Sukhoi PAK FA

[gadeshi]

@Armand2REP you are some retard, don't you?
All the "bolts" you see are dzus-like screwed locks on service hatches.
All of them will be covered with dielectric scotch when needed.

Where can you see bolts and rivets?

P.S.: Russian forums have already passed this "rivet-shitting" (zakliopkosrach ) phase 2 years ago

 

[gadeshi]

"Niny" (T-50-9, 1-09) has returned from Akhtubinsk weapons and tactics training center to Zhukovskiy:

One of the Stage-2 airframe under construction:

 

[gadeshi]

T-50-1 (1-01) first flight prototype in its current state:

 

[gadeshi]

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[HarshBardhan]

@gadeshi , what is the source of your Mach 2.1 supercruise speed and M 2.48 top speed? I haven't ever come across such figures. You said phase 2 pakfa have a new stealthy air intake and stealthy fuselage. But I haven't noticed any changes to the inlet design and forward fuselage. And I must add I have been following this program from the very beginning. So will you pls point out those improvements in intake design in the phase 2. When will the phase 2 aircrafts receive full Ram and other stealth treatments?

 

[Kchontha]

Su57 is maturing very fast without its definitive turbofan izdeliye 30 which should be ready for use in 2025. However the Russian AF is not likely to buy more than 60 aircrafts. Critics have suspicion on its stealth capabilities whereas Russian designers have put more emphasis on supermaneuverability than stealth.

 

[gadeshi]

@gadeshi , what is the source of your Mach 2.1 supercruise speed and M 2.48 top speed? I haven't ever come across such figures. You said phase 2 pakfa have a new stealthy air intake and stealthy fuselage. But I haven't noticed any changes to the inlet design and forward fuselage. And I must add I have been following this program from the very beginning. So will you pls point out those improvements in intake design in the phase 2. When will the phase 2 aircrafts receive full Ram and other stealth treatments?

1 - There were VKS commander's interview and inside information about requirements 2.0M for supercruise
2 - There were interview video with Sukhoi testing center engineer (January 2013) that said about "we have even superceded VKS supercruise requirements" and inside about 2.1M
3 - There is a Russian Federation Patent on PAK FA air intake that defines its workability up to 3M (and this can be seen if yo'll draw supersonic chockwave cones apon intake side view drawing)
4 - There is an info that says that construction composites (Obninsk and Kazan composite centers engineers interview) can work up to 2.48M (2650km/h) by temperature restrictions
5 - T-50 cockpit glass is not made of an organic plastic, but 6 to 12 layers of silicat glass (like on MiG-31BM)
6 - 2.48M is MiG-31BM cruise speed, so having an ability to match MiG-31even for a short time for the sake of better interoperability is quite logical for Su-57.

 

[gadeshi]

Su57 is maturing very fast without its definitive turbofan izdeliye 30 which should be ready for use in 2025. However the Russian AF is not likely to buy more than 60 aircrafts. Critics have suspicion on its stealth capabilities whereas Russian designers have put more emphasis on supermaneuverability than stealth.

No.
VKS are exited with Su-57's capabilities (including Stealth).
However there are some technical law levelled aircraft testing, maturing and adoption procedures that require pilot batch of 12 (a squadron) to be built first for real service trials.
The first serial order of 48 planes will be made after all the critical service trials bugs will be fixed.
We are awaiting pilot batch to start service in Akhtubinsk weapons and tactics center in 2019.
The first Su-57 with Item 30 should be flown in 2020.

 

[gadeshi]

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[Kchontha]

Indian version of su57 that is FGFA will be a better combat AC by having a total of 43 improvements including stealth, advanced sensors, networking and combat avionics. Moreover, Russian expertise in titanium structure will be complemented by india's experienced in composites like the fuselage. India is to be contributed largely to composites, cockpits and avionics.

In other words, India's fgfa is a true 5th gen fighter and will be multi role or swing role by incorporating thrust vectoring, supercruising (achieve supersonic cruising speed without using afterburner) and multI sensor integrated avionics. Unfortunately it is still in the pipeline and the only operational 5th gen combat AC is F22 raptor.

 

[gadeshi]

Indian version of su57 that is FGFA will be a better combat AC by having a total of 43 improvements including stealth, advanced sensors, networking and combat avionics. Moreover, Russian expertise in titanium structure will be complemented by india's experienced in composites like the fuselage. India is to be contributed largely to composites, cockpits and avionics.
In other words, India's fgfa is a true 5th gen fighter and will be multi role or swing role by incorporating thrust vectoring, supercruising (achieve supersonic cruising speed without using afterburner) and multI sensor integrated avionics. Unfortunately it is still in the pipeline and the only operational 5th gen combat AC is F22 raptor.

Indians or Frenchies or even Israelis have nothing to contruibute into T-50 project except for mission computers. All the other aspects are inferior than Russians have (including sensors and composites).
Indian version will be twin seater and will incorporate some indigenous hardware/software + Indian weapons.
That's all.

 

[Armand2REP]

Indians or Frenchies or even Israelis have nothing to contruibute into T-50 project except for mission computers. All the other aspects are inferior than Russians have (including sensors and composites).
Indian version will be twin seater and will incorporate some indigenous hardware/software + Indian weapons.
That's all.

You have no idea what Russian components India will strip out and add with 3rd party systems. The MKI has a Sagem INS, Thales Topsight, Tarang RWR, Elta jammer, Elbit HUD, Samtel MDF. Once they rip out the radar and engines for the Super 30 there isn't much left of it that is Russian. With PAK FA's 43 deficiencies they will either pass on it or fill it with 3rd party systems.

 

[gadeshi]

You have no idea what Russian components India will strip out and add with 3rd party systems. The MKI has a Sagem INS, Thales Topsight, Tarang RWR, Elta jammer, Elbit HUD, Samtel MDF. Once they rip out the radar and engines for the Super 30 there isn't much left of it that is Russian. With PAK FA's 43 deficiencies they will either pass on it or fill it with 3rd party systems.

Su-30MKI was 20 years ago when Russian radio-electronics was in harsh circumstances which is no longer so.
Su-30MKI was powerfull but generic heavy fighter without special raquirements to construction materials.

Russians will allow HAL to install anything it wants but it will make FGFA inferior to original Su-57.
The only high level thing is on par with Russians are mission computers.

 

[Armand2REP]

Su-30MKI was 20 years ago when Russian radio-electronics was in harsh circumstances which is no longer so.
Su-30MKI was powerfull but generic heavy fighter without special raquirements to construction materials.

Russians will allow HAL to install anything it wants but it will make FGFA inferior to original Su-57.
The only high level thing is on par with Russians are mission computers.

Russia was strapped for cash 20 years ago. They come begging to India for $6.7 billion now, it still sounds like they are strapped for cash. MKI is powerful because India demanded requirements of the aircraft that couldn't be met by Russian subsystems. The FGFA has 43 deficiencies because they are unable to develop everything they promised India it would have. If they can get the new engines working properly it might be worth picking up if Russia drops the stupid demand for $6.7 billion R&D bill. India is going to need to spend that money on stripping out Russian components and replacing with better ones.

 

[Vijyes]

Russia was strapped for cash 20 years ago. They come begging to India for $6.7 billion now, it still sounds like they are strapped for cash. MKI is powerful because India demanded requirements of the aircraft that couldn't be met by Russian subsystems. The FGFA has 43 deficiencies because they are unable to develop everything they promised India it would have. If they can get the new engines working properly it might be worth picking up if Russia drops the stupid demand for $6.7 billion R&D bill. India is going to need to spend that money on stripping out Russian components and replacing with better ones.

Russian oil production is equivalent to Saudi Arabia and Russia has the largest Natural gas reserves. Russia has iron, coal, alumina, phosphate, copper, titanium, gold, timber etc in abundance. Why on earth would you even consider Russia as cash strapped?

 

[Armand2REP]

Russian oil production is equivalent to Saudi Arabia and Russia has the largest Natural gas reserves. Russia has iron, coal, alumina, phosphate, copper, titanium, gold, timber etc in abundance. Why on earth would you even consider Russia as cash strapped?

Have you seen the price of oil? It isn't very high. Most of OPEC nations will be bankrupt in less than a decade at current rates. Other commodities are also at low prices thanks to China.

 

[Vijyes]

Have you seen the price of oil? It isn't very high. Most of OPEC nations will be bankrupt in less than a decade at current rates. Other commodities are also at low prices thanks to China.

Please keep quiet if you don't understand anything. Don't read useless media reports and come to big conclusions. You don't even know what money is. I can't speak about economics when someone doesn't understand what money is

 

[Armand2REP]

Please keep quiet if you don't understand anything. Don't read useless media reports and come to big conclusions. You don't even know what money is. I can't speak about economics when someone doesn't understand what money is

Very good reply, so how do you explain Russia demanding $6.7 billion to fund development when they have so much cash?

 

[Vijyes]

Very good reply, so how do you explain Russia demanding $6.7 billion to fund development when they have so much cash?

I don't know. Russia is not giving serious ToT for codevelopment either. So, I don't even know what is the logical reason behind such a move. But, I am pretty sure that Russia is not cash strapped as resources = wealth. Russia has all the resources it needs. It has indigenous manufacturing for defence and at the same time has 400 billion + forex to buy other processed goods

 

[Armand2REP]

I don't know. Russia is not giving serious ToT for codevelopment either. So, I don't even know what is the logical reason behind such a move. But, I am pretty sure that Russia is not cash strapped as resources = wealth. Russia has all the resources it needs. It has indigenous manufacturing for defence and at the same time has 400 billion + forex to buy other processed goods

FOREX is for paying trade balances so they don't get screwed in currency dips, not for paying defence budgets. They have a sovereign wealth fund but it has been declining with the low price of oil. Lower revenues, the high cost of nuclear modernisation and replacing the Ukrainian industrial base is eating their defense budgets.

http://www.iiss.org/en/militarybala...edcc/march-f0a5/russias-defence-spending-7de6