Sukhoi PAK FA

[TPFscopes]

Tell this "speculations" to guys on KnAAZ

"KnAAZ" ???
What you want to say?

 

[Tarun Kumar]

I think all this talk of cancelling FGFA is hot air. Although as much as would like that India should terminate it, the sad reality is that ADA , HAL and Private players are no where near achieving 5th gen tech mastery. Best is to negotiate some tech transfer from Russia for our AMCA and deploy 126 FGFA till AMCA does not come through

 

[TPFscopes]

I think all this talk of cancelling FGFA is hot air. Although as much as would like that India should terminate it, the sad reality is that ADA , HAL and Private players are no where near achieving 5th gen tech mastery. Best is to negotiate some tech transfer from Russia for our AMCA and deploy 126 FGFA till AMCA does not come through

India is leaving behind in " STEALTH Coating" only. Not in STEALTH TECHNOLOGY.
For stealthier design, one needs to make design with parallel alignment of edges and surface, which is properly used in AMCA design & next is use of Glass fibre technology , which is also very good in Indiaas we used it in Tejas.
Remaining is integration of avionics and weapons for which others manufacturers are in line.
So, don't call our scientists are lazy and mentally dumb.
INDIA need more and more funds to setup testing facilities and continuous flow of funds for research.

 

[Bahamut]

India is leaving behind in " STEALTH Coating" only. Not in STEALTH TECHNOLOGY.
For stealthier design, one needs to make design with parallel alignment of edges and surface, which is properly used in AMCA design & next is use of Glass fibre technology , which is also very good in Indiaas we used it in Tejas.
Remaining is integration of avionics and weapons for which others manufacturers are in line.
So, don't call our scientists are lazy and mentally dumb.
INDIA need more and more funds to setup testing facilities and continuous flow of funds for research.

What about engine technology,optronics, radar, extreamly precise machinery required to make planes
Read this book to understand the level of technology required
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=8DFA01E8F39F07843BD7B326D089F9D4

 

[gadeshi]

"KnAAZ" ???
What you want to say?

Komsomolsk on Amur Aircraft Factory where all the T- 50 born.

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[gadeshi]

India is leaving behind in " STEALTH Coating" only. Not in STEALTH TECHNOLOGY.
For stealthier design, one needs to make design with parallel alignment of edges and surface, which is properly used in AMCA design & next is use of Glass fibre technology , which is also very good in Indiaas we used it in Tejas.
Remaining is integration of avionics and weapons for which others manufacturers are in line.
So, don't call our scientists are lazy and mentally dumb.
INDIA need more and more funds to setup testing facilities and continuous flow of funds for research.

It is VERY naive sentance, as in the whole, nither in the stealth tech understanding part in particular.

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[IndianHawk]

What about engine technology,optronics, radar, extreamly precise machinery required to make planes
Read this book to understand the level of technology required
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=8DFA01E8F39F07843BD7B326D089F9D4

Russians are also lacking in all the things mentioned above. IAF has been very vocal about shortcomings of PAKFA / FGFA.

We should then junk this deal and buy some f35 directly from USA .

We are not getting any technology anyway atleast we'll get a proper 5th gen Birdy:biggrin2:

 

[AbRaj]

India is leaving behind in " STEALTH Coating" only. Not in STEALTH TECHNOLOGY.
For stealthier design, one needs to make design with parallel alignment of edges and surface, which is properly used in AMCA design & next is use of Glass fibre technology , which is also very good in Indiaas we used it in Tejas.
Remaining is integration of avionics and weapons for which others manufacturers are in line.
So, don't call our scientists are lazy and mentally dumb.
INDIA need more and more funds to setup testing facilities and continuous flow of funds for research.

We have a "keyboard scientist" here.
Who specialise in posting poorly edited videos on YouTube.
Let's make tejas great ,again.

 

[Bahamut]

Russians are also lacking in all the things mentioned above. IAF has been very vocal about shortcomings of PAKFA / FGFA.

We should then junk this deal and buy some f35 directly from USA .

We are not getting any technology anyway atleast we'll get a proper 5th gen Birdy:biggrin2:

What do you mean, have you even seen the performance parameters of item 30? Do you even know what technology is used in PAK FA radar or what it options are

 

[Bahamut]

Russians are also lacking in all the things mentioned above. IAF has been very vocal about shortcomings of PAKFA / FGFA.

We should then junk this deal and buy some f35 directly from USA .

We are not getting any technology anyway atleast we'll get a proper 5th gen Birdy:biggrin2:

What do you mean, have you even seen the performance parameters of item 30? Do you even know what technology is used in PAK FA radar or what technology optronics uses

 

[TPFscopes]

We have a "keyloved scientist" here.
Who specialise in posting poorly edited videos on YouTube.
Let's make tejas great ,again.

Do you have anything better?
If your answer is "No" than I love see you SILENT
Good Day

 

[MrPresident]

I guess everyone here agrees, US is one country is leading in 5th Gen tech which has experience in building aircraft for over 70 years and already built industrial base with utmost funding and they are struggling to build a 5th gen aircraft. Considering all these how can we expect Indian aerospace industry to build a world beating 5th gen aircraft without any help.

Working with Russians on FGFA is the best possible idea on the table right now, no country will give away there hard earned tech to any one for any amount of money. Russia is being reasonable than any other nation till now (except may be France or Israel), hopefully we can negotiate and get more know how of some tech for AMCA.

 

[square]

These all are speculations only depends on MoU.
If we signed the deal in April'17 than we may receive our first FGFA Prototype by end of 2019 or early 2020

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02/exclusive-indias-5th-gen-amca-targets-2030.html

fgfa with russia is almost dead , focus is on amca....

 

[bhramos]

new pic http://russianplanes.net/id207031

 

[gadeshi]

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02/exclusive-indias-5th-gen-amca-targets-2030.html

fgfa with russia is almost dead , focus is on amca....

And prepare to fail or finish it in 2050

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[bhramos]

And prepare to fail or finish it in 2050

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he is correct, India will never buy T-50 PAKFA, as current Government is Pro-USA, and will only buy US products... may be go for F-35 in Future...

 

[gadeshi]

he is correct, India will never buy T-50 PAKFA, as current Government is Pro-USA, and will only buy US products... may be go for F-35 in Future...

As I said earlier, Russians will not spend their breath arguing on this program.
Want to buy F-35? Arrigt, it's your right.
However you will live the next 50 years with the consequences of this choice.
Meanwhile US Govt is getting ready to triple encrease G6 fighter R&D program expenses (try to guess why ).

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[gadeshi]

More T-50-8 (1-08) Stage-II airframe testbed photos:

 

[gadeshi]

And T-50 fast side bays missile launch scheme:

 

[Rchauhan]

As I said earlier, Russians will not spend their breath arguing on this program.
Want to buy F-35? Arrigt, it's your right.
However you will live the next 50 years with the consequences of this choice.
Meanwhile US Govt is getting ready to triple encrease G6 fighter R&D program expenses (try to guess why ).

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You speak as if You will be taking the decision on the behalf of Russian Govt ,,,,,,,, This is Modi My Friend not any tom , dick , Harry or Manmohan whom You were able to easily scare away ..... This is a game of negotiations not emotions .... Russia will lose it in the end ,,, You have no idea what a Gujarati is capable of