and does the vast majority of the free world. Opposes Russia's Support of Iran's Nuclear Program. At least the current government........
 

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If, true that would be extremely dangerous and short sighted. As Iran calls for the distruction of Israel and supports many terriorist groups. Many of the latter have ties to groups that have killed Americans, Israelis, Indians, and yes even Russians.

Clearly, India and does the vast majority of the free world. Opposes Russia's Support of Iran's Nuclear Program. At least the current government........
these are all speculation ........it is only the pakistanis only helped iran on nuke program as revealed by the amaricans investigaters visited iranian sites .....iran then himself conform that they get the help from A.Q.Khan network..
 

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Considering Russia has sold China the Flanker. Which, is India's Premier Fighter. Why would Russia not do the same with the PAK-FA. Sorry, your logic escapes me.....

BTW Currently, Russia is providing help to Iran for its Nuclear Program. While, the rest of the world is trying to stop it..........In short Russia will do whatever it feels is in its own interests. Regardless, of what any other country wants. Including India in my opinion.
I think then you are totally unaware about project PAK FA, first of all India has already invested close to 10 billion dollars and will be investing more if required, secondly India is 50% partner in terms of financing the project. In terms of technology HAL is and will be helping with avionics and other small things in which they have gained knowledge apart from providing composite materials. So how could a country like China with no investment in terms of technology and $$ can get PAK FA without mutual consent of India and Russia.

Su-27, Su-30 or other flanker series planes are past, neither India financed it nor contributed in terms of technology for its development apart from SU-30 MKI. So Russia had full authority to sell it to any one, but in the case of PAK FA Russia will need consent of India.
 

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