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How would it be 6th gen engine?
Izdeliie 30 was supposed to be a fifth gen engine right?
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Specific weight
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 116
M88-3 = 115
EJ200 = 131
Izd. 117 = 119
Specific Thrust
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 100
M88-3 = 98
EJ200 = 94
Izd. 117 = 94
SFC
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 125
M88-3 = 110
EJ200 = 112
Izd. 117 = 110
the izd. 30 has the same specific thrust of the F-22 and therefore is probably intended for similarly high cruising speed, while the SFC is 25% smaller. TWR should be around 12, which would mean 18 tf for an estimated weight of 1500 kg.
F-119 back in its day was called a 5th generation, and the izdelie 30 having the same thrust but less fuel consumption and less weight is no surprise because it's new. They did not want to go for flat square nozzles like the f-22 because it would kill the performance of engine so they went for round nozzles, were criticized they because the nozzles were not serrated like the f-35 until way later in development. Based on pictures they want to go back to square nozzles because they found a way to not kill the engine performance in controlling TVC. 6th generation engines are 3 stream cycle according to the new shit P&W and Lyulka have talked about and no idea how far lyulka is in detonation engines.
The flat nozzles are more than likely photoshopped in that tweet because the 2nd variant will not undergo any physical designs changes other than new engines and new avionics based on what the program stated. F-35s and su-57s still undergo upgrades but it's good to know what 6th gen designs will look like or possibly have.
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izd 30 spec have to be confirmed.
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Specific weight
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 116
M88-3 = 115
EJ200 = 131
Izd. 117 = 119
Specific Thrust
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 100
M88-3 = 98
EJ200 = 94
Izd. 117 = 94
SFC
Izd. 30 = 100
F119-PW-100 = 125
M88-3 = 110
EJ200 = 112
Izd. 117 = 110
the izd. 30 has the same specific thrust of the F-22 and therefore is probably intended for similarly high cruising speed, while the SFC is 25% smaller. TWR should be around 12, which would mean 18 tf for an estimated weight of 1500 kg.
F-119 back in its day was called a 5th generation, and the izdelie 30 having the same thrust but less fuel consumption and less weight is no surprise because it's new. They did not want to go for flat square nozzles like the f-22 because it would kill the performance of engine so they went for round nozzles, were criticized they because the nozzles were not serrated like the f-35 until way later in development. Based on pictures they want to go back to square nozzles because they found a way to not kill the engine performance in controlling TVC. 6th generation engines are 3 stream cycle according to the new shit P&W and Lyulka have talked about and no idea how far lyulka is in detonation engines.
The flat nozzles are more than likely photoshopped in that tweet because the 2nd variant will not undergo any physical designs changes other than new engines and new avionics based on what the program stated. F-35s and su-57s still undergo upgrades but it's good to know what 6th gen designs will look like or possibly have.
The russian turbojet industry was always late and short on performance (the leader was and is the US one), so...
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So we are going to have three versions of the Su-75.
1. Single seater: This is the one which will be primarily employed in combat duties within Russian airspace along with the Su-57.
2. Twin seater: This will most likely be a trainer version, I don't think that they will want to do a Weopons system officer plus pilot combination for such a stealth fighter.
3. Unmanned: This is the one which will be employed as a wing man drone like S-70.
If the twin seater version comes out then this will be the second fifth generation Stealth plane to have a twin seater version after J-20. The only operational Stealth fighters from what I know are the F-35, F-22, Su-57 and J-20, all of these with the exception of J-20 only have single seat versions. Let's see, I really want to see the final version of Su-75 in person, the new design looks almost "Alien" lol.
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With the poor results of russian fighters in the ukrainian sky, I see no future for a brand new export russian fighter :
- Russian weapons works poorly (ant not only fighters).
- There are already lots of light/medium fighters in the market (or nearly).
- No one will invest in such a project (except Iran? ).
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oh, look a pissed off french man moved his shitposting from the F-35 to the Su-57. I hope his anger has nothing to with his country being forced to suck Russian dick especially what's going on in Africa. Where is Frances's 5th gen fighter?
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Empresa russa revela no fórum militar novo míssil para caça Su-57 capaz de virar 180° no ar - 16.08.2023, Sputnik Brasil (sputniknewsbr.com.br)
Sputnik visited the International Military-Technical Forum Army 2023, where it was possible to get acquainted with the models of new Russian missiles.
This type of armament is developed by enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex that are part of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV).
Aleksei Elesin, head of the Missile Engineering Department of the Vympel company and one of the developers of the new rvv-MD2 missile first presented at the exhibition, spoke to Sputnik about this advanced weaponry.
"The RVV-MD2 is a short-range air-to-air missile specially designed for the Su-57e multifunctional fighter. during the development phase of the new model, the designers were tasked with creating a universal weapon, the universality of which is the possibility of being placed both inside the fuselage of the aircraft and on an external suspension," said Elesin.
However, the new missile has other distinctive features, the head of the Missile Engineering Department stressed.
"In addition, for the first time on a missile of this class an inertial guidance system with radio correction and a self-guided thermal search warhead of the target were installed.
This allows the pilot to launch the missile towards the air target, then it [missile] enters the flight path and makes the acquisition of the target itself," the expert explained.
"Despite the similarity in appearance of the RVV-MD2 with its previous version – this is a completely new product with a new electronic 'stuffing' that has retained all the advantages. And the maximum range of the missile has been increased to 50 km," Elesin said.
At the same time, the new missile is one of the most maneuverable. He is able to turn right after launch.
"The main distinguishing feature of the RVV-MD2 is the ability to turn 180 degrees after launch. This is achieved thanks to dynamic gas control," he concluded.
Basically like the Aim-9x Block 3
Sputnik visited the International Military-Technical Forum Army 2023, where it was possible to get acquainted with the models of new Russian missiles.
This type of armament is developed by enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex that are part of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV).
Aleksei Elesin, head of the Missile Engineering Department of the Vympel company and one of the developers of the new rvv-MD2 missile first presented at the exhibition, spoke to Sputnik about this advanced weaponry.
"The RVV-MD2 is a short-range air-to-air missile specially designed for the Su-57e multifunctional fighter. during the development phase of the new model, the designers were tasked with creating a universal weapon, the universality of which is the possibility of being placed both inside the fuselage of the aircraft and on an external suspension," said Elesin.
However, the new missile has other distinctive features, the head of the Missile Engineering Department stressed.
"In addition, for the first time on a missile of this class an inertial guidance system with radio correction and a self-guided thermal search warhead of the target were installed.
This allows the pilot to launch the missile towards the air target, then it [missile] enters the flight path and makes the acquisition of the target itself," the expert explained.
"Despite the similarity in appearance of the RVV-MD2 with its previous version – this is a completely new product with a new electronic 'stuffing' that has retained all the advantages. And the maximum range of the missile has been increased to 50 km," Elesin said.
At the same time, the new missile is one of the most maneuverable. He is able to turn right after launch.
"The main distinguishing feature of the RVV-MD2 is the ability to turn 180 degrees after launch. This is achieved thanks to dynamic gas control," he concluded.
Basically like the Aim-9x Block 3
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Источник: Су-57 скоро получит ракеты, которые смогут поражать цели на дальности до 300 км (tass.ru)
MOSCOW, August 30. /TASS/. The fifth-generation fighter Su-57 hits targets at a distance of 120 km during the NWO, and aircraft missiles are expected to arrive in the near future, which will be able to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 km, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.
"In the NWO, the Su-57 solves problems with high quality, effectively hits targets, its distinctive feature is low visibility. Today, the fighter operates at a distance of 120 km, in the near future they are waiting for the arrival of aircraft missiles for high-speed air targets at a distance of up to 300 km," the agency's interlocutor said.
The Su-57 (according to NATO codification - Felon) is a fifth-generation Russian multifunctional fighter. The aircraft is designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. The machine has a supersonic cruising flight speed, intra-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating (stealth technology), as well as the latest set of onboard equipment. The intellectualization of the Su-57 systems allows him to take on some of the functions of the pilot, including piloting and training the use of weapons.
MOSCOW, August 30. /TASS/. The fifth-generation fighter Su-57 hits targets at a distance of 120 km during the NWO, and aircraft missiles are expected to arrive in the near future, which will be able to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 km, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.
"In the NWO, the Su-57 solves problems with high quality, effectively hits targets, its distinctive feature is low visibility. Today, the fighter operates at a distance of 120 km, in the near future they are waiting for the arrival of aircraft missiles for high-speed air targets at a distance of up to 300 km," the agency's interlocutor said.
The Su-57 (according to NATO codification - Felon) is a fifth-generation Russian multifunctional fighter. The aircraft is designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. The machine has a supersonic cruising flight speed, intra-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating (stealth technology), as well as the latest set of onboard equipment. The intellectualization of the Su-57 systems allows him to take on some of the functions of the pilot, including piloting and training the use of weapons.
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Rostec plans to significantly increase the pace of production of Su-57 - RIA Novosti, 10.08.2023
Rostec plans to significantly increase the pace of production of the Su-57
The deputy head of Rostec, Artyakov, announced plans to significantly increase the pace of production of the Su-57
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MOSCOW, Aug 10 - RIA Novosti. Rostec plans to significantly increase the pace of production of fifth-generation Su-2023 fighters in 57, Vladimir Artyakov, first deputy general director of the state corporation, said in an interview with RIA Novosti on the eve of the Army-2023 international military-technical forum.
"We fully comply with our obligations to the Ministry of Defense. Now the aircraft is undergoing trial operation in VKS RUSSIA. This year, our cooperation led by OAK plans to significantly increase the pace of production of these aircraft in accordance with the state contract," Artyakov said. He added that at the same time the Su-57 platform is evolving. "Its combat capabilities are being increased, the most modern technologies are being introduced into the car. That is, its effectiveness continues to grow," said the first deputy head of Rostec.
The military in the NVO zone appreciated the Su-35 and Su-57 fighters from the Khabarovsk Territory
20 April, 07:04
As previously reported, serial deliveries of the Su-57 began in 2022. By the end of 2024, the Aerospace Forces should receive 22 fighters, by 2028 their number in the troops will be increased to 76.
The Su-57 is a fifth-generation Russian multi-role fighter developed by Sukhoi. The machine is designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. It has a supersonic cruising flight speed, intra-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating, as well as the latest onboard equipment complex.
The forum "Army" will be held in the park "Patriot" in the suburbs Kubinke from 14 to 20 August under the auspices of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. RIA Novosti is the official news agency of the exhibition.
Rostec plans to significantly increase the pace of production of the Su-57
The deputy head of Rostec, Artyakov, announced plans to significantly increase the pace of production of the Su-57
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Multifunctional fighter of the fifth generation Su-57. Archival photo
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MOSCOW, Aug 10 - RIA Novosti. Rostec plans to significantly increase the pace of production of fifth-generation Su-2023 fighters in 57, Vladimir Artyakov, first deputy general director of the state corporation, said in an interview with RIA Novosti on the eve of the Army-2023 international military-technical forum.
"We fully comply with our obligations to the Ministry of Defense. Now the aircraft is undergoing trial operation in VKS RUSSIA. This year, our cooperation led by OAK plans to significantly increase the pace of production of these aircraft in accordance with the state contract," Artyakov said. He added that at the same time the Su-57 platform is evolving. "Its combat capabilities are being increased, the most modern technologies are being introduced into the car. That is, its effectiveness continues to grow," said the first deputy head of Rostec.
The military in the NVO zone appreciated the Su-35 and Su-57 fighters from the Khabarovsk Territory
20 April, 07:04
As previously reported, serial deliveries of the Su-57 began in 2022. By the end of 2024, the Aerospace Forces should receive 22 fighters, by 2028 their number in the troops will be increased to 76.
The Su-57 is a fifth-generation Russian multi-role fighter developed by Sukhoi. The machine is designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. It has a supersonic cruising flight speed, intra-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating, as well as the latest onboard equipment complex.
The forum "Army" will be held in the park "Patriot" in the suburbs Kubinke from 14 to 20 August under the auspices of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. RIA Novosti is the official news agency of the exhibition.
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5th gen? are you speaking of the Fucking-35 plane ? Not supercruising, not FOC despite years and billions ?
You are pityfull.
Where are we forcing to suck dick? We leave Africa, and good hope to them with Wagner.... And as we leave Africa I hope we will no more accept migrants from these country.
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Somehow its looking sexier is there any change in the airframe?
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no changes just talks of using a square nozzle ass for next time on possible future modifications with the 3 stream cycle engine.
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Just wanted to add: that's not real life footage. It's either CGI or DCS or War thunder (from what I know, Su-57 is not there in War thunder but yeah it's in DCS, I may be wrong about it not being in war thunder, I think there is an Su-57 mod??).
On a side note: Su-57 can perform the cobra manoeuvre. It can also perform another manoeuvre called the Kvochur’s Bell. In top gun maverick, the Su-57 performed it against Tom Cruise's F-14 TOMCAT. See this one:
The Kvochur's bell is a real life manoeuvre though, though I think it bleeds to much Kinetic energy of any aircraft performing it, it's only good for aerobatic displays at airshows, not relevant in today's modern era of aerial combat.
